And they have to stay there for a few days because of the baseball series. I hope they gave JK (at least) the option of going home (or straight to Utah) if he wants.
Possible unpopular opinion: I think it's time to punt on this season.
It's highly unlikely we beat the Thunder, the Rockets, the Nuggets, or the Wolves in a playoff series. Let alone a gauntlet of those teams. So let's concede that this season is a bust and plan for next season. Load manage Steph and Dray to 15 minutes a game and give the young guys all the playing time.
This accomplishes two, possibly three goals:
1. The kids get experience and we figure out what we actually have. If they're good, great! If not, we know and can act accordingly.
2. It minimizes the chances of catastrophic injury to Steph or Dray.
3. It COULD get us a decent draft position. There are a lot of bad teams this year, but the lottery is not out of reach for us.
Full disclosure: I thought this last year too, but then we traded for Jimmy. So if MD can work his magic again, I'm on board.
I don't think they have to try too hard to punt on the season. They are a lottery team and will naturally be close to .500 only because of Steph. It'll be hard to tell Steph to shut down because he is human and will care about individual records - scoring, 5k threes, All-NBA.
Planning for next year seems very hard to me. We wont know when jimmy gets back. And load managing steph and dray this season doesnt help very much against next seasons injury risks, which should be more related to their biological age, I think.
I don't think it's a crazy thought. If the underlying goal is to maximize Steph's chance of another title with the Warriors and the team/FO is convinced that the best way to do that is optimize for next season at the expense of this one, it's certainly worth considering. Obviously I would want for the team to be truly competitive both this season as well as the next but if there aren't enough realistic avenues to meaningfully improve this year's squad, I would understand this direction, though I wouldn't be enthused about it since we would have to wait a long time to watch this team play games that matter again.
Commissioner Adam Silver has announced that the NBA Finals format will be changed:
Starting today, the only two remaining healthy players in the league, Andrew Wiggins and Kevon Looney, will play a 7 game series of 1-on-1, HORSE, and 5 others."
It shows it’s not just old players who get injured, and not even injury, prone players only. The new CBA changes everything and what was unfair about it is that it changed the rules in the middle of a game. The Warriors are very finance savvy and flexible in their approach, but you really can’t win when the rules are changing in the middle of the game, particularly if the rules are changed deliberately to hurt your chances —-so the Butler thing was an effort to win anyway, but it came with the essentials that there were tough. Three players must remain healthy, and that pretty much there was no fallback plan if they didn’t. And, ironically well it helped them last year. People said this was the year. It would really pay off . Next year was probably not what the Warriors wanted in terms of his contract but the price to pay for immediately last year and a very good year this year.. the thing about gambling does that mean, sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose. The odds were never in our favor on this gamble, but the odds were better than not gambling at all. Now we live with the fact that we lost and the pay payback is at least this year and probably next. And steph among others, most visibly Draymond, is demoralized and lost and needs to shake free. And when steph scores 38 and it’s still not enough, it’s more demoralizing.
The payback is probably going to last at least 5 or 6 years and maybe much longer. I'm quite certain that I won't see more than 1 more championship in my lifetime, maybe not even that. It's really hard to win a championship. The reality is the Warriors were never light years ahead. They scored big on their draft picks, in particular one Stephen Curry, and were rewarded for the trades that they didn't make plus the one big free agent signing that they did. It was fun while it lasted.
Light years also includes building a stadium in SF and owning the surrounding properties to generate revenue that gets funneled back into supporting the team. There is no way they would have kept paying the repeating luxury taxes otherwise.
Yes. There were some light years and even success for stringing other success, particularly with Steve Kerr‘s notion of playing with joy and his respect for the players.
"Morant (elbow) will be reevaluated in approximately three weeks, the Grizzlies announced Saturday.
Morant sustained a UCL sprain in his left elbow in the Jan. 21 game against the Hawks, and while he's expected to make a full recovery, he'll be re-evaluated in approximately three weeks."
I hope I don't hear, "We're wasting Steph's "prime"" or "Steph deserves better."
It's a game, played by arbitrary rules. Rules which now make constructing a championship-level team around Steph a low probability event.
We Dubs' fans are lucky to have had what we had. Lucky in our owners, our team management, our coach and these players. I'm grateful for the excitement of the early years and for the continuing brilliance of Steph (and for the writing staff and community of Dub Nation HQ).
I like to think that the Warriors wasted Steph's prime less than the Bucks have wasted Giannis' prime or the Nuggets have wasted Jokic's prime. There's only one championship to go around each year! A lot of primes are going to be wasted!
Better than what? He's in a great organization with decent human beings all around him. Lives near a fantastic city. Plays in the greatest league. The focus on "The Chip" is stupid. There are many fantastic players who never get one.
But perhaps I'm missing something. Please explain "SC30 deserves better"
The report that Giannis is frustrated by the Bucks situation is kind of interesting. He seems to not be all that patient about the losing.
That makes me think that Giannis might not stick around for a post-Steph rebuild. He'd still be tradeable, so we could recoup something, but he might just be a one-two year rental. Not sure that's worth throwing all the picks in. For one thing, that would delay a rebuild that might keep him here.
If Giannis wants to stick around, the number of picks we have to accelerate a rebuild might be a factor in whether he stays.
If the cupboard is bare, and Giannis has no realistic hope of the Dubs rebounding quickly from Steph's retirement, that might make him want to move on, rather than wait for the Dubs to be good again.
I just hope for us to not give up on this season. Were in a good position to make the playoffs and Steph is still great and healthy.
In a previous thread I wrote ”whatever it takes” (to remain contendors). To clarify, I would see what could be done with some combination of jk, podz, buddy, frp 26 and 27 (primarily those picks that shouldnt be postcurry) and possibly jimmys contract for matching, or trayces. Podz because he should be our most valuable asset and I dont think hes a difference maker this season and I dont think he will be good enough to build around in the future. And I suspect that paying him +20 millions might look bad eventually. The way our roster is constructed I consider moody more valuable while at the same time a less attractive asset.
If that (only) could get us something like derozan and grant or wiggins + someone Id be fine with that. I want wings. We only need enough to believe, to keep trying. I never been a fan of superstar trades though.
Sorry for not providing tangible trade suggestions :)
[Edit: DNHQ, please accept my sincere apologies if this post was in anyway bad taste/timing. I live in a very sheltered part of the world (NZ) and do not even listen to the news here. But when news does become newsworthy I can't help avoid it and my empathy goes out to all of you affected by such things.
I was actually originally inspired by the picture in the link that Sab replied with. It made me think of Steph being so down and uncharacteristacally heavy-hearted (which hurts my own) and wanted to make something light of it. Apologies again if this was taken in the wrong way. I'm happy to delete if anyone simply replies with "delete".
While I'm sharing, I have discovered in the last year (in my mid 40's) that I have ADHD and now more recently Autism. Finding a safe (and interesting!) space and a tribe to feel connected to is a lifeline for me socially (as well as mental, emotional and quite often spiritual). I really hope no one here has been offriended by anything I might have said in the past (or future). This community is genuinely a luxury I can't afford to lose... Please stay safe out there]
Attention all units, be advised.
Suspect is a light skinned male, late 30's, 6'2", well built, and wearing what appears to be a Golden State Warriors #30 jersey.
Last seen in a morose state of mind stumbling around a practise facility muttering to themselves about an inept front office, some loose cannoned diva name "Draymond Queen", and "They keep wasting my Goddam prime!".
The individual is considered an extremely dangerous sniper from beyond the arc so proceed with extreme caution and double team if necessary.
Anyone with any information on the whereabouts of a legitimate second All-star or any news about a trade involving "JK" is to contact their nearest local HQ immediately.
None of us have crystal balls. My only true wish is that all exits are graceful as befits champions. Beyond that we believe in the goodness of what has been built. The deeply forged friendships that cross team boundaries and time itself. The reputation of the organization rests on not its wins and championships but of its deeper charachter...that I hope continues to carry us forward. We can't always be winners but we can soldier on like warriors. 🌁⚔️🟤
Right now Curry needs to find out who his real basketball friends are on this team. The kind of friends that will help you move. That will help you build a deck or tear down a shed in the middle of summer. The ones you can rely on when times are good or bad.
Who’s going to be back on D cutting off fast breaks the way Dray used to? Who’s going to play that relentless on ball D the way Klay used to? Who’s going to be impossible to back down in the post the way Barnes used to be in the death lineup? Who’s going to make the most of Curry’s movement, having the patience to hit Curry in the corner when he gets that half step separation, or the awareness to set a screen on time as he comes across the lane? Who will make the most of Curry’s gravity and cut when their defender’s eyes wander or make the open shot in rhythm when the ball comes their way?
Who will find their own way to make magic with Curry this year and carry the team forward when the old guys don’t have it on a given night?
It’s time to find the Warriors new ride or die guys.
Still my favorite Warrior of the early dynasty. I'm so happy to see his career has gone pretty well. The upgrade to KD was a no-brainer, but he was a damn good player.
More than Steph. I tend to like players with marginal skill who make the best out of what they have.
Not saying Steph isn't great, but Barnes' role in allowing the lineup of death is a little undersung, IMHO. Draymond was the most important, but Barnes ability to defend up a position was also critical to being able to field a small lineup.
Game has been postponed.
By one day, so still gonna have two games in Minnesota Sun-Mon
They executed someone else a couple miles from the arena. How do they focus on playing basketball right now?
And they have to stay there for a few days because of the baseball series. I hope they gave JK (at least) the option of going home (or straight to Utah) if he wants.
Other countries should withdraw from the world cup or Olympics for their own citizens' safety.
Yes - already a lot of tickets cancellations have happened and nowe German FA is actually talking about it
the video is absolutely horrific to watch
I am 100% sure Coach Kerr will not want to play - but money talks sadly!!
Can't forget about Kerr's own traumatic experiences either.
yes, a huge factor in his worldview
Possible unpopular opinion: I think it's time to punt on this season.
It's highly unlikely we beat the Thunder, the Rockets, the Nuggets, or the Wolves in a playoff series. Let alone a gauntlet of those teams. So let's concede that this season is a bust and plan for next season. Load manage Steph and Dray to 15 minutes a game and give the young guys all the playing time.
This accomplishes two, possibly three goals:
1. The kids get experience and we figure out what we actually have. If they're good, great! If not, we know and can act accordingly.
2. It minimizes the chances of catastrophic injury to Steph or Dray.
3. It COULD get us a decent draft position. There are a lot of bad teams this year, but the lottery is not out of reach for us.
Full disclosure: I thought this last year too, but then we traded for Jimmy. So if MD can work his magic again, I'm on board.
Thoughts?
I don't think they have to try too hard to punt on the season. They are a lottery team and will naturally be close to .500 only because of Steph. It'll be hard to tell Steph to shut down because he is human and will care about individual records - scoring, 5k threes, All-NBA.
Planning for next year seems very hard to me. We wont know when jimmy gets back. And load managing steph and dray this season doesnt help very much against next seasons injury risks, which should be more related to their biological age, I think.
I don't think it's a crazy thought. If the underlying goal is to maximize Steph's chance of another title with the Warriors and the team/FO is convinced that the best way to do that is optimize for next season at the expense of this one, it's certainly worth considering. Obviously I would want for the team to be truly competitive both this season as well as the next but if there aren't enough realistic avenues to meaningfully improve this year's squad, I would understand this direction, though I wouldn't be enthused about it since we would have to wait a long time to watch this team play games that matter again.
"June 3rd, 2030:
Commissioner Adam Silver has announced that the NBA Finals format will be changed:
Starting today, the only two remaining healthy players in the league, Andrew Wiggins and Kevon Looney, will play a 7 game series of 1-on-1, HORSE, and 5 others."
First to 18 pts wins
"June 7th. 2031:
The 2030 NBA Finals continues to rage on as Wiggins is still at 17 and Kevon Looney still has yet to attempt a shot despite 3000 pump fakes."
LOL!
It shows it’s not just old players who get injured, and not even injury, prone players only. The new CBA changes everything and what was unfair about it is that it changed the rules in the middle of a game. The Warriors are very finance savvy and flexible in their approach, but you really can’t win when the rules are changing in the middle of the game, particularly if the rules are changed deliberately to hurt your chances —-so the Butler thing was an effort to win anyway, but it came with the essentials that there were tough. Three players must remain healthy, and that pretty much there was no fallback plan if they didn’t. And, ironically well it helped them last year. People said this was the year. It would really pay off . Next year was probably not what the Warriors wanted in terms of his contract but the price to pay for immediately last year and a very good year this year.. the thing about gambling does that mean, sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose. The odds were never in our favor on this gamble, but the odds were better than not gambling at all. Now we live with the fact that we lost and the pay payback is at least this year and probably next. And steph among others, most visibly Draymond, is demoralized and lost and needs to shake free. And when steph scores 38 and it’s still not enough, it’s more demoralizing.
The payback is probably going to last at least 5 or 6 years and maybe much longer. I'm quite certain that I won't see more than 1 more championship in my lifetime, maybe not even that. It's really hard to win a championship. The reality is the Warriors were never light years ahead. They scored big on their draft picks, in particular one Stephen Curry, and were rewarded for the trades that they didn't make plus the one big free agent signing that they did. It was fun while it lasted.
Light years also includes building a stadium in SF and owning the surrounding properties to generate revenue that gets funneled back into supporting the team. There is no way they would have kept paying the repeating luxury taxes otherwise.
2 signings durant and iguoadala
Abd livingston. And mcgee a bit. And bogut trade which also resulted in the draft pick for Barnes.
Don't forget David West coming here. I didn't confirm with stats, but I feel he contributed a ton.
Yes. There were some light years and even success for stringing other success, particularly with Steve Kerr‘s notion of playing with joy and his respect for the players.
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/grizzlies-ja-morant-will-miss-at-least-three-weeks/
"Morant (elbow) will be reevaluated in approximately three weeks, the Grizzlies announced Saturday.
Morant sustained a UCL sprain in his left elbow in the Jan. 21 game against the Hawks, and while he's expected to make a full recovery, he'll be re-evaluated in approximately three weeks."
Steph needs 25 points to pass John Havlicek and 28 to pass Paul Pierce on the all-time scoring list.
50 to have a chance against the twolves...
I hope I don't hear, "We're wasting Steph's "prime"" or "Steph deserves better."
It's a game, played by arbitrary rules. Rules which now make constructing a championship-level team around Steph a low probability event.
We Dubs' fans are lucky to have had what we had. Lucky in our owners, our team management, our coach and these players. I'm grateful for the excitement of the early years and for the continuing brilliance of Steph (and for the writing staff and community of Dub Nation HQ).
I like to think that the Warriors wasted Steph's prime less than the Bucks have wasted Giannis' prime or the Nuggets have wasted Jokic's prime. There's only one championship to go around each year! A lot of primes are going to be wasted!
I feel this
Steph deserves better.
Better than what? He's in a great organization with decent human beings all around him. Lives near a fantastic city. Plays in the greatest league. The focus on "The Chip" is stupid. There are many fantastic players who never get one.
But perhaps I'm missing something. Please explain "SC30 deserves better"
Bucks' Giannis Antetokounmpo expects to miss 4-6 weeks due to calf: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47711716/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-expects-miss-4-6-weeks-due-calf
Sheesh. The awards ineligibility race continues to get more crowded.
[EDIT] His estimate, as it turns out, is 4-6 weeks. MRI to come.
yikes. That roils the trade deadline a bit.
Also on a somewhat related note:
The report that Giannis is frustrated by the Bucks situation is kind of interesting. He seems to not be all that patient about the losing.
That makes me think that Giannis might not stick around for a post-Steph rebuild. He'd still be tradeable, so we could recoup something, but he might just be a one-two year rental. Not sure that's worth throwing all the picks in. For one thing, that would delay a rebuild that might keep him here.
Not sure I follow
> Giannis might not stick around for a post-Steph rebuild
And then
> a rebuild that might keep him here
If Giannis wants to stick around, the number of picks we have to accelerate a rebuild might be a factor in whether he stays.
If the cupboard is bare, and Giannis has no realistic hope of the Dubs rebounding quickly from Steph's retirement, that might make him want to move on, rather than wait for the Dubs to be good again.
Awkwardly worded, I admit.
Is this something to do with Dennis Schröder's cat?
A Giannis demand for a trade while not gutting the Warriors would be ideal.
In the KD trade, he didn't accept until the Warriors sent a 1st rounder to the Nets.
I just hope for us to not give up on this season. Were in a good position to make the playoffs and Steph is still great and healthy.
In a previous thread I wrote ”whatever it takes” (to remain contendors). To clarify, I would see what could be done with some combination of jk, podz, buddy, frp 26 and 27 (primarily those picks that shouldnt be postcurry) and possibly jimmys contract for matching, or trayces. Podz because he should be our most valuable asset and I dont think hes a difference maker this season and I dont think he will be good enough to build around in the future. And I suspect that paying him +20 millions might look bad eventually. The way our roster is constructed I consider moody more valuable while at the same time a less attractive asset.
If that (only) could get us something like derozan and grant or wiggins + someone Id be fine with that. I want wings. We only need enough to believe, to keep trying. I never been a fan of superstar trades though.
Sorry for not providing tangible trade suggestions :)
The Kerr piece scares me, because he and Steph could win another title together in San Antonio right now.
Or, hear me out, just get Wemby to come here to get Steph and Steve another title
That would be okay. They deserve it if they want it
Timberwolves stats:
7 in net rating!!!!!!!!
Offense:
3 in points scored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (120.0)
13 in points in paint (50.8)
13 in fastbreak points (15.2)
6 in offensive efficiency!!!!!!!!!!
4 in shooting % !!!!!!!!!!!! (48.4%)
4 in three point % !!!!!!!!!!!!! (37.3%)
3 in two point % !!!!!!!!!!!!!! (56.7%)
15 in off. rebound % (26.2%)
7 in def. rebound % !!!!!!! (74.9%)
11 in total rebound % (50.5%)
2 in opponent blocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (3.9)
9 in opponent steals!!!! (7.8)
11 in assists (26.8)
9 in turnovers!!!! (14.1)
Defense:
12 in points allowed (115.1)
14 in opponent points in paint (50.4)
6 in opponent fastbreak points!!!!!!!!!! (14.0)
9 in defensive efficiency!!!!
7 in opponent shooting % !!!!!!!! (46.3%)
14 in opponent three point % (35.8%)
6 in opponent two point % !!!!!!!!!! (52.9%)
7 in blocks!!!!!!! (5.5)
12 in steals (8.5)
10 in opponent assists! (26.0)
11 in opponent turnovers (14.8)
NBA fans: "trade season is boring"
*monkey's paw curls*
Butler, Booker, Gordon, Giannis injured :(
[Edit: DNHQ, please accept my sincere apologies if this post was in anyway bad taste/timing. I live in a very sheltered part of the world (NZ) and do not even listen to the news here. But when news does become newsworthy I can't help avoid it and my empathy goes out to all of you affected by such things.
I was actually originally inspired by the picture in the link that Sab replied with. It made me think of Steph being so down and uncharacteristacally heavy-hearted (which hurts my own) and wanted to make something light of it. Apologies again if this was taken in the wrong way. I'm happy to delete if anyone simply replies with "delete".
While I'm sharing, I have discovered in the last year (in my mid 40's) that I have ADHD and now more recently Autism. Finding a safe (and interesting!) space and a tribe to feel connected to is a lifeline for me socially (as well as mental, emotional and quite often spiritual). I really hope no one here has been offriended by anything I might have said in the past (or future). This community is genuinely a luxury I can't afford to lose... Please stay safe out there]
Attention all units, be advised.
Suspect is a light skinned male, late 30's, 6'2", well built, and wearing what appears to be a Golden State Warriors #30 jersey.
Last seen in a morose state of mind stumbling around a practise facility muttering to themselves about an inept front office, some loose cannoned diva name "Draymond Queen", and "They keep wasting my Goddam prime!".
The individual is considered an extremely dangerous sniper from beyond the arc so proceed with extreme caution and double team if necessary.
Anyone with any information on the whereabouts of a legitimate second All-star or any news about a trade involving "JK" is to contact their nearest local HQ immediately.
He has an accomplice:
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1qlgzfk/can_we_get_these_dudes_together_the_lore_writes/
None of us have crystal balls. My only true wish is that all exits are graceful as befits champions. Beyond that we believe in the goodness of what has been built. The deeply forged friendships that cross team boundaries and time itself. The reputation of the organization rests on not its wins and championships but of its deeper charachter...that I hope continues to carry us forward. We can't always be winners but we can soldier on like warriors. 🌁⚔️🟤
well said!
Daniel, Thank you!
Right now Curry needs to find out who his real basketball friends are on this team. The kind of friends that will help you move. That will help you build a deck or tear down a shed in the middle of summer. The ones you can rely on when times are good or bad.
Who’s going to be back on D cutting off fast breaks the way Dray used to? Who’s going to play that relentless on ball D the way Klay used to? Who’s going to be impossible to back down in the post the way Barnes used to be in the death lineup? Who’s going to make the most of Curry’s movement, having the patience to hit Curry in the corner when he gets that half step separation, or the awareness to set a screen on time as he comes across the lane? Who will make the most of Curry’s gravity and cut when their defender’s eyes wander or make the open shot in rhythm when the ball comes their way?
Who will find their own way to make magic with Curry this year and carry the team forward when the old guys don’t have it on a given night?
It’s time to find the Warriors new ride or die guys.
I didn’t know we were allowed to compliment Barnes.
Still my favorite Warrior of the early dynasty. I'm so happy to see his career has gone pretty well. The upgrade to KD was a no-brainer, but he was a damn good player.
Is Steph exempt or you actually liked him more than Steph?
More than Steph. I tend to like players with marginal skill who make the best out of what they have.
Not saying Steph isn't great, but Barnes' role in allowing the lineup of death is a little undersung, IMHO. Draymond was the most important, but Barnes ability to defend up a position was also critical to being able to field a small lineup.