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>Hearing talk of Memphis including Clarke in deals to try and move up and I hate the idea for Memphis. He was really good his rookie year! Last year was weird for everyone!

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1420396890789605377?s=20

Sounds like Grizzlies really want to move up.

How's Clarke's defense? Can he defend 3s and 4s, or will he be relegated to defending 5s?

Though, looks like his 3pt shot fell off a cliff his 2nd year, and he's got a weird form.

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What channel is usa bball on?

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Peacock App. If you xfinity, you get free sign in

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https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/hypothetical-harrison-barnes-warriors-kings-trade-discussed-zach-lowe

Low proposed Wiggins+7 for Barnes, Delon Wright and 9

I only saw the kings play the Warriors, so can’t say I’ve got strong opinions on Wright and Barnes’ current games.

Thoughts?

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I actually wouldn't mind that at all.

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Not a bad trade. The fact we get two players ready to play for Wiggins is not only a step up but keeps us in the draft, too! Wright definitely tips the scale towards the Warriors. I don't think Barnes is better than Wiggins but add in Wright and it is very attractive for us.

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Barnes would be much better for the warriors with curry and klay back

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I'd do that trade in a heartbeat. Barnes and Wiggins are basically interchangeable except Barnes is a little bit better at everything, the Warriors get some more "proven veteran Leadership" from Wright and still get a pick that most of us think will be indistinguishable from what they can get at 7.

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Barnes is a little bit better at everything?

Barnes blocks a shot once every blue moon.

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And Wright would be here with his brother

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Not to mention barnes knows our system already

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Do it asap, dont see why kings do it though

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Because they love Kuminga at 7, or someone like the other Barnes falls to us and they love him...plus Wiggins is a solid piece

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They’re supposed to be high on Wagner as well, and might feel the need to trade up to secure him.

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Kevin Pelton’s Big Board has… SENGUN as #1. Makes me feel better that DNHQ had Sengun and Moody as the finalists.

Other ratings of note

Giddey #5

Kuminga #7

These two rate highly due to young age.

MY GUY GARUBA #8

Wagner #9

Moody #10

Trey Murphy III #11 — with a name like that, of course he put all his ability points into Three Point Shooting, we don’t need dribbling

Barnes #13

Primo #14

Thor #15

Clearly Pelton’s models love the crap out of young age

Hyland #16

Kispert #17

Butler #26

Duarte #27

Bouknight #32

Mitchell #42

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Jul 28, 2021Liked by punk basketball

> MY GUY GARUBA #8

🎵 Garuba, Jamaica, oh I wanna pick ya 🎵

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Jul 28, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I was already sold on Garuba before watching his film session with Schmitz, but just hearing him talk about spacing and seeing the plays before they develop (on both sides of the ball) has really convinced me somebody cloned Draymond in a Spanish laboratory.

Also, the way he scratches his head reminds me of Dray during his post-game interviews...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSRAuFX-Tlg

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My guy Sengun finally getting the love he deserves.

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by punk basketball

These rankings are based on Givony's rank as well, the pure RWARP rankings have a top 5 of Sengun, Garuba, Giddey, Wagner, and Moody.

Seemingly likely Warriors pick James Bouknight has an RWARP ranking of 61, with an overall ranking of 32 thanks to his Givony ranking at 9.

Potential Warriors "steal at 14" Davion Mitchell has an RWARP ranking of 78, with an overall ranking of 42 thanks to his Givony ranking at 8.

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Oh and possible Warriors pick Jonathan Kuminga has a shockingly high RWARP ranking of 7. Was not expecting that, honestly.

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Apparently very heavy weight on age. If a 15 year old could put up horrible numbers in the G-League, they'd probably be the #1 pick. And... maybe that's correct, because if a 15 year old could somehow get playing time in the G-League, that's showing some incredible potential.

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Do factor in where the numbers come from, or Turkey, G-League, NCAA and Australia treated equally?

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I just realized I never published my Beat The Draft on LaMelo, where I dig into the comparative strength of the different leagues around the world. The most sophisticated public analysis does a linear rating of the strength of each league. But I am assuming internal team analytics go heavy on the eyeballs and could rate leagues by dimensions, like guard speed, amount of drives, other categories that are more thoughtful than that…

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I am interested in what your thoughts are about NBL v NBA. I went to the NBL game where LaMelo and RJ Hampton faced off. I walked away thinking RJ had the better game (mostly due defense), but LaMelo had the higher ceiling. LaMelo had a put-back that had the crowd gasping, it was apparent he could be competitive at NBA level due athleticism and ability to read dynamic play.

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Surely not. But I am thinking these projections may be overvaluing the overseas numbers. Will be a good test for those models.

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Does Lacob have any grandkids?

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Kevin O'Connor (TheRinger) latest mock draft: https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft?_ga=2.120932232.1226840718.1627315291-1738737644.1561502816 has the Warriors picking Giddey at 7 and Mitchell at 14.

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I’m as much a “in Bob we trust” person as anyone here. There are a lot of guys I’m already excited about, a few others where I need to just tell myself, “They know more than I do and if they’re excited about him, and comfortable with this guy’s question marks, I’m cool with it and welcome aboard, rook!”

If we come away with Giddey at 7 and Mitchell at 14, I’ll be really underwhelmed and will have a tough time getting excited about them. Neither one gives my nips even a tingle.

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Me, too. I've got Bouknight and Butler penciled in. I don't believe the Warriors will be reaching in this draft for players like Giddey and Sengun, both of whom I like.

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https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2020/

Here was O'Connor's 2020 mock draft (the blurbs are under the pick numbers). As one can see, the top picks are pretty well predicted but things get harder to predict as you get further in the draft.

Not to single him out though, same thing is true of a lot of mock drafts:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2917825-bleacher-reports-final-2020-nba-mock-draft

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Giddey:

"League sources don’t expect Davion Mitchell to be the selection here. Giddey is believed around the league to be one of the Warriors’ main targets, though Jonathan Kuminga and Keon Johnson, among others, are in the conversation. It’ll be interesting to see how the board falls if Giddey is indeed the pick, especially considering Memphis is reportedly into him at no. 10. For the Warriors, he could provide size and playmaking ability, valuable skills in an offense that shares the ball."

Mitchell:

"Mitchell may not end up falling this far, but his draft stock has certainly dropped with teams in the late lottery potentially favoring some younger players. Trades can change everything, too. But the Warriors would be fortunate to have him fall to this spot, as he’d provide ballhandling and tough defense off the bench."

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#Smokeszn

Moody and Wagner are the picks!!

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...Keon Johnson...

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I'd be thrilled if they went with Keon Johnson at 14 instead of some of the names I'm hearing.

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I wouldn't be mad either dude has crazy potential

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by punk basketball

His top 20:

Cade Cunningham

Jalen Green

Evan Mobley

Jalen Suggs

Scottie Barnes

James Bouknight

Josh Giddey

Jonathan Kuminga

Alperen Sengun

Moses Moody

Franz Wagner

Keon Johnson

Corey Kispert

Davion Mitchell

Usman Garuba

Trey Murphy

Cameron Thomas

Jalen Johnson

Chris Duarte

Kai Jones

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by Eric Apricot, punk basketball, Daniel Hardee

Just wanted to quickly say I really appreciate the kind reception I’ve received from the DNHQ community on my FA series. Glad it was able to spark such interesting discourse. Closing it out on a bit of a niche topic in two-ways (if you're not familiar with my content, niche topics are kind of my wheelhouse). But again, thank you for all the love, you guys have a great community here, and I look forward to hopefully contributing some more in the future!

In the meantime, you can follow me on Twitter (@GSWReddit) if you want to stay up to date on the Warriors’ finances and CBA logistics.

I also recently wrote a brief offseason primer taking a look at common questions like Oubre S&T options, Steph’s extension, etc. (https://gswreddit.medium.com/warriors-off-season-2021-primer-ef22e3a97ee3?source=friends_link&sk=40b66673540289dd40fc7b7818a1d102)

Additionally, I maintain a cap sheet that has info like the Warriors future salary outlook, guarantee/option dates, trade exceptions, draft picks, draft rights, minimum/MLE pro-rates, luxury tax calculator, etc. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aSo_Ni5pqrs6E9PbCZgfGKzq5qjklm60h6Ykw3lYSxE)

And lastly, if you ever have any CBA questions or anything I can help answer/clear up, feel free to DM me or @ me on Twitter. I check my mentions regularly and try to respond to every question.

💙💛

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Really great series, Perks! Thanks so much for sharing this series with all of us!

Here's hoping we dont all go (more) crazy on Thursday

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Great stuff!

I wanted to ask if you think Mannion has any chance of making the big team? I’ve been holding off on too much rosterbating until after draft, but watching some of his Olympics stuff, it’s clear he’s been studying under Professor Curry. If he keeps it up through summer league and camp, might there not be a role at the end of the bench as a guy who can eat minutes running the offense when guys are resting/hurt, garbage time or when Poole is facing a really pesky ball defender?

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I've been impressed with Mannion. He's still very young and has already shown plenty of flashes. However, I think ideally the Warriors make enough changes in the off-season, bringing in seasoned vets, where Mannion wouldn't be someone they would have to count on for more than some spot minutes here or there, in garbage time or in case of injury/certain situations. My expectation would be that Mannion is back on another two-way starting full time in the G League which I think will be really good for his development getting around 50 games under his belt. He needs consistent game time, high-level reps, to really hone his skills.

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee

Thank you for your contributions here. I've been to that cap sheet before and you are doing work that is very much appreciated!

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee

Great series, really balanced, lots of good detail. Not too homerish - I appreciate the realism. This series is my go-to source for watching trade activity this off-season. Thank you!

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Yoooo . . . Wagner claiming in interviews that he is 6'11 now. 6'11 plus his existing skillset of dribbling/shooting/passing/defense . . . thats pretty fire I'm not going to lie. I wouldn't mind him going at 7 for us if that really is the case.

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If he's 6'11 I'll probably take him over moody then get Duarte kispert at 14

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On a separate note, I've been thinking about the future of basketball lately. I was one of those "crazy" dudes calling for a versatile big man who can shoot/pass for a LONG TIME . While others preferred Shaq/Kareem/Walton/Wilt, I was always trumpeting Hakeem/Garnett (I'm a huge Garnett fan, way bigger than most people). It was this obsession which allowed for me to help predict the "next wave" of bigs which are dominating the game today.

Of course, I'm not saying I'm a genius, I completely whiffed in my prediction that PG's would become a thing of the past. I was certain that motion offenses which spread playmaking responsibilities would cause shorter PG's to die out being replaced by SF's like Lebron who could pass + C's like Garnett who could past (SF playmake from perimeter while C playmakes from post).

With that in mind, I'm curious what you guys think, whats the next "trend" in the NBA player archetypes/schemes?

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I don’t think your PG is all that wrong. I think there’s still a place for exceptional smaller guys like Tre, but teams are going to be looking for taller PGs like Lamelo. It’s why someone like Giddey, who has a lot of holes at this point, is getting so much attention.

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To put my previous position more broadly, I thought that a single player bearing the majority of the playmaking burden would become a thing of the past. My vision was that basketball would become a positionless enterprise (somewhat accurate prediction) where playmaking would come naturally within the flow of the offense.

If defined playmaking would occur at all, I thought it would come from centers who would survey offball action from the post and distribute accordingly. I thought that SF's that were the perfect brand of size/dribbling/passing would be the secondary playmakers, but thats not what has happened at all.

Instead, what has happened is that large perimeter playmakers (Harden/Giannis/Lebron/Doncic) are carrying most of the playmaking burden. . . like stars that other players orbit around. While portions of what I predicted have come to be: playmaking versatile stretch bigs + playmaking SF's . . . my larger predictions of their roles in the offense were completely off base.

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This is a pretty interesting analysis and, whether perfect or not, reflects the steady evolution of the NBA. The thing I'm wondering about is whether this model for success (large perimeter playmakers) is only possible with a small set of stars with extreme talent. In other words, are NBA teams playing two different games? Top teams have high motion offenses driven by large perimeter playmakers. Everyone else has weaker structures driven by lesser talents and more traditional approaches?

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Am I reading this correctly?

“Juan Toscano-Anderson was an undrafted free agent in 2015 who played three seasons overseas, followed by two seasons in the G League (both with the Santa Cruz Warriors) after which he would sign a non-guaranteed multi-year deal with the Warriors before being waived and re-signed on a two-way.”

So, after the big signing with the tearful call to mom, the Warriors waived him and put him back on a 2-way? Did I miss something?

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Yeah that's just their history up until the point they signed a two-way (which is the focus of the piece.) JTA has a fully guaranteed deal for next season. Lee has a non-guaranteed deal with a $500k partial trigger on 8/15.

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I think that's old news from last december when they did indeed waive JTA and then re-sign him to a 2-way. I was under the impression that his current deal is guaranteed.

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by Eric Apricot

Correct, he has a 2 year deal with 2021 guaranteed. Super happy for my former schoolmate, I just missed playing on the same high school team with him!

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Perks thank you for all the research you did for this series, and a double thanks for making all that knowledge easily digestible! This is great stuff

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by Daniel Hardee

💙💛

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee

Rec’d! Perks and recs, baby!

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need to permanently change your avatar to an eyeroll and groan

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Oh sure, criticize all you want. Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and make a contribution to help find a cure for dad humor.

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Just gave to the Society for Prevention of Eccentric Expressions of Dads Oppressing Subscribers (SPEEDOS)

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Please DON'T change your avatar to you wearing your SPEEDOS

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or a half thong

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Seconded!

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Jul 27, 2021Liked by punk basketball

We got Perks. ESPN got … Perk.

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Not hearing Kendrick is one of the perks of cutting cable and not watching ESPN.

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Jessup was always a long shot and letting him fulfill his NBL contract is a no brainer. He gets another year of professional experience on somebody else's dime, leaves a roster spot open for "proven veteran leadership" or another rookie and it doesn't start the clock on his NBA rookie deal when he probably wouldn't play very much. I'm not going to get too excited or lose much sleep over the 16th and 17th roster spots, but it's nice that they exist so they can similarly stash Mannion for another year.

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They can still bring him to camp for a look-see, right?

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Nope, only Summer League.

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Didn't know Spellman was still eligible. That would be a solid two-way addition.

Otherwise, I was always thinking the Warriors should try to grab a 2nd rounder and try get JT Thor or Charles Basset for a two way.

I guess my thinking is to use a two-way for bigman depth...

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I was really high on spellman I thought he looked great here with a lot of untapped potential still

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Taylor should have probably been in training camp last season after his performance in the Dubble but the Warriors probably wanted to see if his first season shooting 43% from three in the G-League was a fluke. He responded by shooting 43% from three in the G-League in his second season as well. Been intrigued by him for awhile.

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The amount of hype Spellman gets from Warriors fans for being an 18mpg player on a 15 win worst team in the league still shocks me.

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“Absolutely stunning”?

Whoa, we’re talking about the 16th or 17th man on the team here. I like him, but think it would be “stunning” if he made the 15-man and would have to be a regular rotation guy for me to be absolutely stunned.

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EP traded, Spellman fills the slot...solid upgrade at next to no cost

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