Whether you agree or disagree with the Golden State Warriors’ moves at the trade deadline this year, it’s impossible to refute the fact that owner Joe Lacob and his front office are chasing a return to the top of the NBA pantheon with every tool in their arsenal.
So it shouldn’t be at all surprising that the Warriors pivoted away from freshly acquired young star, D’Angelo Russell, before getting a chance to look at him playing alongside the team’s biggest stars. Under the previous ownership, it’s likely Russell would have stayed. A well-liked, exciting, young player that could put the ball in the basket, Russell embodied the “It’s a great time out!” marketing that has become symbolic of the institutional ennui under Chris Cohan .
But not Joe Lacob. This is not a man who is content to bring together the Brady Bunch cast of characters just because it’s convenient. His vision, at the heart of the rebirth of this franchise, has always been to aim big and go bigger.
So Russell (and half of the roster) were jettisoned from the Light Years mother ship, which now turns it’s attention fully towards building for the future.
Lacob discusses the Wiggins trade, and Warriors priorities moving forward
Joe Lacob spoke with NBC Sports Bay Area's Greg Papa on Monday night prior to the team’s loss to Andre Iguodala’s new team, the Miami Heat. There were some interesting tidbits that offer insight into Golden State’s plans and priorities - especially for fans still working to understand the flurry of activity that landed Andrew Wiggins in the Warriors blue and gold jersey.
"We were hoping it was Brooklyn if [Durant] left, and the reason is that we knew that D'Angelo [Russell] was a possibility in a sign-and-trade. That was really our only possibility of getting something back with Kevin Durant leaving.
"I was really elated -- not to lose Kevin Durant -- I was elated that he went where he went at the time, so that would give us the optionality."
So the first part of understanding the Warriors’ moves this season starts with the notion that when all NBA talent, Kevin Durant left the team, they were put into a reactionary cycle of events.
Due to the NBA’s byzantine salary cap rules and structure, once a team is far enough over the salary cap (like the Warriors are/were) they can’t add significant new player salaries - with some exceptions. As Lacob points out, one of those exceptions is the sign-and-trade option, which allows two teams to trade players, while the incoming player signs a new contract extension with their new team.
The NBA arms race is about acquiring top tier talent. With extremely limited draft tools due to a decade of dominating the league, Golden State was fortunate that Durant chose a team with a young promising player on a similar level of contract. If it wasn’t Russell, it was nothing.
Now, should the team have taken that option?
The Toronto Raptors lost an all NBA talent when Kawhi Leonard departed, and took no additional moves to fill the hole he left. The Raptors are 2nd in the Eastern Conference and winners of their last 15 games.
Regardless, the Warriors took Russell.
But why not hang on to him? Why not take enough time to see what Russell looked like alongside the Splash Brothers when Klay Thompson returns next season?
Well, Lacob implied that this trade wasn’t as much about giving up on Russell as it was about getting a draft pick - and a good one - for the draft in two years. Again, from NBC Sports Bay Area’s transcript of Lacob’s Monday interview:
"I can honestly say I thought we were gonna end up waiting until June, before the draft," Lacob admitted. "But that's because we weren't able to get the deal we wanted up to the trade deadline. It didn't really happen until Wednesday night, Thursday morning, when we were able to put together a deal that we liked, which not only included Andrew Wiggins -- a great positional fit for us and a player that we liked all along -- but also the Minnesota first-round pick in 2021.
"We never wanted 2020. We wanted 2021."
"We already had a high pick in 2020 and it's not considered the greatest draft," Lacob explained. "But 2021, considered a very good draft. So, that was the key. It wasn't about multiple picks. It was about that pick."
So now the Warriors move forward into the upcoming offseason with Wiggins, and a handful of extra picks - one of which is the highly coveted 2021 pick (top 3 protected) - which turns into a 2022 pick with no protections if it doesn’t convey in 2021.
In understanding the trade for Wiggins, it is about the specific draft package, but the Warriors also saw a systemic barrier that may have served as an insurmountable obstacle in the chase for a new wing player to fill the void left by the departures of Durant and Iguodala - two of the best wing players to ever play the game.
Here’s Lacob in a different interview, recently telling Tim Kawakami of The Athletic those “3 and D” wings everyone wants are getting harder and harder to come by.
“We’ve looked at every small-forward possibility,” Lacob said. “Look, everybody knows we needed to refill that position. We looked at everything in free agency, we looked at the draft. An enormous amount of time. You can look at it yourself. Free agency? There’s … nothing really that you’re going to be able to get.
“And the draft is not going to help us next year. And we’re in a championship window for the next two years, I believe. Competing for it, anyway. So at the end of the day, we thought he was a pretty good opportunity, pretty good player to get. We were always looking at him. But it had to be the right deal.”
Again, Wiggins may not have been the top choice here, but given the options, the team was more than happy to give it a shot. In a crisis, choosing the best option from among a bunch of imperfect options can be the difference between survival and failure; for Golden State, standing still has never been the preferred option under Lacob’s leadership team.
Whether the Warriors package Wiggins (or someone else) with that 2021 pick and make another strike at a big name free agent, or decide to stand pat and see what they can organically build via the draft, rest assured, Joe Lacob and his front office have a plan.
In fact, they probably don’t just have a plan, they have a bunch of plans, all built around dodging and weaving between various contingencies.
The dub's seem to bring out the best in players that come here. That's chemistry which is crucial. The club's management and leadership get this Does anyone think that Dramond would have had the same impact playing for a different team?
I'm confident that Wiggins will be solid after watching him defend against LeBron.
I think the plan was always to trade Dlo in the 2020 offseason. Dlo was acquired to be the interim 2 guard while Klay was out. A one year rental. The expectation was that a starting lineup of Dray+Steph+Dlo+Looney+GR3 was good enough to get to the playoffs, maybe the 2nd round, and entertain the Chase Center fans. At season's end, move Dlo for someone who makes more sense next to Klay.
Then Steph got hurt. Looney was hurt. Even Dray and Dlo missed a lot of time. That starting lineup never even saw the floor, and the original plan was kaput. If you're not making a playoff push, the Dlo rental no longer makes sense. Why not swap Dlo for a potential long-term piece/development project, plus a good pick?
On top of that, Myers and Lacob are not in the business of screwing over their players. They're not Danny Ainge. They're not GarPax. They wanted to do right by Dlo, send him where he wanted to go. Dlo made it clear that playing on the TWolves with KAT was something he actually wanted to do. They may very well have had a more interesting offer than Wiggins plus a pick, but doing right by Dlo earns them some goodwill from whatever free agents they may want to sign in the future.
For all of Mark Jackson flaws the one thing he did well was implemented a defensive mind set . I remember he would run 5 on 5’s with the points made by stopping the other team from scoring , hope Kerr dose something similar
> The Toronto Raptors lost an all NBA talent when Kawhi Leonard departed, and took no additional moves to fill the hole he left. The Raptors are 2nd in the Eastern Conference and winners of their last 15 games.
The Warriors lost an all-NBA talent to free agency, another one to an ACL tear, and a third (for most of the season) to a broken hand. No amount of roster shuffling is going to make up for that.
(Technically, they could have chosen not to renew Klay's contract since it happened after his injury, but on a human level that would be just unbearably harsh in the situation, and long-term foolish even if it saved them money this season.)
In Dub Nation, we've lived it, but it's still hard to fathom just how much this team has lost to reach this point.
I still say in a vacuum, it's a poor trade. The Russell is better and Wiggins is harder to trade.
But, now that I've cooled off, I'm all about the championship window. With Wiggins better fitting skillset makes, this trade further mortgages our future, which I'm more than happy to to do maximize the last years of Splash.
The thing with all this talk about Wiggins and "fit" - it really depends on what he does defensively. Physically he's a better fit, yes, but that assumes he uses those physical tools to do more than Russell defensively...which is something he'll have to prove. Offensively I'm honestly not sure Wiggins is a better fit at all. Yes, Russell likes to have the ball in his hands, but he was making some nice progress in his ability off the ball, he's a pretty good shooter (better than Wiggins), and he can essentially fill our backup primary ballhandler role...offensively there's actually a lot to like about how Russell fit here. It's the defensive fit that was the problem, but it may be just as much a problem with Wiggins, we'll see.
i think, even now, wiggins is a better defender than russell. wiggins' defensive raptor is -2, which is pretty bad, but russell's is a whopping -4. plus, bad defense from a wing (more important defensive position) should be more impactful, which should reduce the stats even more.
of course, that's meaningless if he can't bridge the gap on offense or improve on defense, and really just splitting hairs between a bad and very bad defender.
Maybe we should try and trade down in the draft and get Isaac Okoro - he sounds like a future lockdown wing defender. I'm still bummed we missed out on Thybulle.
Well it was about 2020 when they started doing all the deals for Burks, GRIII, Spellman, and WCS, until it wasn't. And whatever aspirations they had for 2020 (and they did), were slammed shut by Steph's injury. Joe can spin it anyway he wants, but he would have been just fine with a playoff team for season one at Chase.
I'm excited about Wiggins - he's so much better a fit than Russell - seems to have the athletic skills to play defense. Furthermore, it will test the Front Office and coaching staff to maximize Wiggie's fully potential, along with that of high draft pick Chriss. Testing their ability to do that is pretty cool in its own right.
Hats off to Lacob, he has a plan and we have to trust it. Personally, I wasn’t overjoyed that the team traded D’Lo for Wiggins but Lacob is right, it fit positional wise if nothing else. Dubs needed a wing and Wiggins bring something to the table. Defensively he’s questionable (putting it politely) but offensively he can be another option to look at both on the wing and inside. D’Lo wouldn’t have fit with Steph and Klay, he wouldn’t have had the ball in his hand as much as he would have needed to make an impact on the team. Let’s face it, if Steph can’t do it with the ball in his hand then Russell could never. Worst case, we trade Wiggins with a 1st rounder in the future; best case, Warriors draft Wiseman, roll with It until the trade deadline or draft next year and make moves for another star. It’s going to be tough to watch but it’s going to be worth it in the long run.
Reading what Lacob has been saying and talking offline with the rest of the writer crew about the Wiggins trade has helped me realize that I was framing the relevant values all wrong in my initial trade reactions.
Lacob and the front office definitely have a plan. I think once they realized DLo was going to be a problem integrating into our roster, they immediately pivoted to just looking at DLo as a value-holding vehicle that they could use to net them a viable legit wing, or a high draft pick in 2021. Truly light years sort of planning - I will learn to not question these guys at some point in my life!
Yeah, they really are moving in ways that are above a basic understanding of things. I initially had no proper read on the three levels that this trade succeeded at: positional fit, repeater tax and 2021 draft strength. I'm still bummed about Spellman, and still curious if GRIII is close to what Wiggins is, but the more I read about and understand things, the more it seems the team is a lot stronger now heading into the future.
I also think that some of those guys are not necessarily gone forever.
It looks like Spellman may get cut, and though we can't re-acquire him this season, he's probably going to be around and interested in coming back to training camp next season. They cut Chriss and re-signed him, so maybe that's a path open to some of these other guys.
I turned into a pretty big Glenn Robinson homer. He's probably a fair bit more likely to get picked up, but I am sure the Warriors are keeping an eye on him as well for next year.
I thought if he gets waived and nobody claims him off the waiver, then we can hire him even this season (as long it fits LT line). But I am most probably wrong.
Man, if they were able to get both those guys again, I would be full on believing in contending. GRIII is at the very least a serviceable Wiggins backup, and Spellman as a stretch 4/5 is such a wonderful thing to have at certain points in various games.
Sadly, I had to abandon the whole "Joe Lacob as the anti Mike Brady" story when that photoshop (MS Paint) task was clearly too far beyond my skill level to pull off.
Jokes aside, we are working on templates for guys like me. Thanks for bearing with us as we work out some of the starting wrinkles!!
Ooh. I've actually used gimp in the past for some printmaking art projects (mostly putting in layers and making the background opaque); but yeah I should take a look at it.
Paint.NET ( www.getpaint.net ) is a lot easier to use than GIMP (trust me, I've used both a lot) and fairly capable. Certainly beats the pants off MS Paint.
The dub's seem to bring out the best in players that come here. That's chemistry which is crucial. The club's management and leadership get this Does anyone think that Dramond would have had the same impact playing for a different team?
I'm confident that Wiggins will be solid after watching him defend against LeBron.
I think the plan was always to trade Dlo in the 2020 offseason. Dlo was acquired to be the interim 2 guard while Klay was out. A one year rental. The expectation was that a starting lineup of Dray+Steph+Dlo+Looney+GR3 was good enough to get to the playoffs, maybe the 2nd round, and entertain the Chase Center fans. At season's end, move Dlo for someone who makes more sense next to Klay.
Then Steph got hurt. Looney was hurt. Even Dray and Dlo missed a lot of time. That starting lineup never even saw the floor, and the original plan was kaput. If you're not making a playoff push, the Dlo rental no longer makes sense. Why not swap Dlo for a potential long-term piece/development project, plus a good pick?
On top of that, Myers and Lacob are not in the business of screwing over their players. They're not Danny Ainge. They're not GarPax. They wanted to do right by Dlo, send him where he wanted to go. Dlo made it clear that playing on the TWolves with KAT was something he actually wanted to do. They may very well have had a more interesting offer than Wiggins plus a pick, but doing right by Dlo earns them some goodwill from whatever free agents they may want to sign in the future.
For all of Mark Jackson flaws the one thing he did well was implemented a defensive mind set . I remember he would run 5 on 5’s with the points made by stopping the other team from scoring , hope Kerr dose something similar
> The Toronto Raptors lost an all NBA talent when Kawhi Leonard departed, and took no additional moves to fill the hole he left. The Raptors are 2nd in the Eastern Conference and winners of their last 15 games.
The Warriors lost an all-NBA talent to free agency, another one to an ACL tear, and a third (for most of the season) to a broken hand. No amount of roster shuffling is going to make up for that.
(Technically, they could have chosen not to renew Klay's contract since it happened after his injury, but on a human level that would be just unbearably harsh in the situation, and long-term foolish even if it saved them money this season.)
In Dub Nation, we've lived it, but it's still hard to fathom just how much this team has lost to reach this point.
Here's an idea for a subscriber perk: A special side channel for proposing corrections to typos in the articles? (I'm mostly serious about this.)
The one that got me, this article, is:
> ...the Light Years mother ship, which now turns it’s attention...
should be "its attention"
I still say in a vacuum, it's a poor trade. The Russell is better and Wiggins is harder to trade.
But, now that I've cooled off, I'm all about the championship window. With Wiggins better fitting skillset makes, this trade further mortgages our future, which I'm more than happy to to do maximize the last years of Splash.
Teams have yet to be better with Russell on the floor. That is not the case with Wiggins.
The thing with all this talk about Wiggins and "fit" - it really depends on what he does defensively. Physically he's a better fit, yes, but that assumes he uses those physical tools to do more than Russell defensively...which is something he'll have to prove. Offensively I'm honestly not sure Wiggins is a better fit at all. Yes, Russell likes to have the ball in his hands, but he was making some nice progress in his ability off the ball, he's a pretty good shooter (better than Wiggins), and he can essentially fill our backup primary ballhandler role...offensively there's actually a lot to like about how Russell fit here. It's the defensive fit that was the problem, but it may be just as much a problem with Wiggins, we'll see.
i think, even now, wiggins is a better defender than russell. wiggins' defensive raptor is -2, which is pretty bad, but russell's is a whopping -4. plus, bad defense from a wing (more important defensive position) should be more impactful, which should reduce the stats even more.
of course, that's meaningless if he can't bridge the gap on offense or improve on defense, and really just splitting hairs between a bad and very bad defender.
Maybe we should try and trade down in the draft and get Isaac Okoro - he sounds like a future lockdown wing defender. I'm still bummed we missed out on Thybulle.
Light Years
I didn't realize that the Iguodala trade pick is 'Bronny-protected'
"2024 first round draft pick to Memphis
Golden State's 1st round pick to Memphis protected for selections 1-4 in 2024 and 1 in 2025 and unprotected in 2026 [Golden State-Memphis, 7/7/2019]"
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
Well it was about 2020 when they started doing all the deals for Burks, GRIII, Spellman, and WCS, until it wasn't. And whatever aspirations they had for 2020 (and they did), were slammed shut by Steph's injury. Joe can spin it anyway he wants, but he would have been just fine with a playoff team for season one at Chase.
Wasn't he talking about the draft pick in the Wiggins trade?
Retroactive framing.
"one of which is the highly coveted 2021 pick with no protections." Top 3, no?
yeah, if it doesn't convey, 2022 is unprotected
oops, let me fix that. Yes, correct - I got the years wrong
thank you!!
I'm excited about Wiggins - he's so much better a fit than Russell - seems to have the athletic skills to play defense. Furthermore, it will test the Front Office and coaching staff to maximize Wiggie's fully potential, along with that of high draft pick Chriss. Testing their ability to do that is pretty cool in its own right.
Hats off to Lacob, he has a plan and we have to trust it. Personally, I wasn’t overjoyed that the team traded D’Lo for Wiggins but Lacob is right, it fit positional wise if nothing else. Dubs needed a wing and Wiggins bring something to the table. Defensively he’s questionable (putting it politely) but offensively he can be another option to look at both on the wing and inside. D’Lo wouldn’t have fit with Steph and Klay, he wouldn’t have had the ball in his hand as much as he would have needed to make an impact on the team. Let’s face it, if Steph can’t do it with the ball in his hand then Russell could never. Worst case, we trade Wiggins with a 1st rounder in the future; best case, Warriors draft Wiseman, roll with It until the trade deadline or draft next year and make moves for another star. It’s going to be tough to watch but it’s going to be worth it in the long run.
Reading what Lacob has been saying and talking offline with the rest of the writer crew about the Wiggins trade has helped me realize that I was framing the relevant values all wrong in my initial trade reactions.
Lacob and the front office definitely have a plan. I think once they realized DLo was going to be a problem integrating into our roster, they immediately pivoted to just looking at DLo as a value-holding vehicle that they could use to net them a viable legit wing, or a high draft pick in 2021. Truly light years sort of planning - I will learn to not question these guys at some point in my life!
Yeah, they really are moving in ways that are above a basic understanding of things. I initially had no proper read on the three levels that this trade succeeded at: positional fit, repeater tax and 2021 draft strength. I'm still bummed about Spellman, and still curious if GRIII is close to what Wiggins is, but the more I read about and understand things, the more it seems the team is a lot stronger now heading into the future.
I also think that some of those guys are not necessarily gone forever.
It looks like Spellman may get cut, and though we can't re-acquire him this season, he's probably going to be around and interested in coming back to training camp next season. They cut Chriss and re-signed him, so maybe that's a path open to some of these other guys.
I turned into a pretty big Glenn Robinson homer. He's probably a fair bit more likely to get picked up, but I am sure the Warriors are keeping an eye on him as well for next year.
I thought if he gets waived and nobody claims him off the waiver, then we can hire him even this season (as long it fits LT line). But I am most probably wrong.
Not if we trade them.
If traded and cut they can't come back till next season.
Man, if they were able to get both those guys again, I would be full on believing in contending. GRIII is at the very least a serviceable Wiggins backup, and Spellman as a stretch 4/5 is such a wonderful thing to have at certain points in various games.
I know, they are not the difference between contending and not contending, but I'm a little drunk right now.
DDD your photoshop skills are light-years.
Thank you very much.
Sadly, I had to abandon the whole "Joe Lacob as the anti Mike Brady" story when that photoshop (MS Paint) task was clearly too far beyond my skill level to pull off.
Jokes aside, we are working on templates for guys like me. Thanks for bearing with us as we work out some of the starting wrinkles!!
If you have any photoshop requests and give me enough lead time I'm happy to help out! Is there a way to DM you my info?
Not on here no, but hit me up on twitter?
@Punk_Basketball
Check out GIMP as an alternative to MS Paint. A free alternative to Photoshop with all the same tools.
Ooh. I've actually used gimp in the past for some printmaking art projects (mostly putting in layers and making the background opaque); but yeah I should take a look at it.
Paint.NET ( www.getpaint.net ) is a lot easier to use than GIMP (trust me, I've used both a lot) and fairly capable. Certainly beats the pants off MS Paint.
Don't mind the wrinkles at all. I'm playing the long game, like with the Dubs I see something better forming down the road...
Well-put.