My son played under 14 Basketball with the Magic pick - Tristan da Silva - here in Munich. Cool! I still remember Tristan as a kid - and now he is a 6.9 NBA player. My son has quit playing organized basketball at around 17 years, so no moving to the US as a NBA mom for me. 😜
In my household, rookie-year Jordan Poole was known as Buggin' Out, based on both appearance and on-court demeanor. Briefly he matured into clean cut, killer, 'Breaking Bad' Giancarlo Esposito, before sadly reverting.
There is one other impact player the Warriors could go after but I think it will be very difficult for them to fit him into this financial minefield they have going for them. DeMar DeRozan. A 24ppg SG that would slip into Wiggins role very easily and surpass him. However, he is a FA and there won't be any sign and trade for him, I think. He may even take less money if he's coming to a team with a solid core. He's not on the level of PG but he's not very far off and would make a good fit for our Dubs. Anyone come up with a plan to fit him in here?
Umm, no, and perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions why I post what I post?
It would basically be like me saying you usually post negative stuff because you are a negative person.
What you're saying is that Wiggs was bad the last two years, which I already knew. But, we both are aware of what he did in the 2022 season, when he was an *elite* on-ball defender. And, even in the last two seasons, where he was bad overall, he's had some stretches of really good defense.
So, there's a chance he can get back to that. That's the root of my post.
Your point about his stats is certainly valid, of course. Can he get back to being a plus player, at least on D? Who knows. We know Derozan is unlikely to do it.
DeRozan's consistency is something to be proud of. Perhaps you should checkout his Basketball Reference stats for the last couple of years and his career stats. This is someone who makes a consistent impact for his team. He hasn't lost much unlike Wiggs. It would have helped him if he had played for better teams than he has, but I think he would be a fit here.
Wiggins was a -2.5BPM last season, TS% .544, and -0.5 BPM the season before.
DD was +1.5BPM last season, .584TS%, and +2.0BPM the season before.
Wiggins has a negative career BPM. DD has a positive BPM. Wiggins has twice the negative Defensive career BPM than DD. Somehow, I think DeRozan is by far the better player and his stats show it. Wiggins has fallen on his face the last 2 seasons and has hurt us more than any other player on this team.
For Saric? What do you mean? DeRozen is a scoring wing but not a 3-pt shooter, though his FT % is good and he gets a fair number of assists. If anything he'd take Kuminga's minutes. But you're right, he's not a particularly good defender.
He's way beyond Kuminga at this stage. Not saying that JK couldn't develop, but I wouldn't compare him to JK. His natural position is SF but he can play 2,3, & 4.
Aside from the blockbuster Knicks/Brooklyn trade, this is the least exciting draft day I can remember. I can understand why the pundits termed it one of the weakest drafts in memory. Lots of young kids with very little college experience jumping into the real world. This is where the GM evaluations will let teams know if their guy has much worth. MDJ earned his wings last season. If he does it again with this group, he'll be crowned GENIUS, and be called 'MASTER' by the Warrior cognizenti. I await with great anticipation.
Paul George is trying to leverage the Warriors potential interest in him to convince the Clippers into giving him a max? That happened today, it's been kinda interesting...
The Bucks are screwed... Portis makes $14M less than Wiggins, and the Bucks have basically nobody else signed. They'd have to trade Portis, Connaughton, Beauchamp, and one of their other dudes, and then convince themselves that a core of Giannis/Dame/Middleton/BroLo/Wiggins surrounded by rookies and vet min guys is a good idea... it's not.
It's not what we think that's important to Milwaukee. The Warriors have done a similar thing in the past and have had success. It all depends who they can sign up for those vet mins. Giannis, Dame, Middleton, are a super core if they all play their game successfully. They are one of the few teams with a tripartite core of worth in the league. Not saying they are the best but it's a start. I'm not convinced that they will give up all that for Wiggs.
Regarding PG, where are you getting your info from?
Right. But we really don't know what is in his mind. He's under contract with the Clipps and they seem to want him back which means we would have to make a more attractive offer and I don't think Lacob steps up with the amount of debt he's already looking at. Sleight of hand is always possible in these situations but I think it is a real long shot that he comes here. Of course I would welcome him.
I couldn’t glean the likelihood of his staying a. Knick from Posting and Toasting. But I did learn that for some reason everyone there writes “IHart” instead of “Hart.”
Nah no front office would ever be willing to risk their relationship with Clutch and respective clients on account of a player who wouldn’t sniff getting drafted if he wasn’t Brons son.
An incredibly unfortunate consequence of NBA Draft's new 2-day format: Multiple green room invitees sat through the entire first round at Barclays Center (3+ hours) and were not picked.
They must now wait until Thursday's second round, which will be held in an ESPN TV studio.
That must be such a letdown. Going home tonight and trying to get some sleep must be so stressful. As much as I’m sure all of these kids have a lot of confidence in themselves, having two nights before the draft instead of just one night sounds rough.
Also, I wonder if they’ll feel like they “need” to wear an entirely different outfit for tomorrow’s draft.
Adam Silver, "With the 498th pick of the draft, the Golden State Warriors select -- wait, is anyone still here? Is anyone listening? Hello? Is this mic on?"
DNHQ, in the voice of Whoville: "we r here, we r here"
BOS grabs Baylor Scheierman at #30 to end the first round. Justifying my decision to boot Baylor from our Tourney for rocketing too far up the draft charts.
Dillon Jones is the only Tourneyman drafted in the 1st round.
The top remaining picks according to Wasserman and Vecenie are
I just got here. Why is France suddenly good at basketball? When I was a kid they stayed in their lane, playing soccer like good Europeans. They got the first and second pick this year, they got Gobert and who am I missing? Oh yeah Wembanyama. Sacre bleu!
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It's why I'm here.
My son played under 14 Basketball with the Magic pick - Tristan da Silva - here in Munich. Cool! I still remember Tristan as a kid - and now he is a 6.9 NBA player. My son has quit playing organized basketball at around 17 years, so no moving to the US as a NBA mom for me. 😜
Wizards drafted a guy named Carlton. Thus, the obligatory:
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I expected Carlton to get invited to the big dance. It's not unusual for someone with that talent. :)
Lolz. My friends and I used to think Billy Owens looked like Carlton (and call him Carlton),
Ha, I can see it.
In my household, rookie-year Jordan Poole was known as Buggin' Out, based on both appearance and on-court demeanor. Briefly he matured into clean cut, killer, 'Breaking Bad' Giancarlo Esposito, before sadly reverting.
There is one other impact player the Warriors could go after but I think it will be very difficult for them to fit him into this financial minefield they have going for them. DeMar DeRozan. A 24ppg SG that would slip into Wiggins role very easily and surpass him. However, he is a FA and there won't be any sign and trade for him, I think. He may even take less money if he's coming to a team with a solid core. He's not on the level of PG but he's not very far off and would make a good fit for our Dubs. Anyone come up with a plan to fit him in here?
If he's willing to play for an MLE, then fine ... basically a scoring replacement for Saric.
Otherwise, no way. He couldn't replace Wiggs on-ball defense, which is probably Wiggs' most important role now.
You're believing what other fans write. Not true. Nothing in Wiggins stats prove this.
Umm, no, and perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions why I post what I post?
It would basically be like me saying you usually post negative stuff because you are a negative person.
What you're saying is that Wiggs was bad the last two years, which I already knew. But, we both are aware of what he did in the 2022 season, when he was an *elite* on-ball defender. And, even in the last two seasons, where he was bad overall, he's had some stretches of really good defense.
So, there's a chance he can get back to that. That's the root of my post.
Your point about his stats is certainly valid, of course. Can he get back to being a plus player, at least on D? Who knows. We know Derozan is unlikely to do it.
DeRozan's consistency is something to be proud of. Perhaps you should checkout his Basketball Reference stats for the last couple of years and his career stats. This is someone who makes a consistent impact for his team. He hasn't lost much unlike Wiggs. It would have helped him if he had played for better teams than he has, but I think he would be a fit here.
I don't think I said otherwise. On an MLE, I think he'd be OK. But, it would be more for his offense, not his D.
That would be a no brainer for us, and an incredible gift from DD. Realistic? Only if no one else wants him...........
Wiggins was a -2.5BPM last season, TS% .544, and -0.5 BPM the season before.
DD was +1.5BPM last season, .584TS%, and +2.0BPM the season before.
Wiggins has a negative career BPM. DD has a positive BPM. Wiggins has twice the negative Defensive career BPM than DD. Somehow, I think DeRozan is by far the better player and his stats show it. Wiggins has fallen on his face the last 2 seasons and has hurt us more than any other player on this team.
For Saric? What do you mean? DeRozen is a scoring wing but not a 3-pt shooter, though his FT % is good and he gets a fair number of assists. If anything he'd take Kuminga's minutes. But you're right, he's not a particularly good defender.
He's way beyond Kuminga at this stage. Not saying that JK couldn't develop, but I wouldn't compare him to JK. His natural position is SF but he can play 2,3, & 4.
just scoring. I wasn't implying he was a shooter, just a scorer who could play with the second unit (say).
Yes, we need solid scoring badly if we want to contend.
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Aside from the blockbuster Knicks/Brooklyn trade, this is the least exciting draft day I can remember. I can understand why the pundits termed it one of the weakest drafts in memory. Lots of young kids with very little college experience jumping into the real world. This is where the GM evaluations will let teams know if their guy has much worth. MDJ earned his wings last season. If he does it again with this group, he'll be crowned GENIUS, and be called 'MASTER' by the Warrior cognizenti. I await with great anticipation.
Anyone heard more about the Wiggs/Portis trade?
I'll pass on calling someone MASTER after winning 3 coin flips.
No big deal.
Paul George is trying to leverage the Warriors potential interest in him to convince the Clippers into giving him a max? That happened today, it's been kinda interesting...
The Bucks are screwed... Portis makes $14M less than Wiggins, and the Bucks have basically nobody else signed. They'd have to trade Portis, Connaughton, Beauchamp, and one of their other dudes, and then convince themselves that a core of Giannis/Dame/Middleton/BroLo/Wiggins surrounded by rookies and vet min guys is a good idea... it's not.
It's not what we think that's important to Milwaukee. The Warriors have done a similar thing in the past and have had success. It all depends who they can sign up for those vet mins. Giannis, Dame, Middleton, are a super core if they all play their game successfully. They are one of the few teams with a tripartite core of worth in the league. Not saying they are the best but it's a start. I'm not convinced that they will give up all that for Wiggs.
Regarding PG, where are you getting your info from?
> Regarding PG, where are you getting your info from?
Educated guess... all the good agents are leaking all sorts of stuff to the media...
Right. But we really don't know what is in his mind. He's under contract with the Clipps and they seem to want him back which means we would have to make a more attractive offer and I don't think Lacob steps up with the amount of debt he's already looking at. Sleight of hand is always possible in these situations but I think it is a real long shot that he comes here. Of course I would welcome him.
> He's under contract with the Clipps
He’s an unrestricted free agent with a one-year player option.
According to spotrac, he is a FA next year.
I already forgot the name of the number 1 pick.
Yeah it's one of those Fancy-Dan French names. Everybody knows you can't tell those Frenchmen apart; they all look the same. 😉
I think it was Zaguette D'Arcy. His bored look of disdain is lethal from anywhere past half-court.
They should have drafted D'Artagnan. He's an excellent slasher, a very good point of attack defender, and he's a winner.
Robespierre.
He's a great cutter.
If only Gui were French ... "the gui-llotine" would be such a great nickname.
Robespierre committed more flagrant fouls than Draymond.
Sounds like he’d be a pretty good addition to a big 3.
Exactly. He's not a #1 but he could develop into that. High floor, high ceiling.
Yeah French players are the new trend.
So I guess our Hartenstein dream is … alive?
I couldn’t glean the likelihood of his staying a. Knick from Posting and Toasting. But I did learn that for some reason everyone there writes “IHart” instead of “Hart.”
Hoops blogs are all benign cults, lol.
What would we give the Knicks? It would be an S&T, and it sounds like they don't want salary back (my understanding is they can't afford him).
So, it sounds like they need a below-the-cap team to take him to make it a trade (i.e., not us) ... unless it's some big, multi-team trade I guess?
It would have to be another one of my “clear cap space” specials involving dumping Wiggs, Dray, Loon, and/or GP2.
Ah, gotcha. Plus CP3 and Klay would need to be dumped.
I forgot that you had some posts exploring that route.
You trying to tell me Dream Shake is benign?
Instaboner is anything but benign
Presumably to differentiate vs JHart?
I could also see how IHart lends itself to puns for folks who were optimistic about him early on
Ah, makes sense, thanks!
So LBJ’s kid didn’t get drafted. Cooler heads prevail. Are LeBron and Bronnie upset?
Lynda Bird Johnson turned 80 this year - I know it's a weak draft, but she's probably not going to improve much at this age.
Her old man loved the draft.
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Lakers will probably take him with their 57th pick if he's still on the board.
There’s a whole second day left for that to happen…
I’m pretty sure he’s Lakers or bust (more likely AND bust)
Unless some other team holds him hostage just to fuck with the Lakers.
Nah no front office would ever be willing to risk their relationship with Clutch and respective clients on account of a player who wouldn’t sniff getting drafted if he wasn’t Brons son.
An incredibly unfortunate consequence of NBA Draft's new 2-day format: Multiple green room invitees sat through the entire first round at Barclays Center (3+ hours) and were not picked.
They must now wait until Thursday's second round, which will be held in an ESPN TV studio.
https://x.com/BenGolliver/status/1806164328808083805
one more hotel stay with the buffet that the NBA pays for at least.
That must be such a letdown. Going home tonight and trying to get some sleep must be so stressful. As much as I’m sure all of these kids have a lot of confidence in themselves, having two nights before the draft instead of just one night sounds rough.
Also, I wonder if they’ll feel like they “need” to wear an entirely different outfit for tomorrow’s draft.
Adam Silver, "With the 498th pick of the draft, the Golden State Warriors select -- wait, is anyone still here? Is anyone listening? Hello? Is this mic on?"
DNHQ, in the voice of Whoville: "we r here, we r here"
BOS grabs Baylor Scheierman at #30 to end the first round. Justifying my decision to boot Baylor from our Tourney for rocketing too far up the draft charts.
Dillon Jones is the only Tourneyman drafted in the 1st round.
The top remaining picks according to Wasserman and Vecenie are
Johnny Furphy
Tyler Kolek
Kyle Filipowski
Tyler Smith
Cam Christie
Bobi Klintman
Tyler Smith
Celtics pick Baylor Scheierman at #30
Argh, you *knew* the Cs were gonna pick Scheierman.
While these other teams continue to undervalue shooting..
I just got here. Why is France suddenly good at basketball? When I was a kid they stayed in their lane, playing soccer like good Europeans. They got the first and second pick this year, they got Gobert and who am I missing? Oh yeah Wembanyama. Sacre bleu!
I'm just going to assume the greatness of Pietrus started it all.
This post should be in a gilded frame in the DNHQ lair.
They have ruled soccer and time to move on to new sports
Jazz picks Isaiah Collier at #29
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