Someone please give me more reasons to hope about Moody's individual defense. Big fan since pre-draft but saw him get repeatedly blown past or shot over in big moments last night. Didn't make mental mistakes I could see, just seemed too slow or stiff (can relate). I'm starting to fear the physical limits are too steep to earn the rotation.
For all the yoga love we've heard from from Loon & Mood, props to Steph winning the game by using Navasana pose to keep from touching out of bounds :)
I can’t help you on that one. On the latest Plus Minus episode they were talking about Moody being on the outside of the regular rotation to start the year.
My fear with Moody as stated before is that he cant play regular rotation minutes on a nightly basis. Gonna have to be matchup dependent. If he can become
A consistent pick and pop shooter then can space the floor nicely but the man just barrels into defenders going to the basket and gets caught in the air without knowing where to go. Defensively though is what’s going to determine playing time. If hes guarding someone like Klay at the 2 or 3 he stands a chance. Quicker guards and perimeter players are gonna absolutely bbq him.
I personally have little hope for him becoming a consistent NBA rotation piece but thats been my stand since Day 1 and believe it or not, further exacerbated watching him play in Santa Cruz
Doesn't he just have to play like Kyle slomo Anderson? Be smart and shoot/score and he can be a good bench piece. KA seems even slower if not intentionally?
TJD impressed last night to make me much, much less worried about Loon getting in foul trouble. TJD looks like he can handle a 3m stint to finish out a quarter to bridge Looney foul trouble and help keep Dray & Saric a little fresher...
Yeah, or if Loon isn't able to play all 82 again this year for rest, or, hopefully not, injury. Seems like the team can manage, despite the rookie whistle he's getting.
Was also impressed that a lot of guys got to 5 fouls but no one fouled out. Good discipline, at least at that point of the game.
The Kings are a handful. I don't know that the Warriors have anyone who can handle D'Aaron Fox. I love his game. Did Kerr put GP II on him at any point? If so, how'd Payton do on him? Keegan Murray looks improved over last year, and he was pretty good as a rookie. They're sure fun to watch, too. Kangz no more.
Of course the Dubs are a handful, too, and they look like they're going to be way more fun than last year.
I'm got tickets for the Kings game on Nov. 1 way down in Mission Bay, and hoping the score might not be as close as it was last night with Looney and Draymond (if he's ready) in the game. But the Kings are a team to be reckoned with.
So I flew to another country to revisit a development course I did back in 2016. I just saw in the workbook corner I jotted down, "I need to find a healthy drama hook (to keep drama out of business or relationships)... Maybe NBA?" And on reflection: it's a resounding YES! It's been SUCH a blessed journey so far. And it's in no small measure thanks to this rarified community 🙏🏽
I think one of the most important things about sport is its ability to help people channel urges and emotions that might otherwise not be very beneficial to society into an outlet that isn't harmful, relatively speaking.
Its not uncommon to hear modern sports being like gladiators of the past. And many gladiatorial games was often a way for rulers to “pacify” the masses.
Yeah, I feel that. Also, when you have essentially an entire small city's worth of inhabitants all feeling the same emotions together, it's an indescribable sense of kinship and community. That's the thing about seeing sports live. I was at a Giants playoff game in 2010 that we won in a majestic way and it was absolutely amazing.
1. Easy handoff to Klay that got bobbled. I put that one more on Klay, but I suppose JK could have been a bit more forceful to make sure the defender didn't get a hand in there.
2. Stepped out of bounds under the basket. Made a great cut, but barely had a foot on the end-line when he received the pass.
3. Bad transition pass trying to push the ball ahead. Needs to better know who's where.
4. Unforceful pass in traffic to a cutting Saric, which let the defender get a hand in there. Maybe could have held onto the ball a moment longer and made it a bounce pass or something, but this is kind of an acceptable TO to me.
5. Bobble trying to dribble drive in isolation attack. He does this too much, but it's part of the learning experience...
All in all, to me it was 2 TOs that aren't very bad at all, 2 bad ones, and a "the right pass" that could have been better executed. I'm not too mad at these, to be honest.
Yeah, on that ambitious throw ahead to Steph, I heard "Because no one ever got benched for passing to Steph ... well, except JK that one time"
I do wonder if some of his bad decisions are because he's just trying stuff out in pre-season, and he'll dial it back a bit when the real games start. Or, maybe I'm hoping that is the case.
I love this kind of contextualized analysis. Often we take a bulk number like 80% FG% !!! And then you realize that no one was guarding the guy and he somehow barely banked in 4 out 5 and it's like hmmm that matters. I thought Kuminga was a blend of careless and unlucky, as you point out. The careless stuff he needs to get better at.
I appreciate the enthusiasm with which this article urges us to never doubt Stephen Curry. Correct!
And yet, if there were ever a group of diehards who gave up doubting Stephen Curry about 14 years ago, this is NON-DOUBTING GROUND ZERO. We are ON BOARD the Steph Train.
There was one basket, Steph had the ball, TJD rolled with him, and Steph could've pulled up for the short range floater but instead he dumped it off to TJD for the dunk. And I said, I'm glad TJD was ready for that one and his hands didn't bobble or drop it. It was smooth. I have a good feeling about this kid.
Ha ha, I was just about to post another random thought about TJD; his hands look to be really nice. A couple of the feeds he got weren’t right in the pocket, and he seemed fine handling them. I don’t think of Looney as having “bad” hands per se, but TJD’s look like an asset.
Hard not to enjoy the 4-0 preseason. I know the games don't count, and yet, it feels like they at least matter for giving us a peek into how the chemistry is coming along. Looking good so far.
Steph Curry. That's all I've got to say about him.
JK has had a great preseason, but was he really -17 in this game? He supposedly did that in 29 minutes... If true, he's going to have to clean that up, or he may find himself sitting more than he imagines.
TJD did some nice things out there. It says here that he's going to be a contributor this season.
CP off the bench -- finally. His numbers look pretty good. How did he look out there?
Rant: I've been reduced to watching highlights for now. Amazingly, being back in the Bay Area means never being able to watch the Dubs live on NBA League Pass. It's a miserable service with all of the blackouts.
I pay the exorbitant amount ($70+) for Youtube TV and justify/rationalize it thusly:
1) Going to the game costs massive amounts of time and money, not including food and drink and parking.
2) I have nearly as much fun watching in my living room as I do when I am at the game.
3) I watch pretty much all the games on TV, around 10-15 per month, basically a season ticket.
4) I'm getting a season ticket for the equivalent of $5/game. Plus I can eat what I want.
Giants baseball (and a limited amount of Niners football that I won't officially admit to because the NFL is a crime) makes it even better- same justifications/rationalizations apply.
*That was incredibly entertaining. Both teams obviously cared and that makes all the difference.
*Steph was Steph near the end. He was hitting absurd shot after absurd shot, trying hard, being in the right place at the right time. Steph was Steph at the beginning. He had 4 completely careless turnovers and caused turnovers for his teammates.
*Steph also flopped a little too much for my liking today. Very minimal contact on that dive to the corner. Flopped on one of those 3Ps near the end (maybe the banked in one?). I wish floppers didn't get rewarded, because it's one of the only non-aesthetic parts of his game.
*Kuminga was hitting shots today. But he had 5 turnovers and had a couple other 50/50 balls that could have been. He's going to have some major growing pains this year, but they need to keep playing him. He's still the changeup they need.
*One of a couple reasons I'm still a Kuminga skeptic popped up in this game. He consistently drags Curry lineups down. In the two major stretches JK and Steph played together, they were -14. It absolutely has to be something JK figures out, because it's the surest way to the doghouse. Steph minutes are precious. I don't exactly know how, but I would start with minimizing any turnovers while those two share the floor.
*GPII and Wiggins both looked incredible. If we get those two playing like that, the Dubs will win a lot of games. We had 40+ games last year with neither of them.
*Goofus already knows what's coming: Klay was 1/6 on 2PA. I think it's time to retire any long midrange 2Ps unless they're end of the shot clock. Layups and short open 2's only, Klay.
*The return of Casspi. Saric needed to shoot about 10 3PA this game. He only shot 5 and we had 5 possessions become either turnovers or heaves because the open shot created was not taken.
*CP3 came off the bench and played nearly 30 min. It's a bit too many minutes, but boy was he good. Felt like the Dubs even when they were missing were getting good looks out there.
*When Steph/CP3/GPII are healthy and performing, CoJo only got 9 min, Moody 7.5, and Podz 0. In an optimal world I think you bump up Moody and bump down CP3, but that's about managing egos and letting go of safety blankets.
> I don't exactly know how, but I would start with minimizing any turnovers while those two share the floor.
Imo Kuminga struggles to read the game quickly (which can get exacerbated against a team that plays as fast as the Kings). The Warriors need to limit the amount of decisions he makes to get the most out of him, make him more of a play finisher.
Maybe later in the season, CP's ego will give way to his aching body and he'll find that giving up a few minutes can be a win for everyone. He'll feel stronger and healthier, and the young guns will grow up to be guys they can count on in the clutch.
Somebody (DFiB, maybe?) mentioned in the game thread that he didn't care about the win, but he liked the vibe around the team.
I think that's more important than is being talked about. After last year's horrid start, building trust in each other and confidence in the team early in the season is significant.
So far, so good. Everyone has contributed something except Cojo, and he hasn't had a real chance to, yet.
I watch games a little delayed on youtube TV recording, so I'm generally not in the game thread... also, I love winning. Want all the wins. Even if it's a meaningless preseason game where the finishing lineup is Lester/Podz/TJD/Garuba/Johnson... need that win.
Same. I needed to reflect and rationalize when they were down 15+ pts. I was like "It's okay if they lose this one. It's not the regular season. The youngins need more run".
New E1P thread at https://dubnationhq.com/p/explain-one-play-steph-curry-game
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Leave some trace
Someone please give me more reasons to hope about Moody's individual defense. Big fan since pre-draft but saw him get repeatedly blown past or shot over in big moments last night. Didn't make mental mistakes I could see, just seemed too slow or stiff (can relate). I'm starting to fear the physical limits are too steep to earn the rotation.
For all the yoga love we've heard from from Loon & Mood, props to Steph winning the game by using Navasana pose to keep from touching out of bounds :)
I can’t help you on that one. On the latest Plus Minus episode they were talking about Moody being on the outside of the regular rotation to start the year.
My fear with Moody as stated before is that he cant play regular rotation minutes on a nightly basis. Gonna have to be matchup dependent. If he can become
A consistent pick and pop shooter then can space the floor nicely but the man just barrels into defenders going to the basket and gets caught in the air without knowing where to go. Defensively though is what’s going to determine playing time. If hes guarding someone like Klay at the 2 or 3 he stands a chance. Quicker guards and perimeter players are gonna absolutely bbq him.
I personally have little hope for him becoming a consistent NBA rotation piece but thats been my stand since Day 1 and believe it or not, further exacerbated watching him play in Santa Cruz
Doesn't he just have to play like Kyle slomo Anderson? Be smart and shoot/score and he can be a good bench piece. KA seems even slower if not intentionally?
Slow Mo's got an extra what, 3 inches of height? it matters!
I have very high hopes this year. Rarely makes mistakes and very good shooter. Plays very hard
He proved himself last playoffs, good shooter high IQ hustle player that makes big plays like a smaller Otto porter
TJD impressed last night to make me much, much less worried about Loon getting in foul trouble. TJD looks like he can handle a 3m stint to finish out a quarter to bridge Looney foul trouble and help keep Dray & Saric a little fresher...
Yeah, or if Loon isn't able to play all 82 again this year for rest, or, hopefully not, injury. Seems like the team can manage, despite the rookie whistle he's getting.
Was also impressed that a lot of guys got to 5 fouls but no one fouled out. Good discipline, at least at that point of the game.
Calloo, Callay! We already have ourselves an EA E1Play!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14r4rFwXRw
For those who prefer premature preseason celebration to waiting for the dnhq post.
We ready!!!
I watched the highlights today. What a fun game.
The Kings are a handful. I don't know that the Warriors have anyone who can handle D'Aaron Fox. I love his game. Did Kerr put GP II on him at any point? If so, how'd Payton do on him? Keegan Murray looks improved over last year, and he was pretty good as a rookie. They're sure fun to watch, too. Kangz no more.
Of course the Dubs are a handful, too, and they look like they're going to be way more fun than last year.
I'm got tickets for the Kings game on Nov. 1 way down in Mission Bay, and hoping the score might not be as close as it was last night with Looney and Draymond (if he's ready) in the game. But the Kings are a team to be reckoned with.
So I flew to another country to revisit a development course I did back in 2016. I just saw in the workbook corner I jotted down, "I need to find a healthy drama hook (to keep drama out of business or relationships)... Maybe NBA?" And on reflection: it's a resounding YES! It's been SUCH a blessed journey so far. And it's in no small measure thanks to this rarified community 🙏🏽
Fascinating. Do you really find that the drama you experience vicariously in sports helps keep drama out of business and personal life?
I would say not out (as we as humans seem to need it) but I find it reduces it to degrees in the parts of life where I don't need to add any
Wow- that is a really interesting way to sum up what sports can do for people.
I think one of the most important things about sport is its ability to help people channel urges and emotions that might otherwise not be very beneficial to society into an outlet that isn't harmful, relatively speaking.
Its not uncommon to hear modern sports being like gladiators of the past. And many gladiatorial games was often a way for rulers to “pacify” the masses.
Yeah, I feel that. Also, when you have essentially an entire small city's worth of inhabitants all feeling the same emotions together, it's an indescribable sense of kinship and community. That's the thing about seeing sports live. I was at a Giants playoff game in 2010 that we won in a majestic way and it was absolutely amazing.
So, here were JK's TOs:
1. Easy handoff to Klay that got bobbled. I put that one more on Klay, but I suppose JK could have been a bit more forceful to make sure the defender didn't get a hand in there.
2. Stepped out of bounds under the basket. Made a great cut, but barely had a foot on the end-line when he received the pass.
3. Bad transition pass trying to push the ball ahead. Needs to better know who's where.
4. Unforceful pass in traffic to a cutting Saric, which let the defender get a hand in there. Maybe could have held onto the ball a moment longer and made it a bounce pass or something, but this is kind of an acceptable TO to me.
5. Bobble trying to dribble drive in isolation attack. He does this too much, but it's part of the learning experience...
All in all, to me it was 2 TOs that aren't very bad at all, 2 bad ones, and a "the right pass" that could have been better executed. I'm not too mad at these, to be honest.
Yeah, on that ambitious throw ahead to Steph, I heard "Because no one ever got benched for passing to Steph ... well, except JK that one time"
I do wonder if some of his bad decisions are because he's just trying stuff out in pre-season, and he'll dial it back a bit when the real games start. Or, maybe I'm hoping that is the case.
I love this kind of contextualized analysis. Often we take a bulk number like 80% FG% !!! And then you realize that no one was guarding the guy and he somehow barely banked in 4 out 5 and it's like hmmm that matters. I thought Kuminga was a blend of careless and unlucky, as you point out. The careless stuff he needs to get better at.
It’s so much fun to relive the game. Thanks, Daniel, especially for the “icy, whirling currents.” Steph’s step back on Fox was so cold!
I appreciate the enthusiasm with which this article urges us to never doubt Stephen Curry. Correct!
And yet, if there were ever a group of diehards who gave up doubting Stephen Curry about 14 years ago, this is NON-DOUBTING GROUND ZERO. We are ON BOARD the Steph Train.
There was one basket, Steph had the ball, TJD rolled with him, and Steph could've pulled up for the short range floater but instead he dumped it off to TJD for the dunk. And I said, I'm glad TJD was ready for that one and his hands didn't bobble or drop it. It was smooth. I have a good feeling about this kid.
Ha ha, I was just about to post another random thought about TJD; his hands look to be really nice. A couple of the feeds he got weren’t right in the pocket, and he seemed fine handling them. I don’t think of Looney as having “bad” hands per se, but TJD’s look like an asset.
My favorite wins are the hard-earned kind. Last night was fabulous.
Hard not to enjoy the 4-0 preseason. I know the games don't count, and yet, it feels like they at least matter for giving us a peek into how the chemistry is coming along. Looking good so far.
Steph Curry. That's all I've got to say about him.
JK has had a great preseason, but was he really -17 in this game? He supposedly did that in 29 minutes... If true, he's going to have to clean that up, or he may find himself sitting more than he imagines.
TJD did some nice things out there. It says here that he's going to be a contributor this season.
CP off the bench -- finally. His numbers look pretty good. How did he look out there?
Rant: I've been reduced to watching highlights for now. Amazingly, being back in the Bay Area means never being able to watch the Dubs live on NBA League Pass. It's a miserable service with all of the blackouts.
I pay the exorbitant amount ($70+) for Youtube TV and justify/rationalize it thusly:
1) Going to the game costs massive amounts of time and money, not including food and drink and parking.
2) I have nearly as much fun watching in my living room as I do when I am at the game.
3) I watch pretty much all the games on TV, around 10-15 per month, basically a season ticket.
4) I'm getting a season ticket for the equivalent of $5/game. Plus I can eat what I want.
Giants baseball (and a limited amount of Niners football that I won't officially admit to because the NFL is a crime) makes it even better- same justifications/rationalizations apply.
https://watchreplay.net/
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Wow that's very helpful. Thank you!!
VPN. Ur welcome.
excuse the ignorance... a vpn, so that LP doesn't know the location, thus no blackout?
Yeah basically! Use a VPN to access LP from somewhere not blacked out
this is the way.
A couple thoughts:
*That was incredibly entertaining. Both teams obviously cared and that makes all the difference.
*Steph was Steph near the end. He was hitting absurd shot after absurd shot, trying hard, being in the right place at the right time. Steph was Steph at the beginning. He had 4 completely careless turnovers and caused turnovers for his teammates.
*Steph also flopped a little too much for my liking today. Very minimal contact on that dive to the corner. Flopped on one of those 3Ps near the end (maybe the banked in one?). I wish floppers didn't get rewarded, because it's one of the only non-aesthetic parts of his game.
*Kuminga was hitting shots today. But he had 5 turnovers and had a couple other 50/50 balls that could have been. He's going to have some major growing pains this year, but they need to keep playing him. He's still the changeup they need.
*One of a couple reasons I'm still a Kuminga skeptic popped up in this game. He consistently drags Curry lineups down. In the two major stretches JK and Steph played together, they were -14. It absolutely has to be something JK figures out, because it's the surest way to the doghouse. Steph minutes are precious. I don't exactly know how, but I would start with minimizing any turnovers while those two share the floor.
*GPII and Wiggins both looked incredible. If we get those two playing like that, the Dubs will win a lot of games. We had 40+ games last year with neither of them.
*Goofus already knows what's coming: Klay was 1/6 on 2PA. I think it's time to retire any long midrange 2Ps unless they're end of the shot clock. Layups and short open 2's only, Klay.
*The return of Casspi. Saric needed to shoot about 10 3PA this game. He only shot 5 and we had 5 possessions become either turnovers or heaves because the open shot created was not taken.
*CP3 came off the bench and played nearly 30 min. It's a bit too many minutes, but boy was he good. Felt like the Dubs even when they were missing were getting good looks out there.
*When Steph/CP3/GPII are healthy and performing, CoJo only got 9 min, Moody 7.5, and Podz 0. In an optimal world I think you bump up Moody and bump down CP3, but that's about managing egos and letting go of safety blankets.
> I don't exactly know how, but I would start with minimizing any turnovers while those two share the floor.
Imo Kuminga struggles to read the game quickly (which can get exacerbated against a team that plays as fast as the Kings). The Warriors need to limit the amount of decisions he makes to get the most out of him, make him more of a play finisher.
Maybe later in the season, CP's ego will give way to his aching body and he'll find that giving up a few minutes can be a win for everyone. He'll feel stronger and healthier, and the young guns will grow up to be guys they can count on in the clutch.
Empty corner play explanation by JV
Love these educational pieces!
https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2023/10/19/23923573/warriors-kings-116-115-steph-curry-klay-thompson-chris-paul-jonathan-kuminga-film-breakdown
Not sure if this was posted yet:
Steph interviewed as part of Dubs talk
https://youtu.be/HwjgRCCaH20?si=gIaQ-HPaLZ9y3tEZ
Somebody (DFiB, maybe?) mentioned in the game thread that he didn't care about the win, but he liked the vibe around the team.
I think that's more important than is being talked about. After last year's horrid start, building trust in each other and confidence in the team early in the season is significant.
So far, so good. Everyone has contributed something except Cojo, and he hasn't had a real chance to, yet.
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Here, have a vowel as partial repayment.
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I watch games a little delayed on youtube TV recording, so I'm generally not in the game thread... also, I love winning. Want all the wins. Even if it's a meaningless preseason game where the finishing lineup is Lester/Podz/TJD/Garuba/Johnson... need that win.
Same. I needed to reflect and rationalize when they were down 15+ pts. I was like "It's okay if they lose this one. It's not the regular season. The youngins need more run".