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Sleepy Freud's avatar

TPMLE = Easy Al

SloMo TPE = Goga ($8.3M)

JK S/T = Herb ($13.9M)

Vet min = Dame (edit: and/or Melton)

Get ‘er Dun!

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VigilanteSteve's avatar

Using the TPE would hard cap us at the first apron. It will likely just expire.

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Sleepy Freud's avatar

Ah, good point. But we're currently $25M under the first apron. Couldn't we stay under it (or pretty close) if we added just Goga, Herb, and Al? Might have to lose Moody in the Herb Jones deal...?

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TwoRingTest's avatar

Don't want Dame. He'll be 35 in two weeks, so he'll be over 36 by the time he *might* be able to play again.

Chances are his quickness will be diminished. If he can't get separation, then he'll probably just be a long-distance bomber. And, his defense was questionable before the injury.

edit:

Wet blanket time: I think the Pelicans are well above the 1st apron, so they can't take an S&T player.

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Sleepy Freud's avatar

Sounds good. Let’s do Melton in place of Dame?

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TwoRingTest's avatar

I was just looking at the Pels roster and they have Lester ... lets bring him back, too. :)

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AttilaTheHun's avatar

Pass.

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TwoRingTest's avatar

Of the two, I'd prefer Melton.

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Sleepy Freud's avatar

Just wanted to underline GreenDray’s excellent suggestion of GOGA, below.

Six players finished in the top 30 last season in Rim Protection and Defensive Rebounding:

Victor Wembanyama

Jarrett Allen

Ivica Zubac

Anthony Davis

Goga Bitadze

Isaiah Hartenstein

Could be had with the $8.8M SloMo trade exception; and Orlando is up against tax hell, has WCJ in place, and may want to re-sign Franz’s brother Mo.

GO GET GOGA, Mike!

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2dEdited

I like the idea - some details:

- Besides Goga, only 1 other C on roster (Wendell Jr.)

- Mo Wagner tore ACL last December, not likely to be ready at start of season (boo)

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Chasing Ring5 💍's avatar

So Loon, farewell,

Auf Wiedersehen, goodbye.

I am, so sad, I cannot tell a lie...

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Ando's avatar

The sun,

has gone,

to bed and so must I.

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TwoRingTest's avatar

I'm having a hard time figuring out the mechanism by which we get Horford.

Does it depend on him being willing to take the TPMLE?

I was trying to think about a S&T with JK, but Boston doesn't want to take on salary. So, would the Nets sign Horford for the S&T?

Hoping it's the TPMLE, because I think we could keep JK in that scenario (we wouldn't be hardcapped at the first apron level, so we could go above that to sign JK and fill the other remaining roster slots).

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AttilaTheHun's avatar

It is a knotty problem. Since Horford is UFA, to get him directly from Boston would require a S&T, which would hard-cap us at the first apron. But if we were willing and able to do that, and if Horford would sign for something like $8.78M (he got $9.5M this past season), I'd suggest using our SloMo trade exception, which I think would get us there. That's one reason I asked about the TE earlier.

That way Boston would save salary, and we wouldn't have to give up talent. We'd deal with JK separately.

However, while I haven't run the numbers, it seems like it would be pretty hard for us to make things work at the first apron. Just for starters we might not be able to offer JK more than the QO, which means we could be easily outbid for him. Then again, we'd have Horford.

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>>>Both the Warriors and Kuminga's representation were prepared for the 22-year-old forward's restricted free agency to develop slowly, given that the Brooklyn Nets were the only team that entered the market with ample salary cap space to make a bid.

On one hand, then, it is difficult to see where an offer sheet might come from, raising the possibility, league sources say, of Kuminga re-signing with the Warriors on a short-term deal.

On the other hand ... There are four primary teams, sources say, that have to be tracked thanks to varying levels of past and current sign-and-trade interest in Kuminga.

The Miami Heat are an oft-mentioned potential Kuminga suitor and do have a clear need on the wing between All-Star guard Tyler Herro and All-Defensive Team big man Bam Adebayo.

Kuminga would certainly represent a younger, higher-upside target for the Heat. The issue, of course, is the presumed $30 million-per-season price point. That is where Kuminga has been trying to land since the rookie-scale contract extension window that closed in October on the night before the regular season began.

Chicago, New Orleans and Sacramento are three more teams routinely suggested as possible landing spots for Kuminga, but pinpointing significant traction with any of them in these early stages of free agency has been difficult.

The Warriors, though, appear to have moved away from past trade interest they previously registered in veteran Bulls center Nikola Vučević, which might have helped spark something this summer.

I've confirmed that the Pelicans hold an interest in Kuminga, but various team salary cap experts have pointed out to me that New Orleans has no easy route to take Kuminga on its books at his desired contract range.

Sources say that Sacramento, meanwhile, would be interested in including Malik Monk in any outgoing trade package, but nothing substantial has materialized with the Warriors.<<<

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-hottest-and-freshest-nba-free?r=1m9zg&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

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vignette17's avatar

I'm not against Monk, but my top two targets are Ellis and Keegan. You could do all three: Ellis, Keegan, and Monk for JK and Moody. It would solve so many problems.

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ServantOfLuna's avatar

Recap of day 2 of free agency:

-Kings trade Jonas Valanciunas to the Nuggets for Dario Saric.

-Bucks trade Pat Connaughton and two 2nd round picks for Vasilije Micic.

-Pistons get Duncan Robinson and Heat get Simone Fontecchio on a sign-and-trade.

-Thunder extend SGA.

-Kings sign Dennis Schroder and Drew Eubanks.

-Knicks sign Guershon Yabusele.

-Bucks sign Myles Turner, Gary Harris, and Jericho Sims.

-Raptors keep Jakob Poeltl. They sign Sandro Mamukelashvili.

-Celtics sign Josh Minott.

-Nuggets sign Tim Hardaway Jr..

-Hornets keep Tre Mann.

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chickentendielife's avatar

There seems to be some confusion on the base compensation rate and trades. I'll try to give some high level explanations that hopefully clarifies (and ignore some of the catches.)

There is a rule called the 'expanded traded player exception amount' that applies to trades where both teams are below the 1st apron. This amount is $8,527,000 for this season. The amount was announced yesterday, last season it was a bit less.

While Kuminga's salary counts as 'half' for purposes of the Warriors trading out, that doesn't mean the Warriors can only take back half of his contract. It means they can take back half + 8.5 million.

So if Kuminga signs for 28 million, the Warriors can take back 14 + 8.5 million = 22.5 million. But keep in mind, this applies both ways. So the other team (let's say the Bulls in this scenario) trade Vucevic (salary 21.4 million), it's 21.4 million + 8.5 million = 29.9 million.

So the trade works.

In another example, if Kuminga signs for 20 million...

10 + 8.5 = 18.5

20 - 8.5 = 11.5

So in this case, the Warriors can trade Kuminga at 20 million for a player making between 11.5 and 18.5 million.

Now the caveat - virtually any sign and trade for Kuminga will likely cause them to use the expanded trade player exception, which hard caps them at the 1st apron.

The final point I'd add is that if the Warriors plan to sign Kuminga with the idea to consider moving him at the deadline, they likely want to sign him for the highest possible amount that keeps them under the 2nd apron (factoring all other moves - like adding a stretch big). My ballpark is this number is somewhere around 25-27 million.

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DFiB's avatar

Woah... this is very impactful for a JK S&T! So, we could trade him for almost equivalent salary. Very interesting...

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TwoRingTest's avatar

> The final point I'd add is that if the Warriors plan to sign Kuminga with the idea to consider moving him at the deadline, they likely want to sign him for the highest possible amount that keeps them under the 2nd apron

I would differ with this. The more Kuminga's contract is, the harder he will be to move.

I think the ideal thing is to sign Kuminga cheaply, hold him to the trade deadline. If he outplays his contract, just keep him.

If not, the $15 - $20 mil Kuminga probably would end up with is a big enough number to be useful in a trade for another player. And having him on a cheaper contract makes him more attractive to the team we're trying to dump him on (personally, I hope it doesn't come to that).

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chickentendielife's avatar

So, the problem with that strategy, in my view, is that when you get over the first apron, you can't take back more salary than you trade out and the Warriors don't really have a collection of mid-tier contracts they'd want to trade out.

So from a trade standpoint, you limit your flexibility to acquire a higher salary player the lower his salary goes.

It's just sorta the weird quirk of cap implications. It's the same reason I still see a path to GP2 returning, because they can pay him more than they can pay someone from the outside without getting capped at the 1st apron, which gives them about 10 million more to spend.

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TwoRingTest's avatar

It's a fair point.

My own feeling is that overpaying players is death. Those contracts are hard to move.

I guess we'll see which way the Dubs go in about a week.

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AttilaTheHun's avatar

I agree about overpaying players. In the case of the Dubs, the team is also financially top-heavy, with three expensive older players who are likely to be injured part of the season. We need depth, which probably means we can't afford to pay for another expensive player, although I suppose it depends on how we define "expensive."

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Loon Gehrig's avatar

Wow, Spotrac doesn't miss lol, their trade machine already added that exact amount earlier today, thanks for the explanation, it seemed a bit random (and illegal to go over $7.5 mil).

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WCoastD's avatar

Thanks for explaining. Is there a minimum # of years Kuminga has to be signed for in these scenarios?

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ForeverFoyled's avatar

Sign and trade must be for 3+ years, I believe.

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AttilaTheHun's avatar

While you're at it... don't the Warriors also still have a trade exception from the SloMo deal? Doing this from memory I think it's something like $8M. So how and when can that be used?

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chickentendielife's avatar

The Warriors do have this trade exception but since it was generated last season, it hard caps them at the 1st apron if they use it (they also have a small one for Lindy Waters III), so I think it's unlikely they end up using it unless they've already hard capped themselves at the 1st apron in some other manner.

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ForeverFoyled's avatar

https://x.com/warriorsworld/status/1923113799847931944

The SloMo exemption could be used to get someone <= 8.78m without sending salary back. It can't be aggregated with another player though, so it can't be used to directly get someone above that salary.

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AttilaTheHun's avatar

Thanks! So there's a possible source of help if someone wants to dump salary with a player who could be useful to us.

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GreenDray's avatar

Someone like Goga Bitadze, who makes 8.3M.

The top-7 guys of Orlando's payroll are 5 guys at 6'10" or bigger, plus Bane and Jalen Suggs.

Goga is number 8, and the team is 4.3M under the first apron with two more roster spots to fill to get to 14.

Goga's gotta go!

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Sleepy Freud's avatar

LOVE this suggestion!

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AttilaTheHun's avatar

I only saw a few Magic games this past season but he looked pretty decent, and it beats wasting the TE. I didn't see enough of him to get a strong feeling about it either way.

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GreenDray's avatar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_d4P2iEjBQ

Converts lobs, screens, passes, blocks shots. More hops than Loon for sure.

I think he's popular with the Magic, so we'd have to add a decent sweetener most likely.

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ServantOfLuna's avatar

>>>[Bodner] Eric Gordon is back with the Sixers on a 1-year minimum salary contract, I'm told, which drops his cap hit from the $3.47m he was scheduled to earn if he picked up his player option down to the $2.296m pro-rated veterans minimum.<<<

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lpkux5/bodner_eric_gordon_is_back_with_the_sixers_on_a/

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ServantOfLuna's avatar

Moves made by Pacific Division teams so far:

Warriors: Lost Looney.

Lakers: Lost Finney-Smith. Kept Lebron. Added LaRavia.

Clippers: Lost Eubanks. Kept Batum and Harden. Added Brook Lopez.

Kings: Lost LaRavia and Valanciunas. Added Schroder, Saric, and Eubanks.

Suns: Lost Durant, Micic, Jones, and Plumlee. Kept Gillespie. Added Jalen Green, D. Brooks, and M. Williams.

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GreenDray's avatar

If I were a betting man (and I am most definitely not), I'd put a significant amount of money on the bet that at least 4 out of the next 5 Western Conference champions will be from the east side of the Rockies. The Pacific Division's job is to try to get past the play-in round.

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Loon Gehrig's avatar

Suns at least had a good draft night(s)

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Andy Lee's avatar

That list makes us sound like free agency winners, at least compared to the bottom two on the list.

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ServantOfLuna's avatar

It feels like the Lakers, Suns, and Kings lost more than they gained in the offseason so far. DFS is a better role player than LaRavia even though DFS is older; Suns lost Durant, which is a huge loss for them; and...uh, I dunno what the Kings are doing other than trying to get past the play-ins.

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Captain Jack's avatar

If we don't re-sign JK first I feel like once we hear about a Giddey extension/ S&T or Sacramento moving off Derozan things would really start to get going

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WCoastD's avatar
2dEdited

Was just listening to Real Ones. Logan Murdock says that Lacob has gotten more and more involved in front office decision making, esp since Bob left. And he holds on too tight because he never wants to be wrong. To me, it does not bode well for another championship. Let the professionals you hire do their jobs, Joe! It’s so arrogant.

30:53 (it might open to that)

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3cDDmf4Oc6TngBJD2GX42w?si=3SR2kABiTDWZOlS1mJdAPQ&context=spotify%3Ashow%3A5jUeKBONOmKJivqrRoIDJn&t=1853

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fotd's avatar

All I know is that my NBA team absolutely sucked for DECADES until Joe rescued us from Chris Cohan. I’m willing to cut him slack.

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belilaugh's avatar

I mean Murdock was definitely around the team for awhile and clearly has connections including with Steve Kerr. I don't think people should completely dismiss what he's saying just because it is worrisome.

But for now it's not something I'm paying attention to. Post-Steph years I fear it could dramatically rise in relevance, especially if his son keeps climbing the ladder.

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WCoastD's avatar
2dEdited

Pardon me, whose son? Do you mean Kirk Lacob? Now that Nick Kerr is on staff with Steve, there are a lot of sons climbing ladders in that place.

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Loofus's avatar

He was referring to Canon.

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WCoastD's avatar

Good one

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Mr.Plow's avatar

We're so likely to suck in the post-Steph era that I dont think it matters how much ownership meddling goes on

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Abaddon's avatar

I dismiss what he says because I feel like he is often talking out of his ass, bluntly.

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belilaugh's avatar

As long as it can be acknowledged that he has connections with the Warriors and isn't some random media member

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Abaddon's avatar

I don’t often find LM very knowledgeable about Warriors stuff but he acts like he is. YMMV.

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WCoastD's avatar

He sounds so convincing!

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BayesGT's avatar

Reads like pretty clear engagement bait to me tbh. Don’t think there’s any evidence to suggest that Dunleavy’s been unable to make moves because of Lacob.

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Chadara's avatar

Well, from my perspective ... he should be unable to make certain high $$ moves without the boss who is paying out the $$ giving his OK.

They seem like they have had a pretty good understanding of all of that so far.

I'll trust them to work as a team (and hopefully with Steve Kerr's input) for what is best for GSW.

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Sleepy Freud's avatar

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Dunleavy pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious...

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oxymyron's avatar

SAVE FERRIS!

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ServantOfLuna's avatar

>>>[Ohm Youngmisuk] Clippers would be interested in acquiring Bradley Beal if he were to be bought out<<<

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lpj9kk/ohm_youngmisuk_clippers_would_be_interested_in/

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belilaugh's avatar

The Beal buyout is going to happen imo

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AttilaTheHun's avatar

It seems likely unless the Suns have already worked out a trade Beal will accept and are waiting for everything to line up. Otherwise why trade for Jalen Green?

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TwoRingTest's avatar

I find that amazing, but after Dame, you're probably right. Ishbia has certainly signaled that he's going to be an aggressive owner.

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SabWrites's avatar

After they tell him to stay home next season.

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Focaccia Homer's avatar

I hope she's okay.

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ServantOfLuna's avatar

Looks like she broke her fall with her wrist. She's clutching her wrist at the end of the video. Hope she's fine.

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SabWrites's avatar

I hope we get an update.

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Ty's avatar

Was she wearing a #0 jersey?

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Sleepy Freud's avatar

Ugh. Sounds like she was injured, hopefully not too badly. Get well soon, Red Panda!!!

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WCoastD's avatar

Heal up soon, Red Panda!

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Captain Jack's avatar

Looks like Marc Spears reported we have interested in Dame. The last time we had a guard coming off a torn achilles we won the championship that year so #WGBC 2027 if we land Dame?

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TwoRingTest's avatar

If there is one guy who has job security in this league, it's Celebrini. If we acquire Horford and Dame, they may need to open a new wing to expand the medical facilities.

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Loon Gehrig's avatar

"[Haynes] Memphis Grizzlies star Jaren Jackson Jr. sustained a turf toe injury while playing off-site of the team’s facility and will require a surgical procedure. No recovery timeline established yet."

:(

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belilaugh's avatar

At least it wasn't a low speed moped accident

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Sleepy Freud's avatar

or a unicycle accident 😞

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fzwinter's avatar

Too soon :)

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void's avatar

hey man, if you're gonna hurt yourself better it be 1 day after your massive extension than 1 day before

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Shawyer's avatar

At least he wasn't riding a moped like Monta

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Ty's avatar

I *think* they could technically back out, nothing has been officially signed yet. I don’t think they will, but if it was something like an Achilles injury they definitely would.

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void's avatar

yah what they probably can't do is renegotiate given their new-found leverage as it would be in incredibly poor taste. But I imagine if this had happened before the contract he would have lost 10s of millions of dollars over it.

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KlaysPaperAirplanes's avatar

Dame Lillard just got waived by the Bucks to sign Myles Turner? I am so confused.

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ChemKoala's avatar

Dame is out for the year and they just lost Brooks. Myles Turner is both not injured for the year and better than their former tall-dude-who-shoots-3s

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KlaysPaperAirplanes's avatar

This is so low for player of Dame's caliber. I don't believe this has been done before.

Maybe now, Sixers can waive Paul George or Embid.

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TwoRingTest's avatar

I mean, Dame's getting paid his whole contract, basically $100 million to do nothing at all, AND he can sign a new contract when he's well enough to play.

Hurt me some more.

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AttilaTheHun's avatar

And because he made his pile in the buyout, he can sign for cheap and probably have his choice of teams.

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SabWrites's avatar

Dame seems okay with it and his contract will be stretched over 5 years.

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fzwinter's avatar

So essentially, the Bucks will be paying Turner $49 million/year (his $27 million plus Dame's $22 million). And Dame's salary will remain on the books for the Bucks for cap purposes for the next five years.

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AttilaTheHun's avatar

Yes but if they had kept Dame, they'd have paid him $55M to rehab next year, and they couldn't afford to bring in talent like Turner. So they're basically blowing off $55M (since $55M was already a sunk cost), which is a pretty big "ouch" but stretching it all out lets them at least attempt to keep Giannis happy.

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TwoRingTest's avatar

It's also a bet that Dame isn't really going to be Dame post-Achilles when he comes back, which strikes me as quite likely.

I think it's a smart and incredibly ballsy thing of Milwaukee to do.

Probably the whole contract is a sunk cost, and you need to keep Giannis happy, so just waiting and hoping might have been worse.

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KlaysPaperAirplanes's avatar

This will only work if Giannis is happy enough to stay. Disaster if he leaves anyway.

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