Your guy Mac is a free agent so you can continue to feel irrationally good about his chances. Hey we have a roster spot open, and we're being irrational so why not? And if he doesn't play in the NBA, he said he might go to Europe this year, so maybe you can see him there. That is downright rational though.
Really thorough video. That doctor is great. It really pisses me off that this brings out the antivax crowd (you can see it in the comments). A dude almost died. I have never had any love lost on Lebron, but my thoughts are with his family.
I thought about that. I think he finishes out his contract in LA but just based on some initial assessments i dont see any way Bronny plays high level hoops again which means Bron finishes his career in LA unless hes willing to wait for his other son
Keyontae Johnson's heart stopped during a game, and he got drafted this year by OKC. So there's hope, but obviously basketball is beside the point for now. Just so, so glad he survived and is out of immediate danger.
One of my favorite low-key moments of the Underrated doc was hearing about how Doc Rivers was at the Georgetown Sweet 16 game vs Davidson to watch Austin (playing for Georgetown) and said something snarky to Dell.
Actually, it was not Austin who was playing, but his older brother. I thought it was Austin, but looked it up. I had no idea he had a brother, just knew of the sister married to Seth.
I don't know if the problem is related to device compatibility with AppleTV, but if it's just the subscription they did coordinate a 2 month free trial to go along with the release http://apple.co/StephenUnderrated in case that helps
Yep. That plus baby Steph hitting the four point play and then them cutting to a sad Patrick Ewing. Lots of shots of a very nervous John Thompson III. That Georgetown stretch was amazing.
At the time it was like wow this Cinderella Davidson keeps making great comebacks with this amazing little shooter Steph Curry.
In retrospect it's like all time basketball legend Steph Curry's teams would sometimes struggle against lesser teams even in his college days before going on a run and putting them away.
I don’t really have an irrationally good feeling type of player just based on a very boring roster type of construction this year (not a bad thing) but I have three ‘irrationally’ bad feeling type of players
1). Jonathan Kuminga for going full Hoody Melo this offseason on social media only to end up glued to the bench and end up losing all trade value after this yr
2). BP for having a very ‘punchable face’ disposition about him every time i see a picture of him on social media with his oversized BP chain around his neck. Too much Post Malone vibes for my liking
3). Moses Moody. Reminds me of a smaller Kuminga. Too slow to guard 3s defensively. that shot not as as good to play the 2 offensively and too slow footed to play the 3. Another throwaway salary match come offseason trade.
I'm really rooting for all three of these guys to level up, but so far none of them have produced consistently, just tempting flashes of potential, and your worst-case scenario could be for real: all three get shipped out for picks and a decent vet.
But if the health gods smile on the Dubs, their roster with CoryJo, CP3, and Saric and the OGs is still capable of a good run if all the younguns do is no harm.
Notice you didn't mention TJD - where is he in your "feels"?
No irrational good or bad thoughts. His lone summer league performance produced a very encouraging stat line but not something unexpected. Like i said, its almost like u know what to expect with this roster. The only real question mark is gonna be Kuminga and that 14th roster spot.
Keyshawn showed up and delivered for his match. He's definitely for real, but I think he will need to keep improving his footwork and controlling the pace of the fight if he wants to be great against the best. I'm excited to see more of him and he's only 24. In any case it was a much more fun fight than that robbery in the Hughes-Kambosos main event.
Did you have a chance to watch Inoue-Fulton this morning? I don't wake up that early as I'm not a masochist but I watched it on replay. Won't spoil it for you if you haven't seen it yet.
Yah. I talked about it earlier. I said Fulton was a bit overrated not to take anything away from Inoue but Figueroa beat him and exposed flaws in his style which obviously Inoue did too lol
Yeah thats why i said 2 cause i know how high u are on Usyk. Speaking of heavyweights, i am not high on Jarred Anderson at all. I think he took a step too high last fight but still felt like he got hit too many times and wobbled a couple.
I love Usyk and he's top 2 for sure but Inuoe is the truth.
Anderson definitely gets hit way too much. I feel like that is becoming my main criticism of up and coming guys. Everyone stopped wanting to watch the slick boxers so guys stopped training that way.
Shot 36 percent on 2.1 attempts. For comparison. Trey murphy shot nearly 41 percent. Id like to see him at least over 39 percent.
But ur right maybe Moody should not have been included on here. I have some legit concerns about his game. The other two i have more irrational concerns strictly based on social media
Steph with Logan Murdoch and Ramon Rando talking about CP3’s fit. Talks about checking egos and how the have seven guys who probably think they should start and finish , “Do the math.” He also said Paul would’ve been real helpful against the Lakers generating half court offense and would allow Curry to play off ball. He sounded genuinely happy to have him. https://youtu.be/H9Zp2YTyfs0
Great listen. I did wonder about the identity of the so-called “7th starter.” We can assume traditional starting 5 + CP3 as the Big 6, but who’s #7? He called out the importance of Jon and Moses in a separate thought, so I ruled them out. Dario? Gary? CoJo? Or is Andre returning?
As other have mentioned, parsing JK and Moody separately leaves it open to interpretation. Could be Saric or GP2. Still could be JK too.
I also wonder if Steph is tired from extended press circuit he's been on. They had just done a line of questions about Poole, and I was wondering if he fell back on "7" as a reflex since Poole and DDV both started roughly half the games they played (i.e. 7 players played at least 50% of GP as starters for the 2022-2023 season)
Huge fan of Wagner, but no. Franz is a starter, and MM/JK are critical pieces on our second unit for the coming year.
Longer-term, it's a bit more iffy, but still a no. I think JK can develop into a player on or near Wagner's level, and Moody is great fit for us regardless. Tempting, though ...
Kuminga 18.4 pts on .597 TS / 6.5 reb / 2.6 ast / +0.1 pts per 100 possessions on court
Moody 13.4 pts on .590 TS / 4.7 reb / 1.9 ast / -1.6 per 100 on court
Wagner 19.2 pts on .575 TS / 4.9 reb / 3.7 ast / -2.1 per 100 on court
All three are on upward trajectory, but our guys are a year younger with theoretically more upside. Moses’ numbers stand out as the most modest of the three, but he has also crushed the G-League and killed it in the playoffs.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see any of the three have the best NBA career.
Franz plays on a crappy Magic team, MM/JK have played on title and playoff Dubs teams. That means the on-court numbers are going to balanced against Franz. Wagner also has had a much bigger role and more MP than either Moody/JK, making per-36 numbers tilt away from him as well.
I still like Moody and Kuminga, but Franz would definitely be the clear pick in a redraft. I probably would not trade both of Moody and JK for Franz, but I would have quite a few discussions about such an offer.
Yeah... when Franz goes to the bench, in comes Gary Harris/Terrence Ross/Caleb Houston/Bol Bol... when MM goes to the bench, in comes Klay Thompson/Jordan Poole/Donte DiVincenzo... there's levels to this.
Franz is a starter... on a bad team without any real competition for a starting role. He's a fine player, and I'm not trying to denigrate him too much, but "Franz is a starter" isn't really the whole story. You know who else is "a starter"? James Wiseman.
Athletic Alchemy’s take on Podz and TJD. He likes them both. Podz needs to get used to playing against higher levels of athleticism and his strengths will be better used when playing with better teammates. Also needs to develop his right hand more.
He’s really high on TJD and sees a role for him right away, especially since he has huge soft hands and can catch the ball well in traffic.
For pros, it’s less about learning how to do something as a lefty (they are skilled enough that they’re able to do it somewhat effectively as a baseline) but that rather training your move set/mindset to incorporate a competent left into ur arsenal.
Can't speak for pros, but when I broke my right wrist at 30 I learned to do almost everything lefty, and my left handed layup and hook shot are both much more reliable than my righty, and I have a reasonably good short-range jumper/banker/floater shots lefty also, though am still much better righty on shots requiring more full-body power. Given how much practice pros put in, I can easily see these guys developing reliable non-dominant-hand shots, at least in the paint.
Yeah, I can see improving your off-hand shooting (just like any other bball skill). But, learning it from scratch and unlearning years of using your dominant hand would seem to be pretty tough.
Isn't that all he was suggesting (improving off-hand shooting)? It's not like he's saying they need to retrain right hand to be dominate, but suggesting that left-handers may naturally have less advantage in the lower leagues to advance their off-hand, but may need to focus on it more now.
He also talked about how the fans are saying the Dubs gave up on Wiseman too early are the same ones already declaring Podz a bust and they can’t have it both ways.
Didn’t know Wiseman Island is still inhabited. I figured the the flora and fauna were already re-claiming the abandoned structures.
> He also talked about how the fans are saying the Dubs gave up on Wiseman too early are the same ones already declaring Podz a bust and they can’t have it both ways.
I usually find him insightful but this point (which I saw yesterday) was underwhelming. People who like Wiseman liked, among other things, his athleticism. It makes perfect sense that they might have doubts about Podz. And people who disliked Wiseman complained about his BBIQ (their words, not mine). It makes perfect sense that they would be likely to like Podz. So he's mistaken, because its almost like the more you like Wiseman, the more doubt you are likely (not certainly, LIKELY) to have about Podz, and vice versa. No one is "having it both ways"; in fact, everyone is being perfectly consistent when they have hope about one and doubt about the other.
EDIT: Granted, it is waaaayyyyyyyyyyy too early to be calling anybody a bust.
That's a great point about it making sense that different groups of people would like one and not the other. But I think that still goes along with AA's point. Which is that people who say young players who aren't there yet need to be given multiple NBA seasons to develop, and then turn around and use bad shooting in a week and a half of summer league games as evidence that a player will NEVER play well in the NBA, are applying two comically different standards. A standard of patience to players they naturally like, and a standard of knee-jerk almost instantaneous rejection to players they don't like.
That's the "having it both ways" he's referring to, I think.
> Which is that people who say young players who aren't there yet need to be given multiple NBA seasons to develop, and then turn around and use bad shooting in a week and a half of summer league games as evidence that a player will NEVER play well in the NBA, are applying two comically different standards.
That's a good point, too. Yeah, that's pretty funny (ha-ha and "what?" funny). I have my doubts about Podz, and did at the draft. But he needs (and in my view DESERVES, like all young players) time and an opportunity to develop. Given that opportunity, he could very well prove my doubts wrong. I hope he does, and does it wearing a Dubs uniform.
Musk is a tool, but lots of people at all wealth levels are also tools.
I don't think it's money ... some people either just never develop much sense of empathy, or just feel that if it's not happening to them, it's not important. I don't understand it.
People at all levels of wealth are tools, but Musk's level of wealth gives him a greater platform and alienates some of the social elements that would otherwise check his ego
> some people either just never develop much sense of empathy, or just feel that if it's not happening to them, it's not important. I don't understand it.
Nice to see the idea that people should speak up about issues even if they are not directly affected is accepted here.
No, I'm just giving a shout out to TwoRingTest's point . . . a point I made a few days ago (that people can (should, and do) care about things that are "not about them") and got shouted down by several posters. It is always satisfying when one's wisdom becomes common wisdom--even if no one gives you credit for having that wisdom before it was accepted.
Not exactly sure what PG’s point was, but just to clarify my own: it’s not so much that I begrudge Musk’s or anyone else’s concerns about potential adverse health effects of the covid vaccine. It’s more about the complete lack of empathy it shows to voice those concerns as a quasi-political statement in a public forum just moments after an 18 y.o. young man has nearly died in what world have been a horrific tragedy.
But as DFiB notes below, I guess I’m kind of guilty of a similar thing by taking Musk’s bait, so I’ll move on. Most importantly: get well soon, Bronny.
I just re-watched the highlight of him dunking on the T-wolves, specifically Jordan Bell. The line-up was Ky Bowman, Smailagic, Paschall, Jacob Evans and Spellman. Looks like Wiggs sitting on the Minny bench too. What a time capsule in that single highlight.
In other non-Warriors basketball news (prayers up for Bronny), Jaylen Brown and the Celtics agreed to a supermax extension today. Smart move? Desperation?
They got rid of all the Smarts on their team so they could do this deal. What % of the cap are they investing in a guy that plays theoretical defense, doesn’t really pass teammates open, and can’t dribble?
I don't think he's worth the money, but this may be like the Ws signing Poole. Even if he's not worth it, they preserve control of the asset and figure they might trade him later if he doesn't progress. At least they don't lose him for nothing.
I feel like if you are giving someone a supermax they should be the best or second best player on your team, and I don't think Brown is better than Derrick White (wrote out his full name because if you exclude the word Derrick it reads kinda fucked up).
Brown is an average-ish rebounder and defender; mediocre shooter and FT shooter; and poor passer and ball handler. Over his career the Cs have been about the same with him on the bench v on the floor.
Guy who used to post a lot of analytical stuff on GSOM who I thought was pretty insightful (believe his username was greencurry) who is now on Twitter posted some of his thoughts on it as well. I can't say I'm familiar with "stabilized On Court Offensive Rating" but Brown doesn't appear to fare well in that either. Had some other points I found interesting as well.
I don't think the Celtics will ever get to the mountain top until they find someone to settle the kids down in crunch time. I thought Brogdon was that guy but I guess not.
As much as I like Jaylen Brown, that contract is going to be an albatross for them. Maybe they will ship him out next year when Tatum gets a slightly more historic supermax extension? I can't imagine having two current supermax guys at the same time under the CBA as it exists. Yikes.
Yep, he's great, and he's in the prime of his career. The Celtics will be spending somewhere around $110 to $130 million a year for two players when Tatum's extension kicks in in 25-26 through 28-29 when Brown alone will be making $69.1 million.
Have to remember the salary cap is rising quickly these next few years. The lux tax threshold will already be ~$210M in 26/27, 2nd apron at ~$230M, so that will be ~55% of lux tax threshold tied up in two players, which is a lot, but not that outlandish... that's the equivalent of ~$83M compared to 22/23 threshold. The Clippers and Warriors exceed this (Warriors by a lot), a few other teams are relatively close with their top two players.
That Jordan Poole contract will look cheaper and cheaper as the years go along... and Dray will be legit bargain by the end of his, even at 36 or whatever age he's gonna be.
It will be normalized soon and I'm not sure what the better alternative is. The Suns are going to be paying Durant and Devin Booker $110M in 25-26. Jamal Murray will get an extension and then he and Jokic will have crazy contract numbers together.
You know who's going to be good? The Celtics from 25-26 to 28-29 with Brown and Tatum in their prime. It will be a challenge to build a championship roster, but their floor will be so high. They'll just need to nail some value contracts, but that is true of anyone.
If ur reading this Crusty, Inoue cmon man has to be Top 2 p2p right now although I think Fulton was overrated coming in but he absolutely destroyed him
Didn't see this before I posted downthread, Inoue is def #1 P4P right now, and you know I'm an Usyk fanboi. Fulton is a solid fighter and Naoya just made him look average. Monster for real. Most exciting fighter since Manny.
I still think 126 will give Inoue his first real tests. About three boxers with very unorthoDox styles. Tapales looked hella nervous post fight lol like dead man walking
I guess I always wanted us to have that special big guy we so rarely had (Bogut being one of the few). I tell you it's the curse of Robert Parish! So I especially felt irrationally good about bigs.
I was notoriously high on Wiseman long after it was rational but everybody here knows that! I had plans to expand the bar on Wiseman Island right up until he was traded, which arguably is as irrational as it gets.
I felt irrationally good about Chris Gatling, loved his energy. I felt irrationally good about Anthony Randolph, which at that point was mostly desperation. I felt irrationally good about Joe Smith but at least I had an excuse: We both attended U. of MD, although I was there long before he was.
Recently, I was super-high on Jordan Bell starting when he was at Oregon and I still don't understand why he washed out, the hotel charges stuff was so weird. His athleticism and defensive potential stood out - such potential as a rim-running big.
I was so pumped for the Omri Casspi signing and then he barely cracked the rotation and weirdly stopped shooting 3s?
Historically - Anthony Morrow - had to feel like he was just before his time - I feel like he's would've gotten paid if he was playing now. The other Anthony - Randolph, too, but he was a 1st round pick so not sure that counts.
I was very high on Gilbert Arenas from watching him in college and was right about that one.
Growing up, I talked myself into Tom Gugliotta after the botched Webber trade...that did not work out.
I didn't think of JB's problem as a lack of toughness (although maybe so) but more that he was perpetually immature. I never felt irrationally good about Bell anyway, more "wait and see." I liked Chris Boucher better but didn't feel irrationally good about him, as he was recovering from injury when we had him, and the timing was wrong.
Lil Mac was my irrational good feelings player in 2022-2023...then, he won the NBA AS Dunk Contest...go figure...
Your guy Mac is a free agent so you can continue to feel irrationally good about his chances. Hey we have a roster spot open, and we're being irrational so why not? And if he doesn't play in the NBA, he said he might go to Europe this year, so maybe you can see him there. That is downright rational though.
Lol...I'll keep pulling for this kid...
Doctor Reacts to Bronny James Cardiac Arrest - What Happened? | Brian Sutterer MD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgEvWRV8k4w
From what I read this is actually good news it not being a heart attack and that something like a pacemaker could prevent further issues.
Fortunate hes young and there was medical attention asap.
Really thorough video. That doctor is great. It really pisses me off that this brings out the antivax crowd (you can see it in the comments). A dude almost died. I have never had any love lost on Lebron, but my thoughts are with his family.
I thought about that. I think he finishes out his contract in LA but just based on some initial assessments i dont see any way Bronny plays high level hoops again which means Bron finishes his career in LA unless hes willing to wait for his other son
Keyontae Johnson's heart stopped during a game, and he got drafted this year by OKC. So there's hope, but obviously basketball is beside the point for now. Just so, so glad he survived and is out of immediate danger.
I'd hate to see him go out that way.
One of my favorite low-key moments of the Underrated doc was hearing about how Doc Rivers was at the Georgetown Sweet 16 game vs Davidson to watch Austin (playing for Georgetown) and said something snarky to Dell.
Priceless.
Actually, it was not Austin who was playing, but his older brother. I thought it was Austin, but looked it up. I had no idea he had a brother, just knew of the sister married to Seth.
Stuck waiting for it to come onto other platforms - why oh why is this still stuck on appletv 😩
I don't know if the problem is related to device compatibility with AppleTV, but if it's just the subscription they did coordinate a 2 month free trial to go along with the release http://apple.co/StephenUnderrated in case that helps
Good to know. I already used up a free trial for the mandalorian 😁
Yep. That plus baby Steph hitting the four point play and then them cutting to a sad Patrick Ewing. Lots of shots of a very nervous John Thompson III. That Georgetown stretch was amazing.
At the time it was like wow this Cinderella Davidson keeps making great comebacks with this amazing little shooter Steph Curry.
In retrospect it's like all time basketball legend Steph Curry's teams would sometimes struggle against lesser teams even in his college days before going on a run and putting them away.
https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1683967251550986242
Bring it Ant Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVh9Rf0aa20
I don’t really have an irrationally good feeling type of player just based on a very boring roster type of construction this year (not a bad thing) but I have three ‘irrationally’ bad feeling type of players
1). Jonathan Kuminga for going full Hoody Melo this offseason on social media only to end up glued to the bench and end up losing all trade value after this yr
2). BP for having a very ‘punchable face’ disposition about him every time i see a picture of him on social media with his oversized BP chain around his neck. Too much Post Malone vibes for my liking
3). Moses Moody. Reminds me of a smaller Kuminga. Too slow to guard 3s defensively. that shot not as as good to play the 2 offensively and too slow footed to play the 3. Another throwaway salary match come offseason trade.
boo
I'm really rooting for all three of these guys to level up, but so far none of them have produced consistently, just tempting flashes of potential, and your worst-case scenario could be for real: all three get shipped out for picks and a decent vet.
But if the health gods smile on the Dubs, their roster with CoryJo, CP3, and Saric and the OGs is still capable of a good run if all the younguns do is no harm.
Notice you didn't mention TJD - where is he in your "feels"?
No irrational good or bad thoughts. His lone summer league performance produced a very encouraging stat line but not something unexpected. Like i said, its almost like u know what to expect with this roster. The only real question mark is gonna be Kuminga and that 14th roster spot.
Keyshawn showed up and delivered for his match. He's definitely for real, but I think he will need to keep improving his footwork and controlling the pace of the fight if he wants to be great against the best. I'm excited to see more of him and he's only 24. In any case it was a much more fun fight than that robbery in the Hughes-Kambosos main event.
Did you have a chance to watch Inoue-Fulton this morning? I don't wake up that early as I'm not a masochist but I watched it on replay. Won't spoil it for you if you haven't seen it yet.
Yah. I talked about it earlier. I said Fulton was a bit overrated not to take anything away from Inoue but Figueroa beat him and exposed flaws in his style which obviously Inoue did too lol
Saw your other post just now. Inoue is masterful. #1 p4p right now no doubt in my eyes. The most complete fighter in the sport
Yeah thats why i said 2 cause i know how high u are on Usyk. Speaking of heavyweights, i am not high on Jarred Anderson at all. I think he took a step too high last fight but still felt like he got hit too many times and wobbled a couple.
I love Usyk and he's top 2 for sure but Inuoe is the truth.
Anderson definitely gets hit way too much. I feel like that is becoming my main criticism of up and coming guys. Everyone stopped wanting to watch the slick boxers so guys stopped training that way.
I know these are supposed to be irrational so there's no point in arguing them, but what 3 pt % would you like to see from Moody?
Shot 36 percent on 2.1 attempts. For comparison. Trey murphy shot nearly 41 percent. Id like to see him at least over 39 percent.
But ur right maybe Moody should not have been included on here. I have some legit concerns about his game. The other two i have more irrational concerns strictly based on social media
Steph with Logan Murdoch and Ramon Rando talking about CP3’s fit. Talks about checking egos and how the have seven guys who probably think they should start and finish , “Do the math.” He also said Paul would’ve been real helpful against the Lakers generating half court offense and would allow Curry to play off ball. He sounded genuinely happy to have him. https://youtu.be/H9Zp2YTyfs0
Ramon Rando is an argentinian dancer of tango, born in Buenos Aires. Handsome, great footwork, brings a lot of fans on the stands
Logan Murdock, born in Madripoor, blind from a car accident when he was 11, profession: lawyer, adamantium in his body
Unstoppable
Ramon Rando is a fantastic name, like an optional boss to fight in a mid-tier video game
And “Logan Murdock” is what you get when you cross Wolverine and Daredevil, which would basically be the coolest Marvel character ever.
Would he be a blind super soldier or a lawyer that recovers quickly from paper cuts?
Yes!
Great listen. I did wonder about the identity of the so-called “7th starter.” We can assume traditional starting 5 + CP3 as the Big 6, but who’s #7? He called out the importance of Jon and Moses in a separate thought, so I ruled them out. Dario? Gary? CoJo? Or is Andre returning?
As other have mentioned, parsing JK and Moody separately leaves it open to interpretation. Could be Saric or GP2. Still could be JK too.
I also wonder if Steph is tired from extended press circuit he's been on. They had just done a line of questions about Poole, and I was wondering if he fell back on "7" as a reflex since Poole and DDV both started roughly half the games they played (i.e. 7 players played at least 50% of GP as starters for the 2022-2023 season)
or the conspiratorial thought would be after Aug 3 they could turn GP2, JK, Moody, and Podz into $21M...
Hah, I was trying to figure out #7 as well. I assumed it was Saric or JK.
I was curious about that too. Probably GP2.
Yeah, I think it's GP2. He's who they started in their most recent game.
Saric, I thought
Yeah, I think it's gotta be Saric. He's started half his career games and his skillset is elevated on this team.
Raja Bell, not Rajon Rondo.
Ramon Rando, not Rajon Rondo.
Ramjan Rambo
Sylvester Stallone's newest investment, a sure hit.
Steve Kerr Explains Why Steph Curry Was Underrated | BBallBreakdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhttxsdiE94
In the comments, he says there is a full 30 minute interview with Kerr he will post tomorrow.
Random thought, would you trade Moody+Kuminga for Franz Wagner?
Nope.
Not sure I’d trade *either* of them for Franz, tbh. Mayyybe Moody if you twist my arm. Can we revisit this question in a year?
of course!
Huge fan of Wagner, but no. Franz is a starter, and MM/JK are critical pieces on our second unit for the coming year.
Longer-term, it's a bit more iffy, but still a no. I think JK can develop into a player on or near Wagner's level, and Moody is great fit for us regardless. Tempting, though ...
Per 36, career…
Kuminga 18.4 pts on .597 TS / 6.5 reb / 2.6 ast / +0.1 pts per 100 possessions on court
Moody 13.4 pts on .590 TS / 4.7 reb / 1.9 ast / -1.6 per 100 on court
Wagner 19.2 pts on .575 TS / 4.9 reb / 3.7 ast / -2.1 per 100 on court
All three are on upward trajectory, but our guys are a year younger with theoretically more upside. Moses’ numbers stand out as the most modest of the three, but he has also crushed the G-League and killed it in the playoffs.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see any of the three have the best NBA career.
Franz plays on a crappy Magic team, MM/JK have played on title and playoff Dubs teams. That means the on-court numbers are going to balanced against Franz. Wagner also has had a much bigger role and more MP than either Moody/JK, making per-36 numbers tilt away from him as well.
I still like Moody and Kuminga, but Franz would definitely be the clear pick in a redraft. I probably would not trade both of Moody and JK for Franz, but I would have quite a few discussions about such an offer.
Yeah, Franz’ on-off numbers are really impressive for such a young player: career +9.3 net on-off. But a big part of that is his atrocious teammates.
I’d hang up the phone at “both” but would probably have discussions about “either.”
Yeah... when Franz goes to the bench, in comes Gary Harris/Terrence Ross/Caleb Houston/Bol Bol... when MM goes to the bench, in comes Klay Thompson/Jordan Poole/Donte DiVincenzo... there's levels to this.
If Moses figures out his left hand and puts on #fifteenpoundsofmuscle, he's gonna be lethal.
Is this pre- or post- PIF takeover?
Franz is a starter... on a bad team without any real competition for a starting role. He's a fine player, and I'm not trying to denigrate him too much, but "Franz is a starter" isn't really the whole story. You know who else is "a starter"? James Wiseman.
Kuminga has playmaking with size and will dog tf out of wagner
Athletic Alchemy’s take on Podz and TJD. He likes them both. Podz needs to get used to playing against higher levels of athleticism and his strengths will be better used when playing with better teammates. Also needs to develop his right hand more.
He’s really high on TJD and sees a role for him right away, especially since he has huge soft hands and can catch the ball well in traffic.
Good listen! https://youtu.be/clAfrh10uBc
More insight than I normally expect from him (don't get me wrong ... he's forgotten more basketball than I'll ever know).
He did say that both Podz and TJD need to develop their off-hands.
Does that ever really happen in the NBA? They are 21 and 23. I would assume that if you can't use your off-hand by then, it would be tough to learn.
For pros, it’s less about learning how to do something as a lefty (they are skilled enough that they’re able to do it somewhat effectively as a baseline) but that rather training your move set/mindset to incorporate a competent left into ur arsenal.
Pretty sure they’re both lefties :-)
Blah, just flip what i said to the opposite hand.
Can't speak for pros, but when I broke my right wrist at 30 I learned to do almost everything lefty, and my left handed layup and hook shot are both much more reliable than my righty, and I have a reasonably good short-range jumper/banker/floater shots lefty also, though am still much better righty on shots requiring more full-body power. Given how much practice pros put in, I can easily see these guys developing reliable non-dominant-hand shots, at least in the paint.
Nice! Thanks.
I’d guess Curry’s more ambidextrous than before he started doing all those ball handling drills.
Yeah, I can see improving your off-hand shooting (just like any other bball skill). But, learning it from scratch and unlearning years of using your dominant hand would seem to be pretty tough.
Isn't that all he was suggesting (improving off-hand shooting)? It's not like he's saying they need to retrain right hand to be dominate, but suggesting that left-handers may naturally have less advantage in the lower leagues to advance their off-hand, but may need to focus on it more now.
What I thought he was saying was that they had no off-hand shot at all (which apparently for them is their right hand). Could be wrong.
Have people here seen whether TJD can jump off one foot easily? That was an interesting question he raised in the video.
He also talked about how the fans are saying the Dubs gave up on Wiseman too early are the same ones already declaring Podz a bust and they can’t have it both ways.
Didn’t know Wiseman Island is still inhabited. I figured the the flora and fauna were already re-claiming the abandoned structures.
> He also talked about how the fans are saying the Dubs gave up on Wiseman too early are the same ones already declaring Podz a bust and they can’t have it both ways.
I usually find him insightful but this point (which I saw yesterday) was underwhelming. People who like Wiseman liked, among other things, his athleticism. It makes perfect sense that they might have doubts about Podz. And people who disliked Wiseman complained about his BBIQ (their words, not mine). It makes perfect sense that they would be likely to like Podz. So he's mistaken, because its almost like the more you like Wiseman, the more doubt you are likely (not certainly, LIKELY) to have about Podz, and vice versa. No one is "having it both ways"; in fact, everyone is being perfectly consistent when they have hope about one and doubt about the other.
EDIT: Granted, it is waaaayyyyyyyyyyy too early to be calling anybody a bust.
That's a great point about it making sense that different groups of people would like one and not the other. But I think that still goes along with AA's point. Which is that people who say young players who aren't there yet need to be given multiple NBA seasons to develop, and then turn around and use bad shooting in a week and a half of summer league games as evidence that a player will NEVER play well in the NBA, are applying two comically different standards. A standard of patience to players they naturally like, and a standard of knee-jerk almost instantaneous rejection to players they don't like.
That's the "having it both ways" he's referring to, I think.
> Which is that people who say young players who aren't there yet need to be given multiple NBA seasons to develop, and then turn around and use bad shooting in a week and a half of summer league games as evidence that a player will NEVER play well in the NBA, are applying two comically different standards.
That's a good point, too. Yeah, that's pretty funny (ha-ha and "what?" funny). I have my doubts about Podz, and did at the draft. But he needs (and in my view DESERVES, like all young players) time and an opportunity to develop. Given that opportunity, he could very well prove my doubts wrong. I hope he does, and does it wearing a Dubs uniform.
Elon Musk already gloating about Bronny, blaming the vaccine. 😞
What the FUCK is wrong with people?
Too much money for accountability, manners, taste, etc. No one should be that rich; it destroys them and lets them wreak havoc in the process.
Musk is a tool, but lots of people at all wealth levels are also tools.
I don't think it's money ... some people either just never develop much sense of empathy, or just feel that if it's not happening to them, it's not important. I don't understand it.
People at all levels of wealth are tools, but Musk's level of wealth gives him a greater platform and alienates some of the social elements that would otherwise check his ego
> some people either just never develop much sense of empathy, or just feel that if it's not happening to them, it's not important. I don't understand it.
Nice to see the idea that people should speak up about issues even if they are not directly affected is accepted here.
? This went whizzing right by me.
I think PG is trying to say that Musk's inane anti-human ideas are as valid as anyone else's and should be "accepted here."
EDIT: Apparently it was not a sarcastic comment. Apologies.
No, I'm just giving a shout out to TwoRingTest's point . . . a point I made a few days ago (that people can (should, and do) care about things that are "not about them") and got shouted down by several posters. It is always satisfying when one's wisdom becomes common wisdom--even if no one gives you credit for having that wisdom before it was accepted.
Not exactly sure what PG’s point was, but just to clarify my own: it’s not so much that I begrudge Musk’s or anyone else’s concerns about potential adverse health effects of the covid vaccine. It’s more about the complete lack of empathy it shows to voice those concerns as a quasi-political statement in a public forum just moments after an 18 y.o. young man has nearly died in what world have been a horrific tragedy.
But as DFiB notes below, I guess I’m kind of guilty of a similar thing by taking Musk’s bait, so I’ll move on. Most importantly: get well soon, Bronny.
Sleepy... you're old enough that you shouldn't be surprised by this... I know he's landed his stupid space ship on your lawn, but stop yelling at him.
I still think Omari Spellman is good
He just scored 53 points against the San Miguel Beermen in Korea a few months ago, so he's doing alright!
I just re-watched the highlight of him dunking on the T-wolves, specifically Jordan Bell. The line-up was Ky Bowman, Smailagic, Paschall, Jacob Evans and Spellman. Looks like Wiggs sitting on the Minny bench too. What a time capsule in that single highlight.
I was an Omari believer too. I was sorry they traded him away as salary ballast...
I don't even remember how me made his exit.. kind of just disappeared after that season ended.
He was in the Wiggins/Russell trade. I had to look it up to be sure lol.
That midrange jumper was clean.
Steph Curry Reflects on a Complicated Warriors Season | Real Ones | The Ringer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgaozygIhFQ
(Video snippet from the recent podcast)
In other non-Warriors basketball news (prayers up for Bronny), Jaylen Brown and the Celtics agreed to a supermax extension today. Smart move? Desperation?
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38067889/jaylen-brown-celtics-agree-record-5-year-304m-supermax-extension
They got rid of all the Smarts on their team so they could do this deal. What % of the cap are they investing in a guy that plays theoretical defense, doesn’t really pass teammates open, and can’t dribble?
I don't think he's worth this much money.
I don't think he's worth the money, but this may be like the Ws signing Poole. Even if he's not worth it, they preserve control of the asset and figure they might trade him later if he doesn't progress. At least they don't lose him for nothing.
At $60M a year? That's a trade positive? Basketball confounds me sometimes. To me it seems like a guaranteed albatross, but what do I know.
Probably allows them to trade for Durant the next time he's disgruntled, along with a contract no one wants. Or maybe Dame.
I agree: It's crazy.
I feel like if you are giving someone a supermax they should be the best or second best player on your team, and I don't think Brown is better than Derrick White (wrote out his full name because if you exclude the word Derrick it reads kinda fucked up).
Brown is way better than D.White. Not even close.
Don't know if he's worth a supermax though.
White's better imo
EDIT:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/
White #10 in full season RAPTOR, Brown 73rd
https://dunksandthrees.com/epm
White #31 in EPM, Brown 46th
https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-database/
White with a 2.41 LEBRON, Brown with a .81
Not even close though?
Brown is an average-ish rebounder and defender; mediocre shooter and FT shooter; and poor passer and ball handler. Over his career the Cs have been about the same with him on the bench v on the floor.
5/$304M blows my mind.
Guy who used to post a lot of analytical stuff on GSOM who I thought was pretty insightful (believe his username was greencurry) who is now on Twitter posted some of his thoughts on it as well. I can't say I'm familiar with "stabilized On Court Offensive Rating" but Brown doesn't appear to fare well in that either. Had some other points I found interesting as well.
https://twitter.com/2g3c0/with_replies
Now if only I could figure out what GSOM legend Spider Jerusalem's social media handle was.
Still pining for a JAE, OZ, or onlxn comeback myself...
What does this have to do with comparing him to White?
Not about the White comparison per se; just noting Jaylen’s fairly significant limitations as a player.
I don't think the Celtics will ever get to the mountain top until they find someone to settle the kids down in crunch time. I thought Brogdon was that guy but I guess not.
Brogdon got hurt late in the year and played hurt in the playoffs; before that he seemed to be working out great.
As much as I like Jaylen Brown, that contract is going to be an albatross for them. Maybe they will ship him out next year when Tatum gets a slightly more historic supermax extension? I can't imagine having two current supermax guys at the same time under the CBA as it exists. Yikes.
That's MVP money. Brown is good but he's not MVP good. Prove me wrong, Jaylen.
He’ll only be 31 in the final year though.
Yep, he's great, and he's in the prime of his career. The Celtics will be spending somewhere around $110 to $130 million a year for two players when Tatum's extension kicks in in 25-26 through 28-29 when Brown alone will be making $69.1 million.
Have to remember the salary cap is rising quickly these next few years. The lux tax threshold will already be ~$210M in 26/27, 2nd apron at ~$230M, so that will be ~55% of lux tax threshold tied up in two players, which is a lot, but not that outlandish... that's the equivalent of ~$83M compared to 22/23 threshold. The Clippers and Warriors exceed this (Warriors by a lot), a few other teams are relatively close with their top two players.
That Jordan Poole contract will look cheaper and cheaper as the years go along... and Dray will be legit bargain by the end of his, even at 36 or whatever age he's gonna be.
It will be normalized soon and I'm not sure what the better alternative is. The Suns are going to be paying Durant and Devin Booker $110M in 25-26. Jamal Murray will get an extension and then he and Jokic will have crazy contract numbers together.
You know who's going to be good? The Celtics from 25-26 to 28-29 with Brown and Tatum in their prime. It will be a challenge to build a championship roster, but their floor will be so high. They'll just need to nail some value contracts, but that is true of anyone.
Players demanding the super max if eligible or risk them being offended and leaving the team is gonna end a lot of teams championship aspirations.
If ur reading this Crusty, Inoue cmon man has to be Top 2 p2p right now although I think Fulton was overrated coming in but he absolutely destroyed him
Didn't see this before I posted downthread, Inoue is def #1 P4P right now, and you know I'm an Usyk fanboi. Fulton is a solid fighter and Naoya just made him look average. Monster for real. Most exciting fighter since Manny.
I still think 126 will give Inoue his first real tests. About three boxers with very unorthoDox styles. Tapales looked hella nervous post fight lol like dead man walking
Yeah Inoue wipes the floor with Tapales
I guess I always wanted us to have that special big guy we so rarely had (Bogut being one of the few). I tell you it's the curse of Robert Parish! So I especially felt irrationally good about bigs.
I was notoriously high on Wiseman long after it was rational but everybody here knows that! I had plans to expand the bar on Wiseman Island right up until he was traded, which arguably is as irrational as it gets.
I felt irrationally good about Chris Gatling, loved his energy. I felt irrationally good about Anthony Randolph, which at that point was mostly desperation. I felt irrationally good about Joe Smith but at least I had an excuse: We both attended U. of MD, although I was there long before he was.
Recently, I was super-high on Jordan Bell starting when he was at Oregon and I still don't understand why he washed out, the hotel charges stuff was so weird. His athleticism and defensive potential stood out - such potential as a rim-running big.
I was so pumped for the Omri Casspi signing and then he barely cracked the rotation and weirdly stopped shooting 3s?
Historically - Anthony Morrow - had to feel like he was just before his time - I feel like he's would've gotten paid if he was playing now. The other Anthony - Randolph, too, but he was a 1st round pick so not sure that counts.
I was very high on Gilbert Arenas from watching him in college and was right about that one.
Growing up, I talked myself into Tom Gugliotta after the botched Webber trade...that did not work out.
I didn't think of JB's problem as a lack of toughness (although maybe so) but more that he was perpetually immature. I never felt irrationally good about Bell anyway, more "wait and see." I liked Chris Boucher better but didn't feel irrationally good about him, as he was recovering from injury when we had him, and the timing was wrong.