I just gotta say: It's so fun watching young Dubs grow and develop and having conversations about their potential in the future.
It's been a while since Dubs fans have really, truly done this. And while having veteran teams with title aspirations is always great....I missed this all too familiar space from years past.
I haven't been this nervous/excited for the draft lottery since 2012 (last year felt all but certain and a potential pick wasnt potentially lost based on top 3 protection like this year or that Toronto coin flip in '12)
Poole, Wiseman, Paschall, JTA (even though he's older) plus these potential picks...balancing the future with the present has been way more fun and less agonizing than I had predicted.
Then again, this coming year will be a true test of how well we thread that needle.
Guys at GSOM kicking around a trade of Wiseman+Loon+pick for Turner... what do u all think?
I say Oubre+Wiseman+2nd rounder or nothin. Admittedly, thats still a lot for Turner. Hes so-so, and injured. On the other hand...im just salivating at the prospect of the stalwart defense that Miles-Dray-Wiggins-100%Klay-Steph would bring... would be tops in the NBA
To start: what’s in it for Indiana? Their one young franchise player (Sabonis) is a traditional center — wtf do they want with Wiseman and Looney? Imho it’s evidence of how shoddy GSoM has become that they would publish a long form piece without (as far I can see) taking five seconds to ponder this question. It’s Fitz-like in it’s childlike inability to grasp that there’s another team involved who is actually trying to win games, too.
And then there’s the fact that the “source” for this so-called rumor is some dude musing on Bleacher Report.
Setting those things aside ... I don’t love the deal for GS, either. Turner has reached his ceiling ... and it doesn’t excite me much. Nice 3 and D guy that looks the part of a starting center ... but somehow lacks the headiness and skill you want from a high-level NBA starter, especially in a read-and-react system like Kerr’s.
Yeah, you could say the same about Wiseman, but he’s young enough where he could still develop hoops IQ required to be a star. And: Looney, already has it, despite lacking Turner’s bounciness.
Now if we’re talking about acquiring Sabonis — as long as we’re totally ignoring Indy’s perspective — that intrigues me.
Agreed. Sabonis would be amazing for the Warriors. However, Turner is a very good center that would fit on our team but not the way GSOM is presenting it. If there was a way to trade JW for Turner, I would give that some serious consideration. Turner is a star rim protector. JW is a liability.
Or course Sabonis would be much more intriguing. S&T of Oubre, including Wiseman+MIN pick+our own pick is what it would take, if IND is listening to offers.
Sabonis' defense is a liability here tho, and for all of pur assets, wheres Turner's is elite, and ur not giving up as much. Ur probably right tho...they likely dont have any interest in Wiseman. It would take our own pick being involved, which is too much for Turner
Hell no. I think the article mentioned he's a better floor spacer when he's only 33% from three vs wiseman at 31%. Not much of a difference, and JW has room to improve.
It's absolutely insane to me how many people want to give up on a guy who only played half the season and missed out on training camp.
Agreed. But for me though, its about his elite rim protection, which we need against the likes of the brow, Jokic, Nurkic, and many others. The combo of he and Dray would be devestating for opponents.
Offensively, call it a wash between he and Wiseman. But defensively, apples and oranges.
That's an absolutely insane trade from the Warriors point of view. Looney is already a pretty good defender if that's what you want though not a great shot blocker and a better rebounder. So you would be giving up a ton of assets for a guy you pretty much already have.
Turner is a very good rim protector, good on offense under the rim, and a 35% 3pt shooter, so he can stretch the floor...hes bad at everything else tho. I suppose if Oubre can play within Kerrs system, then Turner could learn.
But yes, giving up Looney and a high pick pl us Wiseman is super overdoing it.
I feel like Turner (who I for sure think is good) isn't enough of an upgrade for that package. Plus, the assumption that Oubre will want to sign and trade to his new team is unrealistic
If ur looking for elite rim protection, then hes a significant upgrade. Hes good at scoring in the paint...shoots 3's at a decent enough clip to stretch the floor, and would be a great lob threat with the high level ball movement.
IMO, if ur comparing him to Wiseman, what u get from him defensively out weighs what Wiseman can and could bring in the future.
Of course, Bob probably doesnt give up Wiseman unless hes included in a package to get a superstar...so its all null and void lol
The trouble with that is they can't trade Oubre without doing a sign and trade. As of right now, Oubre isn't employed by the Warriors. I can't really see the Warriors doing any deals until after the draft.
Right. It would be a S&T situation, which one can fairly assume that Bob could pull it off, just as hes done before. Its why they're keeping that Iggy TPE slot open...and its the only way to make the salaries match w Turner's.
So, yes, its not at all likely that this happens...too many moving parts.
I just cannot think of any other needle moving trade without giving up the house.
In essence, the idea here is getting Turner, which would be an upgrade as an elite rim protector...without giving away too many of our main assets.
Right, it would have to be at the right price, which isnt out of the realm of possibility. Giving up multiple lottery picks for a non elite player is crazy talk.
People think that Luka/Young trade was an even deal but I still think Dallas won that one. Trae will be a very good player but Luka (if he stays healthy) is on path for greatness.
Pretty sure nobody thinks it was an even deal. The default take on that draft is that Phoenix, Sacramento, and at Atlanta all messed up badly by passing on a generational talent (even when you factor in ATL getting an extra first-rounder for they’d trouble). The contrarian view is that Atlanta actually seems to have done pretty well for themselves after what looked initially like an epic drafting disaster.
Maybe not on these sport blogs but I used to see a lot of comments on IG sports pages talking about that trade as a win win for both sides and in a sense it was because ATL did pick up some extra draft capital on top of landing a star.
That Brunson guy has turned into a very solid rotational player for them. They're going to need a legit 2nd star if they want to start competing for championships though. The Unicorn is not it.
Clippers really haven't got a clue on how to guard Doncic. They're lucky Luka doesn't have a true 2nd star or this series would have been a wrap 2 games ago
Great discussion and those clips highlight clips are indeed mama mia! I’m hoping for a Barbosa/Livingston hybrid. And think he, Wiseman, Wiggins (plus a fingers crossed good draft pick provide a foundation for a pretty good next core.
No. Best we could do is someone like Morris. I think Lavine is the pinnacle of what we could expect to finagle this offseason, unless we jackpot it in the lottery
Most likely to be 8th, but you’re right. The challenge is that the vets have to agree with the plan. If they mutiny at the idea of pinning our hopes on two highly drafted rookies, it might force the FO to trade the picks.
the clippers are so soft. the reason why dallas keeps on shooting the 3 ball really well is because they’re not setting the tone at all and letting these shooters get confidence/rhythm to a point where they’re pulling up from 30 with a hand in their face because they know they’ll make it. definition of a cupcake team
i really like him as a player but he’s a 1b sort of guy at the best. i don’t think he has enough juice to be THE do it all man when everyone is locked in on him
I'm happy to be vindicated as a Poole fan who was singing his praises coming into the season. I see a lot of posters similarly down on Paschall, but I predict a major resurgence next year averaging 15 ppg on high efficiency.
Paschall dealt with starting off the season out of shape due to Covid + a nagging injury that sapped his athleticism all year. With this offseason, he'll be hungry to make up for his lackluster season and will add a three ball to his repertoire.
You heard it here first: from the man who predicted Draymond Green, Javale Mcgee, and now Jordan Poole!
Paschall was passing really well toward the end of last year, so I definitely think he has the passing chops. As for his shooting, he definitely has that mid-range game so at the very least, he can shoot that far.
Defensively, I think he just needs to improve his footwork since he definitely has the athleticism/bulk to be a positive contributor on that end.
May 28, 2021Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee
From Anthony Slater’s article about Jordan Poole.
....But it’s the small defensive details that have the coaching staff increasingly encouraged in the grander conversation about his longer-term development.
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“It’s the details,” Poole said. “The older you get, the more knowledge you gain as an individual, as a human. The details matter in real life. The little small things you do matter. Whether it’s saying good morning to somebody. Whether it’s X’ing out on a closeout. Whether it’s giving a teammate an extra handshake.”
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“......The little small things you do matter. Whether it’s saying good morning to somebody. ............Whether it’s giving a teammate an extra handshake.”
I just gotta say: It's so fun watching young Dubs grow and develop and having conversations about their potential in the future.
It's been a while since Dubs fans have really, truly done this. And while having veteran teams with title aspirations is always great....I missed this all too familiar space from years past.
I haven't been this nervous/excited for the draft lottery since 2012 (last year felt all but certain and a potential pick wasnt potentially lost based on top 3 protection like this year or that Toronto coin flip in '12)
Poole, Wiseman, Paschall, JTA (even though he's older) plus these potential picks...balancing the future with the present has been way more fun and less agonizing than I had predicted.
Then again, this coming year will be a true test of how well we thread that needle.
Looking forward to it.
I take that back - remembering now I was nervous as hell that we'd get leapfrogged and miss out on Wiseman lol
Guys at GSOM kicking around a trade of Wiseman+Loon+pick for Turner... what do u all think?
I say Oubre+Wiseman+2nd rounder or nothin. Admittedly, thats still a lot for Turner. Hes so-so, and injured. On the other hand...im just salivating at the prospect of the stalwart defense that Miles-Dray-Wiggins-100%Klay-Steph would bring... would be tops in the NBA
I don’t like the trade for either team, tbh.
To start: what’s in it for Indiana? Their one young franchise player (Sabonis) is a traditional center — wtf do they want with Wiseman and Looney? Imho it’s evidence of how shoddy GSoM has become that they would publish a long form piece without (as far I can see) taking five seconds to ponder this question. It’s Fitz-like in it’s childlike inability to grasp that there’s another team involved who is actually trying to win games, too.
And then there’s the fact that the “source” for this so-called rumor is some dude musing on Bleacher Report.
Setting those things aside ... I don’t love the deal for GS, either. Turner has reached his ceiling ... and it doesn’t excite me much. Nice 3 and D guy that looks the part of a starting center ... but somehow lacks the headiness and skill you want from a high-level NBA starter, especially in a read-and-react system like Kerr’s.
Yeah, you could say the same about Wiseman, but he’s young enough where he could still develop hoops IQ required to be a star. And: Looney, already has it, despite lacking Turner’s bounciness.
Now if we’re talking about acquiring Sabonis — as long as we’re totally ignoring Indy’s perspective — that intrigues me.
Agreed. Sabonis would be amazing for the Warriors. However, Turner is a very good center that would fit on our team but not the way GSOM is presenting it. If there was a way to trade JW for Turner, I would give that some serious consideration. Turner is a star rim protector. JW is a liability.
Or course Sabonis would be much more intriguing. S&T of Oubre, including Wiseman+MIN pick+our own pick is what it would take, if IND is listening to offers.
Sabonis' defense is a liability here tho, and for all of pur assets, wheres Turner's is elite, and ur not giving up as much. Ur probably right tho...they likely dont have any interest in Wiseman. It would take our own pick being involved, which is too much for Turner
Hell no. I think the article mentioned he's a better floor spacer when he's only 33% from three vs wiseman at 31%. Not much of a difference, and JW has room to improve.
It's absolutely insane to me how many people want to give up on a guy who only played half the season and missed out on training camp.
Agreed. But for me though, its about his elite rim protection, which we need against the likes of the brow, Jokic, Nurkic, and many others. The combo of he and Dray would be devestating for opponents.
Offensively, call it a wash between he and Wiseman. But defensively, apples and oranges.
That's an absolutely insane trade from the Warriors point of view. Looney is already a pretty good defender if that's what you want though not a great shot blocker and a better rebounder. So you would be giving up a ton of assets for a guy you pretty much already have.
Turner is a very good rim protector, good on offense under the rim, and a 35% 3pt shooter, so he can stretch the floor...hes bad at everything else tho. I suppose if Oubre can play within Kerrs system, then Turner could learn.
But yes, giving up Looney and a high pick pl us Wiseman is super overdoing it.
Like i said, Wiseman+Oubre+2nd rounder or nothin
I feel like Turner (who I for sure think is good) isn't enough of an upgrade for that package. Plus, the assumption that Oubre will want to sign and trade to his new team is unrealistic
If ur looking for elite rim protection, then hes a significant upgrade. Hes good at scoring in the paint...shoots 3's at a decent enough clip to stretch the floor, and would be a great lob threat with the high level ball movement.
IMO, if ur comparing him to Wiseman, what u get from him defensively out weighs what Wiseman can and could bring in the future.
Of course, Bob probably doesnt give up Wiseman unless hes included in a package to get a superstar...so its all null and void lol
The trouble with that is they can't trade Oubre without doing a sign and trade. As of right now, Oubre isn't employed by the Warriors. I can't really see the Warriors doing any deals until after the draft.
Right. It would be a S&T situation, which one can fairly assume that Bob could pull it off, just as hes done before. Its why they're keeping that Iggy TPE slot open...and its the only way to make the salaries match w Turner's.
So, yes, its not at all likely that this happens...too many moving parts.
I just cannot think of any other needle moving trade without giving up the house.
In essence, the idea here is getting Turner, which would be an upgrade as an elite rim protector...without giving away too many of our main assets.
The best response to that post is the green comment at the top of the thread. It lays bare how nutty such a trade would be.
Right, it would have to be at the right price, which isnt out of the realm of possibility. Giving up multiple lottery picks for a non elite player is crazy talk.
Clippers shot 57.9% (44/76 FGs) tonight.
Leonard: 13/17 FGs, 3/5 threes, 7/7 FTs
Morris: 6/9 FGs, 3/5 threes
Jackson: 6/12 FGs, 4/10 threes
George: 11/18 FGs, 2/6 threes, 5/5 FTs
As for the Mavericks, they shot 44.2% (38/86 FGs), though they were 20/39 beyond the arc.
Doncic: 15/28 FGs, 7/13 threes, 7/13 FTs
Hardaway Jr.: 4/14 FGs, 4/6 threes
Brunson: 5/8 FGs, 4/6 threes
Kleber: 5/9 FGs, 4/7 threes
Porzingis: 3/10 FGs, 1/4 threes, 2/2 FTs
People think that Luka/Young trade was an even deal but I still think Dallas won that one. Trae will be a very good player but Luka (if he stays healthy) is on path for greatness.
Pretty sure nobody thinks it was an even deal. The default take on that draft is that Phoenix, Sacramento, and at Atlanta all messed up badly by passing on a generational talent (even when you factor in ATL getting an extra first-rounder for they’d trouble). The contrarian view is that Atlanta actually seems to have done pretty well for themselves after what looked initially like an epic drafting disaster.
Maybe not on these sport blogs but I used to see a lot of comments on IG sports pages talking about that trade as a win win for both sides and in a sense it was because ATL did pick up some extra draft capital on top of landing a star.
but then again win win and even are two different things..
I don’t even want kawhi, I’ll settle for his whistle
As bad as the Clippers are playing, I think they're starting to realize that Dallas team is pretty freaking average outside of Luka.
Granted, but when Luca is hitting from deep like this, his game alone is devastating
That Brunson guy has turned into a very solid rotational player for them. They're going to need a legit 2nd star if they want to start competing for championships though. The Unicorn is not it.
So the Celtics proved tonight that the Nets are still beatable even with 2/3 of their stars going off
I don't watch the nets but isn't their defense Swiss cheese? Also their big 3 has only played like 10 games together all year or some shit like that
Pretty much. I'm not sure how they're going to hold up the deeper they go into the playoffs. It'll be interesting to watch.
I'm not sold on them tbh, I think Milwaukee has a good chance of eliminating them next round. Could be wrong tho, they're way too talented
Clippers really haven't got a clue on how to guard Doncic. They're lucky Luka doesn't have a true 2nd star or this series would have been a wrap 2 games ago
They should have kept hb instead of trading him for cap relief
Tatum soooooo good
Three things I’m currently really high on
1. Life
2. Ganja
3. Jordan Poole
Great discussion and those clips highlight clips are indeed mama mia! I’m hoping for a Barbosa/Livingston hybrid. And think he, Wiseman, Wiggins (plus a fingers crossed good draft pick provide a foundation for a pretty good next core.
Paul George is so smooth
Ladies and gentlemen: the LA Flippers
That Luka guy's pretty good, but it looks like the Clips got their act somewhat together now.
How do we get Leonard after the Clippers get swept. Is it possible $$$$ wise?
No. Best we could do is someone like Morris. I think Lavine is the pinnacle of what we could expect to finagle this offseason, unless we jackpot it in the lottery
LaVine? I don't see how or why that would happen.
6th and 14th pick in a loaded draft should get us some very good contributors
Most likely to be 8th, but you’re right. The challenge is that the vets have to agree with the plan. If they mutiny at the idea of pinning our hopes on two highly drafted rookies, it might force the FO to trade the picks.
Well, certainly possible with the right S&T deal involving Wiggins/Oubre+others
No.
the clippers are so soft. the reason why dallas keeps on shooting the 3 ball really well is because they’re not setting the tone at all and letting these shooters get confidence/rhythm to a point where they’re pulling up from 30 with a hand in their face because they know they’ll make it. definition of a cupcake team
Julius Randle now 13-54 from the field (.241) through three playoff games.
i really like him as a player but he’s a 1b sort of guy at the best. i don’t think he has enough juice to be THE do it all man when everyone is locked in on him
in his defense there’s very few guys in the league that can say they’re capable of that.
Not true. Lots of guys can say that. Hell, I can say that.
Ok.
Damn, against the hawks too 😬
I'm happy to be vindicated as a Poole fan who was singing his praises coming into the season. I see a lot of posters similarly down on Paschall, but I predict a major resurgence next year averaging 15 ppg on high efficiency.
Paschall dealt with starting off the season out of shape due to Covid + a nagging injury that sapped his athleticism all year. With this offseason, he'll be hungry to make up for his lackluster season and will add a three ball to his repertoire.
You heard it here first: from the man who predicted Draymond Green, Javale Mcgee, and now Jordan Poole!
I’m not sure his skill set fits the system. He really needs to improve his defense and shooting
I’ll live with his shooting if he learns to pass.
But, you’re right, D is most important. If he can’t switch on to wings, he’s not a Warrior
Paschall was passing really well toward the end of last year, so I definitely think he has the passing chops. As for his shooting, he definitely has that mid-range game so at the very least, he can shoot that far.
Defensively, I think he just needs to improve his footwork since he definitely has the athleticism/bulk to be a positive contributor on that end.
From Anthony Slater’s article about Jordan Poole.
....But it’s the small defensive details that have the coaching staff increasingly encouraged in the grander conversation about his longer-term development.
..............
“It’s the details,” Poole said. “The older you get, the more knowledge you gain as an individual, as a human. The details matter in real life. The little small things you do matter. Whether it’s saying good morning to somebody. Whether it’s X’ing out on a closeout. Whether it’s giving a teammate an extra handshake.”
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“......The little small things you do matter. Whether it’s saying good morning to somebody. ............Whether it’s giving a teammate an extra handshake.”
Me: 👏👏👏