Warriors Trades, Yes or No? #2: Pascal Siakam, Wendall Carter Jr and Gary Harris, HOU #4 pick; plus open thread
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Warriors Trades, Yes or No? #2: Pascal Siakam, Wendall Carter Jr and Gary Harris, HOU #4 pick; plus open thread
Disclaimer: I did not invent or endorse these trades
In case you missed it:
Trade Poll 2023.05
GSW gets
Pascal Siakam
TOR gets
Jordan Poole
Jonathan Kuminga
2023 GSW 1st
2026 GSW 1st
2028 GSW 1st
via SD https://dubnationhq.com/p/trade-polls-1-lebron-james-jrue-holiday/comment/16534978
Who says no?
Apricot says: Intriguing all-in move. But that leaves GSW with no secondary point guard, and Siakam leaves you with the same spacing issues (career 32.7% 3P%) that plagued GSW in the 2023 playoffs, and that is a LOT of picks. I think it’s probably the value TOR expects for Siakam, but it’s too much. GSW says NO, TOR says YES.
Trade Poll 2023.06
GSW gets Wendall Carter Jr. and Gary Harris
ORL gets Jordan Poole
Who says no?
via tempprofile https://dubnationhq.com/p/trade-polls-1-lebron-james-jrue-holiday/comment/16533337
Apricot says: I was SO excited about that rumor in 2020 right before the draft of #2 for #4 and Wendell Carter Jr. If that was real, what a missed opportunity.
https://dubnationhq.com/p/instant-emergency-wendell-carter
WCJ is shaping into a somewhat stretchy big (35.6% 3P%) who is a good defender. Gary Harris is a competent role player guard. The problem remains with any Poole trade is that GSW will need a secondary ball handler who can put pressure on the rim. This makes any trade tricky. ORL says NO, GSW says NO.
Trade Poll 2023.07
GSW gets
2023 #4
2025 1st HOU
2027 1st HOU
Kevin Porter Jr
Jae’Sean Tate
Kenyon Martin Jr
HOU gets
Jordan Poole
Jonathan Kuminga
Who says no?
Apricot says: For value, this is a very intriguing trade. But for optimizing the next two years of Stephen Curry’s window, this is not an intriguing trade. As Slater says below, it could only make sense if some assets were flipped for a vet. HOU says NO (too much), GSW says NO.
Rockets receive: Jordan Poole and Jonathan Kuminga
Warriors receive: Kevin Porter Jr., Jae’Sean Tate, K.J. Martin, the No. 4 pick in 2023, Houston’s first-round picks in 2025 and 2027
Why Houston does this: I have to admit, of all of the proposed deals, I feel the least confident about this one. Poole’s stock is down some after an underwhelming postseason run. But all things considered, he had a tough season and might benefit from a change of scenery. At his best, he’s one of the game’s brightest young guards with in-the-gym range, a sweet handle, underrated playmaking and a knack for scoring. Kuminga seems to have fallen victim to Golden State’s win-now mode and hasn’t been able to develop at the rate they’ve expected, but he’s also a talented, physical forward who can guard multiple positions. His potential should pique anyone’s interest.
Can Poole mesh with Jalen Green? That’s a question Houston’s brass would have to deliberate on, but I would trust that Udoka could get the best out of both of them in a Rockets backcourt. Poole is scheduled to make $27 million next season, but, because of the outgoing contracts of Porter and Tate — plus Houston’s boatload of cap space — the Rockets could still be big players in free agency with roughly $60 million to spend.
Anthony Slater (Warriors/NBA writer): It’s an intriguing offer, especially if the Warriors’ scouting department loves somebody at the fourth spot — or if Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller escape the top three. The problem is it creates the same sort of problem the Warriors are trying to solve, flipping youth for youth. They have an urgent need for players who are ready to contribute to title-winning in Steph Curry’s fading window. Kuminga hasn’t been yet. Poole flamed out spectacularly in the playoffs and is about to get expensive. Would Porter, Martin, Tate and whoever they get at four give more in any given series? Maybe. Tate has some defensive qualities that could translate. Then, maybe you could re-route Porter and the fourth pick for an established veteran. It’s at least an offer, from a value perspective, the Warriors would have to debate internally.
Your trade ideas?
I’m willing to poll your plausible trade ideas, but my one condition is that the trades be specific and cap-legal (try it out at fanspo.com). So, no vague concepts like “Poole and picks and young guys for a veteran big”.
Warriors Trades, Yes or No? #2: Pascal Siakam, Wendall Carter Jr and Gary Harris, HOU #4 pick; plus open thread
I like the Pascal trade but three 1sts is too much. Two, tops. He doesn’t guarantee a title Or definitively move to a top 2 in West.
I’d take Wendell from Magic, but they won’t. I like idea of trying for like Joathan Isaac, and (Fultz or Cold Anthony). Buy low on an elite defender, and get a guard.
Rockets trade is good value. Don’t know why they’d do it. Poole and Green is a terrible mix. if something like that happened the Warriors need to flip those for something more present
Ok found a trade that might be possible:
Poole to Magic for Fultz.
Saves $, gets a switchable player that actually passes and dribbles the ball, but also one that misses lots of games so other players will get playing time.