Man, looking at almost-Warriors still looking for a break, LIL 6'2 MAC MCLUNG ''energizer'' never went for overseas $$$, still playing in G-LEAGUE...doing 20.4 ppg, 5.4 assists, 3.9 rebs...talk about busting your butt for peanuts pursuing your NBA dream...
4 of the top 10 most used are 3 guard lineups, including Hield/Payton. (Although you can and I will argue that GP2 is a Centaur, half guard/half power forward).
These 4 (3 guard) lineups are 1,2,3,4 in Points per 100 possessions in this group of 10 by a WIDE MARGIN.
In all cases, Hield and GP2 are tied at the hip because Steve has to have a POA defender on the floor (with Curry/Hield). Thus, this group eats into small forward minutes, takes food off of Moody's plate and pushes Wiggs to the 4 and takes food off of JK's plate.
But it is cashing out in points per 100 which is why we will continue to see it, despite Hield playing pin the tail on the donkey with a basketball.
Another interesting 5-man stat. The 5th MOST USED group is Curry-Wiggs-JK-Dray-TJD. This was Steve's starting lineup the 1st 3 games. I thought it was a terrible idea and, apparently, after 3 days, so did Steve, since we haven't seen that group since. This goes to show how badly our lineups are in need of some continuity. We are 47 games in and this 5-man group was only on the court together for the 1st 3 games AND IT IS STILL #5 in most used (minutes) for 5-man combinations.
Sorry, but our lineups are what I would call a hot mess. Schroder has taken 20+ games to start looking decent. Is adding anyone at this point of the season going to do anything?
If anyone has kids, ever have that moment when your house is an absolute horrifying mess, and a colleague or friend call and says they are dropping by for some reason in about 5 minutes, and there is no way you can put your house in order in time? That's how I feel. Our house is not in order and, although I would be happy to see a new face, I am not going to have any expectation that they are going to roll up their sleeves and start cleaning our house. I feel for Schroder.
If anyone could play for two teams at once, it might be him. (But actually, I’m pretty sure the league said he would play for the All-Stars in that scenario.)
I'd watch the game if they were going to play a serious, competitive game with hard-nosed defense. Otherwise, I'm not interested no matter what gimmicks the NBA comes up with.
Ty did what all the hired guns the Dubs employ every year do: played himself into a hella-nice contract with another team. I'm sure they were sad to see him snapped up. I know I was.
Amen. Smart kid for his years. When he said about STEPH, ''HE IS THE 'SYSTEM''', I knew he was going places and wished for him all the best...no doubt, he has achieved that...Now, all he needs is a starting hole break; anywhere....
I (and likely many of us here) was out on Kerr when he was playing Ty and lamb at the expense of JK and Moody!
l think we (self and DNHQ) are partly validated as Anthony lamb will likely turn out to be Kerrs worst pet-player - but i was definitely wrong bout Ty Jerome - he is very good - and Kerr was on to something!
As far as I was concerned, Ty and Lamb were two separate issues. I liked Ty a lot and he was a very solid backup PG who really took charge of the offense.
Lamb was the o e taking minutes from the young guys.
In retrospect, Ty really wasn't stealing minutes since he is a backup PG (despite what BR says). Even I had Moody wrongly pegged as a 2G. But it was a bad look for sure.
lol...happens... My worst take was when I thought LOONS would never make it after those hip surgeries. MAN, WAS I WRONG. HE BECAME ''IRON MAN''; ALL HEART.
My worst take was thinking James Wiseman was a good pick at #2 and would be a star, given time to develop. I had visions of the next David Robinson, or almost that. Not hardly.
I watched all of DAVID’s home games at ANNAPOLIS. I was serving in MARYLAND at the time. I met him the 1st day he came to SAN ANTONIO after the SECRETARY OF THE NAVY released him after only 2 years of his 5 year obligation, as I, too, was on assignment in SAN ANTONIO. BIG DIFFERENCE IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT. DAVID had 4 YEARS OF COLLEGE under his belt and played for NAVY teams while in the SERVICE. Your EXPECTATIONS were totally unreasonable. Not alone, however, as there were many others. WISEMAN was a PROJECT; practically straight out of High School AND GOT HURT TRYING TO LIVE UP TO THEM TOO FAST. He needed several years to get there, though he exhibited superb skill sets for his experience and age.
And there’s Loon, Steph, and Gui… and TJD, Moody, and Schroder… and a pic with him in one of those Canadian “roots” sweatshirts. He’s getting traded to Toronto with all these guys? And so are Zach & LeBron. Are they gonna officially rename the city LeBronto?
Was there any kind of foul called whenever he took that hit? Man if that had happened to Shai during the game the refs would have drowned out the crowd with their whistles, stopped the game and awarded the win to OKC.
I think there’s a good chance you’re wrong. A guy who’s contributed so much to their winning, is a team leader and not highly valued in today’s market should have a home here as long as he plays.
We're looking at 19 at the worst. If we don't get kicked into the lottery, I don't want to miss on 6'10" (7'6" wingspan) PF/C Thomas Sorber or jumpy junior, 6'9" (7'5" wingspan) PF Rasheer Fleming. Don't care if the same position as JK. It's time to start getting bigger, longer and more athletic. Let's move from playing 3 guards all the time to playing 3 uber-athletic power forwards. I want the rim to be sweating.
>>>The San Antonio Spurs have registered interest in both Darius Garland and LaMelo Ball during previous transaction cycles, sources tell Jake Fischer. San Antonio is now linked to De'Aaron Fox, who has identified them as his preferred destination.
The Spurs called the Cleveland Cavaliers last June on Garland when they still owned the No. 4 and No. 8 pick in the draft. The Cavaliers did not reciprocate much interest in discussing a Garland trade at that time.
The Charlotte Hornets similarly never invited trade inquiries on Ball, who is having a bounce back 24-25 season.<<<
I'm okay with LaVine, but I only see him as a trade out with Wiggs at the 3. Better offense, yes. Defense? No. So how much better is the offense vs how much worse is the defense and is it worth and extra 14m a year? As good as he is, this move does seem like a sideways move, like changing lanes on the freeway in rush hour traffic. LaVine won't fix the back court issue (defense). Not saying it wouldn't be entertaining.
That's a big salary to take on though. Maybe worth it but if we're trading three players for him, we have to have money in the till to fill those salary slots. LaVine is under contract for next season at $46M and then has a player option the season after at $49M, so there's also the possibility that he'd be a 1.5-year rental and then be priced out of our reach.
Yes... Dray, Schröder, and Hield is very nice for us, but a lot of salary that Chicago has to keep on the books for next year. But maybe that's a feature for a tank job next year to have expiring contracts they could trade?
You’d be swapping Schröder and Hield for LaVine, and Dray for some combo of SloMo/Loon/Podz/Kuminga/Moody/Santos/Post.
We’re not talking about peak Dray. We’re talking about 35 y.o. Dray who has lost a bit on D, is putting up .530 TS, and may be starting to break down physically.
He’s still clearly our best center - 20 minutes a game. Tough.
I’d love a starting lineup that included Curry, ZL, Wiggs, and JK. What firepower. But I don’t see the Dubs parting with another of the big 3 - not without his explicit approval. Maybe find a 3 way deal that gets Dray to LA or Detroit?
That seems to me like the Warriors giving up Draymond Green as a player, and recognized team leader (and therefore his wealth of basketball knowledge). .. for nothing except the salary consideration ?
I think he is still way too valuable to this team, even if only as an elder statesman part time player.
He used to be a great two way player. Now he’s a good mostly one way player that’s injured a bit too often (due to being undersized for his position)… I’m with the Bill Walsh mentality here: trade him a year early instead of a year late
I'm not into it either. As underwhelming as Wiggs can be sometimes, his underwhelming is still really really good. And, could we just say screw it, keep Wiggs, play LaVine at the 2 and just forget about defense in the back court?
Steph-LaVine-Wiggs-JK-Dray?
I mean, whoa! I don't even know how to wrap my mitts around that. But if I am an opposing coach, I wouldn't be happy.
Dennis, GPII, SloMo, Buddy, Loon, and Waters (basically everyone but JK, Moody, Podz, TJD, and Gui). Get some min contracts back from either Chicago or a 3rd team, sign Post and Spencer to real contracts (no matter how short).
Tell us why Chicago does that and how you fill those roster spots and stay under the 1st tax apron. They have to have roster spots to accept all those players, so they have to send us some players, and that has to be factored into the salary matches.
Taking my Dubs hat off (or putting it on, depending on my mood), Draymond moving to the Pistons would be a really cool NBA story. Dray returns home to Michigan, to the tough rebuilding city of Detroit. He joins a young Pistons team that is arriving earlier than expected. He brings the veteran leadership, the high level IQ, the crazy-Dray that can short-circuit the brains of some guys in Boston. It would change the landscape of the Eastern Conference as the Pistons, with Draymond, would get a seat at the big boys table with Bos, Mil, & NYK.
At this stage in his career, what is in his head may be as valuable as what is left in his body. For the NBA as a whole, what sounds better. Draymond declining year after year until he can't tie his shoes any longer. Or a hero's welcome home, the veteran returns to help elevate the careers of the next generation of NBA stars.
There is no one like Dray and I could argue keeping him and moving him equally for days without end. But as an NBA fan, and a Draymond fan, doing something special with Cade & company would be a great cherry on the milkshake for his career.
The Warriors without Steph were a losing team. Detroit is rising, with several young stars in the making. Not comparable. And he's a devoted Michigander.
You must have noticed too that Detroit may be rebuilding but they have a path to the playoffs.
Have we litigated the whole "dunker's off hand touches defender's hand" thing? On GP2's dunk, he basically high fives Hartenstein with his off hand, and Hartenstein couldn't get his hands up effectively to attempt a block. Kinda feels like that could be an offensive foul, but it happens so much. Seems like they call it very subjectively and don't call a foul if they determine the contact to be "marginal", whatever that means...
The rules for what the offensive player can do basically go out the window on a dunk attempt. It’s always been that way that I can recall. Especially with a smaller player over a larger player.
It's not? I don't recall Baron getting called for a foul. I think they just called for all the king's horses and men to try to put Kirilenko back together.
Man, looking at almost-Warriors still looking for a break, LIL 6'2 MAC MCLUNG ''energizer'' never went for overseas $$$, still playing in G-LEAGUE...doing 20.4 ppg, 5.4 assists, 3.9 rebs...talk about busting your butt for peanuts pursuing your NBA dream...
Mac McCling
Interesting Stats
5-man combination with Curry and 3 guard lineups.
4 of the top 10 most used are 3 guard lineups, including Hield/Payton. (Although you can and I will argue that GP2 is a Centaur, half guard/half power forward).
These 4 (3 guard) lineups are 1,2,3,4 in Points per 100 possessions in this group of 10 by a WIDE MARGIN.
In all cases, Hield and GP2 are tied at the hip because Steve has to have a POA defender on the floor (with Curry/Hield). Thus, this group eats into small forward minutes, takes food off of Moody's plate and pushes Wiggs to the 4 and takes food off of JK's plate.
But it is cashing out in points per 100 which is why we will continue to see it, despite Hield playing pin the tail on the donkey with a basketball.
Another interesting 5-man stat. The 5th MOST USED group is Curry-Wiggs-JK-Dray-TJD. This was Steve's starting lineup the 1st 3 games. I thought it was a terrible idea and, apparently, after 3 days, so did Steve, since we haven't seen that group since. This goes to show how badly our lineups are in need of some continuity. We are 47 games in and this 5-man group was only on the court together for the 1st 3 games AND IT IS STILL #5 in most used (minutes) for 5-man combinations.
Sorry, but our lineups are what I would call a hot mess. Schroder has taken 20+ games to start looking decent. Is adding anyone at this point of the season going to do anything?
If anyone has kids, ever have that moment when your house is an absolute horrifying mess, and a colleague or friend call and says they are dropping by for some reason in about 5 minutes, and there is no way you can put your house in order in time? That's how I feel. Our house is not in order and, although I would be happy to see a new face, I am not going to have any expectation that they are going to roll up their sleeves and start cleaning our house. I feel for Schroder.
BINGO on LINEUP CONTINUITY....
Update for the Podz Squad: They’re 3-1 since his return. They were 5-7 while he was out.
Wemby named as ASG alternate. If his rising stars team wins, does he get to play for both teams in the same game?
If anyone could play for two teams at once, it might be him. (But actually, I’m pretty sure the league said he would play for the All-Stars in that scenario.)
LOL
He’s not an alternate, he’s a reserve, AKA an all star non starter.
Wemby playing the whole game, half for each team? That's the kind of spice I'd watch the game for!
I'd watch the game if they were going to play a serious, competitive game with hard-nosed defense. Otherwise, I'm not interested no matter what gimmicks the NBA comes up with.
Grizzlies beat the Rockets 120-119. Grizzlies are 32-16 and Rockets are 32-15. Rockets have a 3-1 record against the Grizzlies this season.
TY JEROME killing it this season 20pts, 6 assists, off-the-bench....
Ty did what all the hired guns the Dubs employ every year do: played himself into a hella-nice contract with another team. I'm sure they were sad to see him snapped up. I know I was.
Amen. Smart kid for his years. When he said about STEPH, ''HE IS THE 'SYSTEM''', I knew he was going places and wished for him all the best...no doubt, he has achieved that...Now, all he needs is a starting hole break; anywhere....
I (and likely many of us here) was out on Kerr when he was playing Ty and lamb at the expense of JK and Moody!
l think we (self and DNHQ) are partly validated as Anthony lamb will likely turn out to be Kerrs worst pet-player - but i was definitely wrong bout Ty Jerome - he is very good - and Kerr was on to something!
As far as I was concerned, Ty and Lamb were two separate issues. I liked Ty a lot and he was a very solid backup PG who really took charge of the offense.
Lamb was the o e taking minutes from the young guys.
Did Lamb turn out to be bad or did his off court issues make him untouchable?
he ended up playing in some league in Australia last I heard - so maybe a combination of both issues
In retrospect, Ty really wasn't stealing minutes since he is a backup PG (despite what BR says). Even I had Moody wrongly pegged as a 2G. But it was a bad look for sure.
“Even I was wrong” is a nice, subtle flex. 😂
lol...happens... My worst take was when I thought LOONS would never make it after those hip surgeries. MAN, WAS I WRONG. HE BECAME ''IRON MAN''; ALL HEART.
My worst take was thinking James Wiseman was a good pick at #2 and would be a star, given time to develop. I had visions of the next David Robinson, or almost that. Not hardly.
I watched all of DAVID’s home games at ANNAPOLIS. I was serving in MARYLAND at the time. I met him the 1st day he came to SAN ANTONIO after the SECRETARY OF THE NAVY released him after only 2 years of his 5 year obligation, as I, too, was on assignment in SAN ANTONIO. BIG DIFFERENCE IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT. DAVID had 4 YEARS OF COLLEGE under his belt and played for NAVY teams while in the SERVICE. Your EXPECTATIONS were totally unreasonable. Not alone, however, as there were many others. WISEMAN was a PROJECT; practically straight out of High School AND GOT HURT TRYING TO LIVE UP TO THEM TOO FAST. He needed several years to get there, though he exhibited superb skill sets for his experience and age.
You can't win em all (either of you)
https://www.instagram.com/p/DFeN8FXP2sv/?img_index=3
Wiggins's latest IG post consists of 2 guest appearances: Lebron and Zach Lavine. Both to the Warriors confirmed.
And there’s Loon, Steph, and Gui… and TJD, Moody, and Schroder… and a pic with him in one of those Canadian “roots” sweatshirts. He’s getting traded to Toronto with all these guys? And so are Zach & LeBron. Are they gonna officially rename the city LeBronto?
They're all supposed to go to Toronto as part of a deal to make Canada the 51st state. But Ottawa says no, so it's not happening.
🤮 LeBronto 🤮🤯😵
or is he being moved to chicago and LA at the same time! Chicago for defense and LA for offense - 2-way player - right!
Chicago could have swapped him with Coby White after the game here and we wouldn't have even noticed.
Kevon Looney suffered a nasal fracture, per the Warriors latest injury report. He will wear a face mark tomorrow vs Suns. But he will be available.
https://bsky.app/profile/anthonyvslater.bsky.social/post/3lgywlxfc5s2z
Milwaukee tough
Was there any kind of foul called whenever he took that hit? Man if that had happened to Shai during the game the refs would have drowned out the crowd with their whistles, stopped the game and awarded the win to OKC.
"It's just a flesh wound."
The game last night was quite physical, especially on OKC’s end.
Basketball “isn’t a contact sport”. Sheesh.
Get well Loon dawg
This better not mess with his 89% FT stroke!
damn - loondawg - you are one amazing warrior!
Remember when he played with a smashed chest? Dude is a rock.
He absolutely is - I have a bad gut feeling we are seeing the last few games by Loon as a Dub. Hope it’s as wrong as my luck with lottery tixs!
I think there’s a good chance you’re wrong. A guy who’s contributed so much to their winning, is a team leader and not highly valued in today’s market should have a home here as long as he plays.
Dang. Not going to be a very happy birthday for Looney.
I didn't know Loon was turning 54 (tips hat to Asher)!
If we trade a 1st, please do not trade this year's.
Or make it top-20 protected or something
We're looking at 19 at the worst. If we don't get kicked into the lottery, I don't want to miss on 6'10" (7'6" wingspan) PF/C Thomas Sorber or jumpy junior, 6'9" (7'5" wingspan) PF Rasheer Fleming. Don't care if the same position as JK. It's time to start getting bigger, longer and more athletic. Let's move from playing 3 guards all the time to playing 3 uber-athletic power forwards. I want the rim to be sweating.
https://marcstein.substack.com/p/jake-fischer-latest-trading-deaaron
>>>The San Antonio Spurs have registered interest in both Darius Garland and LaMelo Ball during previous transaction cycles, sources tell Jake Fischer. San Antonio is now linked to De'Aaron Fox, who has identified them as his preferred destination.
The Spurs called the Cleveland Cavaliers last June on Garland when they still owned the No. 4 and No. 8 pick in the draft. The Cavaliers did not reciprocate much interest in discussing a Garland trade at that time.
The Charlotte Hornets similarly never invited trade inquiries on Ball, who is having a bounce back 24-25 season.<<<
Dennis' salary can be aggregated, but not until the 5th, I think. (Can't find the source for some reason)
I'm entertained. I'll be more entertained when this game is released on League Pass in 2 more days.
Is San Antonio buying into the Fox/Wemby tandem? It's sounds intriguing to me.
I'm okay with LaVine, but I only see him as a trade out with Wiggs at the 3. Better offense, yes. Defense? No. So how much better is the offense vs how much worse is the defense and is it worth and extra 14m a year? As good as he is, this move does seem like a sideways move, like changing lanes on the freeway in rush hour traffic. LaVine won't fix the back court issue (defense). Not saying it wouldn't be entertaining.
Nooooooo trading Wiggs!
I’m on board with acquiring LaVine — for Dray, Schröder, and Hield. And then maybe haggle over a pick.
That's a big salary to take on though. Maybe worth it but if we're trading three players for him, we have to have money in the till to fill those salary slots. LaVine is under contract for next season at $46M and then has a player option the season after at $49M, so there's also the possibility that he'd be a 1.5-year rental and then be priced out of our reach.
No trading Dray, he still needs to train Post.
maybe add slomo to sweeten that deal - I agree - not Wiggs
Yes... Dray, Schröder, and Hield is very nice for us, but a lot of salary that Chicago has to keep on the books for next year. But maybe that's a feature for a tank job next year to have expiring contracts they could trade?
> Yes... Dray, Schröder, and Hield is very nice for us
Swapping Green for LaVine seems horrible for the Warriors imo
You’d be swapping Schröder and Hield for LaVine, and Dray for some combo of SloMo/Loon/Podz/Kuminga/Moody/Santos/Post.
We’re not talking about peak Dray. We’re talking about 35 y.o. Dray who has lost a bit on D, is putting up .530 TS, and may be starting to break down physically.
Wow. That’s a tough one. What’s his 3pt% again?
He’s still clearly our best center - 20 minutes a game. Tough.
I’d love a starting lineup that included Curry, ZL, Wiggs, and JK. What firepower. But I don’t see the Dubs parting with another of the big 3 - not without his explicit approval. Maybe find a 3 way deal that gets Dray to LA or Detroit?
That seems to me like the Warriors giving up Draymond Green as a player, and recognized team leader (and therefore his wealth of basketball knowledge). .. for nothing except the salary consideration ?
I think he is still way too valuable to this team, even if only as an elder statesman part time player.
In case you missed it, that “team leader” trophy is a bit tarnished after the punch and all the bullshit he put the team through last year.
They’d be getting LaVine in the proposed deal.
If your primary goal is a 1A/1B scorer with Steph (as that Kerr comment suggests, but who knows?) you’re not going to do any better.
He used to be a great two way player. Now he’s a good mostly one way player that’s injured a bit too often (due to being undersized for his position)… I’m with the Bill Walsh mentality here: trade him a year early instead of a year late
I'm not into it either. As underwhelming as Wiggs can be sometimes, his underwhelming is still really really good. And, could we just say screw it, keep Wiggs, play LaVine at the 2 and just forget about defense in the back court?
Steph-LaVine-Wiggs-JK-Dray?
I mean, whoa! I don't even know how to wrap my mitts around that. But if I am an opposing coach, I wouldn't be happy.
How are you matching salary while keeping Wiggs and Dray?
Duh! Sorry, cooking dinner at the same time. Multitasking foul.
Dennis, GPII, SloMo, Buddy, Loon, and Waters (basically everyone but JK, Moody, Podz, TJD, and Gui). Get some min contracts back from either Chicago or a 3rd team, sign Post and Spencer to real contracts (no matter how short).
It's possible in theory.
Tell us why Chicago does that and how you fill those roster spots and stay under the 1st tax apron. They have to have roster spots to accept all those players, so they have to send us some players, and that has to be factored into the salary matches.
You’d have to get 5 minimums back.
Man... that would be sad... especially since Chicago would probably try to re-route him to a contender, like Dallas or something.
you mean reroute Wigg-Dawg? (He earned his 'Dawg' rights last night)
Asking for Loondawg, can you have more than one dawg on your team?
Sure, dawgs can run in packs.
Anybody hear coach Kerr on 957 the game on the warriors Willard and dibs show - sure seems like a trade is imminent
I’m glad he didn’t say “Steph and Dray need help.”
Trade Dray and some other stuff (maybe routed through LA because Klutch) for LaVine or Fox.
yep, I would really like that!
Taking my Dubs hat off (or putting it on, depending on my mood), Draymond moving to the Pistons would be a really cool NBA story. Dray returns home to Michigan, to the tough rebuilding city of Detroit. He joins a young Pistons team that is arriving earlier than expected. He brings the veteran leadership, the high level IQ, the crazy-Dray that can short-circuit the brains of some guys in Boston. It would change the landscape of the Eastern Conference as the Pistons, with Draymond, would get a seat at the big boys table with Bos, Mil, & NYK.
At this stage in his career, what is in his head may be as valuable as what is left in his body. For the NBA as a whole, what sounds better. Draymond declining year after year until he can't tie his shoes any longer. Or a hero's welcome home, the veteran returns to help elevate the careers of the next generation of NBA stars.
There is no one like Dray and I could argue keeping him and moving him equally for days without end. But as an NBA fan, and a Draymond fan, doing something special with Cade & company would be a great cherry on the milkshake for his career.
I don’t see him enjoying being the old guy on a rebuilding team. He has a bit of a track record of quitting on the Warriors when Curry’s out.
The Warriors without Steph were a losing team. Detroit is rising, with several young stars in the making. Not comparable. And he's a devoted Michigander.
You must have noticed too that Detroit may be rebuilding but they have a path to the playoffs.
What gives that impression?
His general tone and several statements - talent vs culture, Steph needs help, last night is not the norm …
Thanks, well... we shall see.
lol right? Really left us on a cliffhanger
Have we litigated the whole "dunker's off hand touches defender's hand" thing? On GP2's dunk, he basically high fives Hartenstein with his off hand, and Hartenstein couldn't get his hands up effectively to attempt a block. Kinda feels like that could be an offensive foul, but it happens so much. Seems like they call it very subjectively and don't call a foul if they determine the contact to be "marginal", whatever that means...
The rules for what the offensive player can do basically go out the window on a dunk attempt. It’s always been that way that I can recall. Especially with a smaller player over a larger player.
Hi fives are ok, slapping the face baron davis style less so
It's not? I don't recall Baron getting called for a foul. I think they just called for all the king's horses and men to try to put Kirilenko back together.