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According to Basketball Reference, the most amount of games GP2 has played in a single NBA season before this season was 29 during the 2019-2020 season, averaging 14.9 minutes per game. This season, he has played 60 games and has averaged 17.1 minutes per game, the highest in his career.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paytoga02.html

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Mar 14, 2022·edited Mar 14, 2022

He has also played a 1,603-minute season for the Rio Grande vipers. He has played a modest 1,023 minutes this season for the Warriors, with just three games over 30 minutes and none over 33. He's averaging 17.1 mpg overall.

Occam's razor is that he's injured. He does play an intensely physical, explosive brand of ball that I'd guess makes him more prone to injury than a lot of other guys, but it's not clear to me that it's a cumulative stress issue more than just an injury that could have happened at any time.

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In other words, this is the first time in his NBA career that he's been playing a lot of games this season, and it looks like his body isn't taking it too well. I think this was why Kerr was putting him on a minutes restriction on February and is keeping him out due to sore knee until he's at full health.

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Makes sense. Thanks SoL

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GP2 out going on two weeks. I’d love to understand what’s wrong.

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Thanks for sharing that. Overall good news that he is progressing. Timeline unclear but 3 on 3 action would precede full 5 on 5 practice. So looks like he’s a solid week away at least. Disappointing but could be worse.

Still no specifics on the injury. But being out for 3-4 weeks means it wasn’t trivial.

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I see. I'm hoping he returns during the five-game road trip.

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Thanks. I wish they’d tell us more, but regardless I hope GP2 can play more this season and for years to come.

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The best part of this PHX LAL game is this puppy race they are trying to run during half time

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Mar 14, 2022·edited Mar 14, 2022

Have they said how many g league games Wiseman is going to play?

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Since he's not playing tomorrow they should at least send him to LA for the Agua Caliente Clipper game on Tuesday, it's not that far.

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Then he wouldn't be able to play Wednesday lol

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He's not playing against Boston regardless

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Why wouldn't he when we're up 30 in the 4th ;)

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He's not?

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Well I'm of the opinion that the Wiseman pick will likely be remembered as an all-time L for the organization even if he does end up good in 5 years. I think he'd have to be closer to a Mobley level prospect to justify Lacob tanking the waning years of Curry/Dray/Klay's prime.

But yeah, that doesn't mean he can't end up as a good player. The size/athleticism aren't teachable, the question is how much magic can Milojevic work with the lack of skill and awareness. But like today I saw Wiseman misjudge a rebound but still grab it because of his long reach, he has advantages like that which can offset his lack of feel to an extent.

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Mar 14, 2022·edited Mar 14, 2022

James Wiseman's numbers across his two games with the Santa Cruz Warriors:

40 minutes

37 points

20 rebounds (7 offensive)

2 blocks

6 turnovers

5 fouls

15-30 FG

14-26 2PT

1-4 3PT

3-6 FT

+13 plus/minus (team-best, SC was -20 with Wiseman off the floor)

https://twitter.com/maddelucchi/status/1503164565554491397

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Definitely some positives, but dude looks like he would really benefit from a full season in the g league

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Mar 14, 2022·edited Mar 14, 2022

My thought exactly. Otherwise they’re just doing the same thing to him this year as last year, which is throwing him into the water without his really knowing how to swim.

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Eh. Last year they threw him into the starting lineup after missing training camp and preseason.

This year, they have a clear path towards a more limited role for Wiseman on offense. Of course, it's still up to Wiseman to understand and execute that role.

And then next year, he'll have a full offseason, with his first ever summer league, training camp, and preseason.

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I'm not worried about him for next year, I'm really worried they're gonna try to "integrate him" before the playoffs... it's just too late for that imho, I look forward to eating my words though.

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Mar 14, 2022·edited Mar 14, 2022

As long as Dray and Loon are healthy, I don't see them forcing a playoff role for Wiseman.

But I do think they'd love to get him some minutes here and there to get some sense of where he's at in his development.

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Mar 14, 2022·edited Mar 14, 2022

look how hard it's been to reintegrate *Klay Thompson*...

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Yes, I sincerely hope he understands his limited offensive role.

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He started to look better last year towards the end. I think he'll look much better with a very restricted role. Just run pnr with Poole. Playing against teams benches rather than starters would also mean his defense won't be as exposed

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Wiseman's been taking free throw practice w/ Wiggins

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Wiseman probably done.

20 min / 19 pts / 14 reb / 2 blk / 5 tov / 3 pf

8-17 FG / 1-2 3pt / 1-4 FT

Overall, I'd say Wiseman (unsurprisingly?) looks like his rookie year self, both positively and negatively.

I think the main key for Wiseman to get minutes at the NBA level is to understand he's a role player. Only take good shots and don't be forcing shots that would otherwise go to Curry, Klay, Poole, etc.

Then as long as he has effort and energy on defense, the coaching staff can probably live with that.

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As long as he gets over the dear in the headlights look and non-movement on D.

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"Dear in the headlights" - sounds more like my marriage.

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Is that your description of your spouse before you run her down?

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Yep. Actually hit people on screens, box out, contest vertically, catch lobs, and use those 6 fouls wisely. That will be fine.

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Wiseman's defense was better than the first game from what I saw (better timing on contests/better rotations).

However, his offense was far less clean and he continues to demonstrate a worrying lack of hands. This man better be catching balls nonstop in practice.

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His hand-eye coordination is fine. I think any hands issue is just speed of the game.

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I was thinking nerves, too. Sure enough, Wiseman just said he was nervous in the 1st half.

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Anyone outside the bay find a stream of the game?

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G-League Youtube usually streams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvsEk9lM-Xo

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Mar 13, 2022·edited Mar 14, 2022

Just FYI, you can edit now :)

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good call! edited

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That Steph bday bobblehead has 80% more hair than it needs hah

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lol why's it got someone else's face on it?

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I think he looks pretty damn good for his 2nd game in a year. He's clearly the most dominant athlete on the floor. Everything else is reps.

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Wiseman with a well timed contest/block.

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Wisemans hands yikes man. Everything aside from that is of no concern to me one way or the other.

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He need to do that Shaolin Monk training

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I keep thinking the SeaDubs are playing like crap but then I look at the score and they're always up lol

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Mar 13, 2022·edited Mar 13, 2022

Still that weird two-hand contest thing that Wiseman does which seems to often get him out of position for rebounds. (Though he's got 8 rebs in 9 minutes so far)

Is that something the coaches have been emphasizing? I know Athletic Alchemy thinks the coaches are trying to get him to defend like Looney, except Wiseman is like the polar opposite of Looney.

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Seems like going up with two hands fosters more verticality. I also wonder if it’s a similar concept to “roofing” in volleyball when blocking. With his 17-foot standing reach (not to mention his 8-foot wide shoulders), perhaps the theory is that he can be wall even if he isn’t reaching quite as high as with one hand.

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Mar 13, 2022·edited Mar 13, 2022

One thing I've noticed when Wise doesnt do that is that he gets his body completely turned and even more off balance. And he always favors the left arm to contest even though sometimes he should be using his right arm... so I feel like the awkward two-handed thing might be the coaches trying to get him out of that habit.

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I saw in the pregame before last game, part of his drills was doing two hands up vertical contesting

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Interesting, yeah, I think it'd be fine if he stayed square to the ballhandler, but he tends to end up at a weird angle.

Makes me wonder if he's flinching from the potential contact.

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https://youtu.be/-zqUlHBv73M

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Who’s that female coach? Her handles are smooooth.

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JW's hands still a work in progress - stripped then bobbled in two straight breaks.

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came here to say this... catching up now, those hands look rough man

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multiple bobbled passes, one for a turnover, bobbled his own rebound... that's just in 5 minutes

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Dunno if I'd call that first one a hands problem. He was dribbling into the lane like he was Bjelica.

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Yeah, but then he bobbled twice on the very next play in the post, so I'll stand by my point.

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