I gotta admit, seeing Paul run back up the floor in a W's jersey struck a strong, "That just ain't right" vibe for me. Which is not to say I don't look forward to him pulling all his dirty (and otherwise) tricks on W's opponents this season. :D
Nice to see the Ws get any win against the Lakers. Always.
On a tangentially related note, I'm done with NBA League Pass. Tried to watch the game a day later and it still wasn't available. A preseason game. Ludicrous.
Having read the blackout restrictions, I think I understand that being back in the Bay Area, I'll pretty much never see a live Warrior game unless it is broadcast or on cable -- never on league pass. Is that about right?
From what I gathered, Hulu + live TV may be the cheapest (legal) option for in-market folks. Tho it still is not cheap. Currently 3 months at $50/Month and then up to $70/month regular. This gets you ad-version of Hulu, Disney+, ESPN+, as well as all the regular cable channels including ESPN, TNT, and NBC sports Bay area that you will need to see all live games.
Going the regular cable route and bundling with your internet may still get you a better deal though, I don't know.
I'm liking Podz, I hope he turns out as our own version of "Austin Reaves" for the Warriors in terms of impact and productivity, came out of nowhere and became a big contributor for the Lakers.
White dude, around 6'5", fundamentally sound basketball IQ etc.. Austin Reaves helped beat the Warriors..smart player and I think would blend in well if he played in the Warriors system. I'm saying if Podz can make the same contribution off the bench like Reaves did it would be really great specially in year 1.
Rudy Gay *is* big. He’s got 10 lbs, two inches of wingspan, and 0.5” of standing reach on Al Horford … and yet no one thinks of Horford as anything but a big man?
Its not a matter of physical size, but of skillset and spirit.
Having spent the vast majority of his career at SF, can Gay navigate the no mans land of pick and roll defense? Does he have the footwork and timing to set screens and spring forth open shots/easy buckets off the roll?
Now that he's no longer a height/size mismatch at the SF position, does he have the will and fortitude to subject his body to constant punishment as a screener? Is he willing and able to position himself amongst trees and ricochet between them to secure boards? As his chest is pounded by opposing centers in the post, will the lifelong SF willingly meet their punishment and refuse to give ground?
Al Horford has been a center his entire career. He's been asked these questions on the best and brightest stages and all have heard his answer. Nobody doubts Horford as a big man because he's already taken the test and passed with flying colors. Gay, on the other hand, has slowly and reluctantly transitioned to this role as age has forced his hand.
Given his recent experience as a PF with the Spurs, there is hope that he has developed the skillset to make the jump to center. However, is his spirit willing to place his body under the punishment required to play at center? That, unfortunately, remains a question to be answered and at this point is a leap of faith.
Gay has rebounded at a slightly better rate than Horford over the past five seasons (8.51 reb per 36 to 8.36) which to me suggests he's taking pretty well to the "spirit" of playing as a full-time big.
Cowboys aren't in the same league as the Niners in 2023 and couldn't even beat them with Jimmy G. I don't know why they're trying to re-ignite this "rivalry". It isn't the 90s anymore.
Wiggins D picked up from where he left off last year and he’s still working on his offensive flow. At this rate he might end up as the 6th or 7th starter if/when Dray gets back to the starting lineup. I hope Prime 2 Way Wiggins comes to dominate the league when the regular season starts.
Also, I’m already starting to fret about Dario Saric walking at the end of the season. Seems pretty certain he’ll rebuild his value and head for Green pastures, like Porter, GP2 and DDV did. Ironically, Bjeli, who Šarić reminds us of, was the one who didn’t; he just peaced out and went home wearing a ring.
Something as simple as Bjeli coming back for one more season (instead of JMG) could’ve had a profound effect on the outcome of the season.
But, isn't that the point, that we want him to increase his value to where we can't afford him? If he is able to come back, that means he didn't look great this year.
Don't care, they'll just sign someone else. OPJ will be a free agent again, among others. OPJ's success probably led to them signing Saric in the first place, guys realize they can rehab their value playing on Golden State.
Wiggs and Dray both took substantial discounts off their previous contracts to stick around, and Klay has expressed a willingness to do the same. And Steph (as you allude to) is woefully underpaid relative to his value to the franchise, even at his current salary and age.
In any case, any of them taking an even bigger discount wouldn’t really affect the team’s ability to re-sign Saric. If they can re-sign Klay to a Dray/Wiggs-level extension, I *think* they can get under the second apron and offer Saric the TPMLE.
Not at all sure how CP3 fits into that plan — my sense is that they’ll “cross that bridge when the they get to it” and let CP3 walk at age 39 if they have to.
But I mean, the whole point of the CBA is to make it as tough as possible for good teams to keep all their players. It’s why the world champion Nuggets lost Bruce Brown and Jeff Green, for example.
But I guess I’m not exactly sure what you’re advocating. You want the Warriors to ensure a “*continuous* roster” rather than “constantly adjusting” it … by letting Dray and Klay walk?
You understand the "core" is part of the roster, right? And their continual place on the roster as starters, imparts a pretty critical element of continuity. They're far more critical for continuity than the 8th, 9th, 10th man in the rotation, imo.
1. Our consensus has been that Paul’s primary incremental benefit is running the 2nd unit, but what if the Curry-Paul magic is just too good, the defense doesn’t suffer too much and it becomes apparent they should start? Does Draymond become the 6th man? He patted himself on the back when he came off the bench previously, always talks about what’s best for the team and he’s got his deal 🤷🏼♂️. Kerr has said he didn’t want to play JK, Dray and Loon together, but what about Dray and Šarić, along with Moody and then maybe Curry and Paul staggering the PG duties once the subs start rolling in?
2. The consensus assumption has also been that Podz will play a lot of G-League and maybe shuttle back and forth to be available for garbage time, but he played a lot last nigh. Obviously, Paul starting and CoJo out created an opportunity, but do we think he has a chance to win 3rd string PG ahead of CoJo?
If the Warriors are going to use Wiggins off ball on one of the guys standing in the corner on D then he’s a natural fit with the second unit if CP3 must start.
Setting aside egos, etc., CP3 still makes way more sense to me coming off the bench than any of the OG starting five.
(1) The OG starting lineup was *the best in the NBA* last season — if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
(2) CP3 and Steph may be a beautiful offensive combo, but could pose defensive issues (see Steph + JP ‘21-23).
(3) Dray’s a great point forward, but he can’t run a non-Steph offense at anywhere near the level CP3 can. Separating CP3’s and Steph’s minutes as much as possible allows you to keep at least one of them on the floor all times.
"could pose defensive issues (see Steph + JP ‘21-23)" That's a really strange comparison. JP plays no defense to speak of. CP3 made 7 All Defensive 1st teams and 2 All Defensive 2nd teams. Yeah, he's old now but he still is an excellent defender, not merely good.
I’m talking more about size than skill — it’s always gonna be suboptimal to have a backcourt comprised of a 5’-11” and a 6’-2” guy (neither with a plus wingspan).
I also kinda doubt Paul is still “excellent” at D, given that’s one area that tends to erode most as players age. But I don’t doubt that he’s a huge defensive upgrade on JP.
So, if CP3 is sixth man, who does he come in for? I’d make the argument for Green to sit before Curry sits and return earlier as well.
Later in the quarter/half, before Curry subs back in for Paul, I’d be interested in seeing what a Paul, Moody, JK, DG, Saric team looks like. Depending on matchups, of course.
Interesting that the Bleacher Report writer who predicted all the first round picks' destinations (starter, bench or G League) thought Podz was a bench player.
"Hustle and instinct plays could ultimately help separate the rookie and drive his value this year, as Podziemski has an unteachable knack for tracking down misses, winning rebounding battles and forcing turnovers."
I sort of agree and don't think the g-league is a good place for him anyway. Too much one on one, with players showcasing their skill rather than playing as a team, which is to be expected of a league that turns over its rosters so much. The kid is just incredibly lucky to play behind two of the top five point guards of all time and a guy Pop said is 'a consummate professional who uses every bit of his ability'
I also note that Kerr made a point of replying to a question about Podz playing the point by talking about his skill as a guard generally, which I take to mean he doesn't think of him as fourth string, but instead a useful reserve of the sort the Bleacher writer described. High energy guy that might come in handy as the long season plods on.
I say he makes the roster and stays the year. No g league. Don't think his presence will depend on his shooting numbers.
Barring injuries, there just aren't enough minutes for Podz this year - I'd imagine he'll need some time in the G-league just to get some run. The Dubs can trot out last year's five starters, plus a regular bench of two point guards (CP3 and CoJo), Moody, JK, Saric, and GP2. That's 11 guys, all with considerable NBA experience. Unless Podz absolutely dazzles out there, I think Kerr will keep him on the bench except for garbage time when he's up with the big club.
Because he could read it as the team trying to depress his market value in the middle of delicate contract extension discussions. Or if he signs a team-friendly extension and then they immediately bench him, he could read it as backstabbing.
Klay’s not coming off the bench this season, so it’s sort of a pointless topic. In a year or two, maybe.
Remember a few years back when Kerr always had either Klay or Steph on the court? Of course they started and often were together but sometimes one or the other was in a mixed squad of subs and starters, especially Klay. I can see that happening again.
That's not what AS or TK has been saying - he's said that Loon's status at this point has been cemented and they won't jerk him in and out of the lineup anymore.
If Klay plays like last night, I think Klay is out.
Klay being out makes the most sense as if CP3 is the point guard, Curry becomes the shooting guard. However, I really can't see the Warriors surviving on defense with both Curry and CP3 out there, it is just to easy for opponents to get a mismatch (with all due respect to Curry who I've consistently said is a better defender than he is given credit for)
Curry and Paul are dogged defenders. We all know how underrated Curry is, but Timpf said CP3 is better than his numbers. He played so many minutes and didn’t/couldn’t give consistent defense effort, but could still be a plus defender when it mattered. Would point his reduced minutes here being a big damns deal.
Plus, they’d be out there getting help from Wiggins, Draymond and Looney. I hear they’re pretty good.
I think it will work and be useful, but it feels to me more situationally effective defensively compared to the current assumed starting 5. Curry and Paul overlap a lot in who they'd best guard, while Klay is defending bigger now.
Edit to add:
Maybe the offense plays hella great and makes up the difference. I'd love to see it in action!
I literally just watch Wiseman when Detroit is playing, just observing his movements etc. I'm glad Warriors traded him. I thought it was just with the Warriors not able to utilize him to his fullest, but I think it's his mindset/IQ that is lacking. I mean you could see he is out there hustling and trying his best but he just looks lost out there. It seems opposing players don't see he is there and his teammates don't even pass him the ball. Also, when he is playing all of of sudden his team is down and losing, and then when he is subbed out his team is performing better. He scored 4 points with -13 net rating (tied 2nd lowest in his team).
I think more of confidence is down...Warriors coaching and staff have the best ability to get the best out of its players but if they gave up on Wiseman so early and was open to trade him just to get GP2 back, they may know something more into this than the rest of the league. I'm hoping he turns it around and eventually reach his potential, now not so much..looking like a wasted No. 2 pick and will be hard to shake off the 'bust' label.
He got the ball. I saw the game. He fumbled it a couple of times, was called for traveling. He passed out of a double-team a couple of times, putting the Suns in rotation, which was good. He made contact on his screens.
I know the tendency is to rush to judgment and declare Bagley an All-Star and Wiseman a scrub, but it is actually a bit hard to compare. I hope Monty won't go by one game, and I hope JWise doesn't turn the gap into a self-fulfilling prophecy by getting down. Fact is, Wiseman played a lot in the first half when the Suns regulars were still playing. The Suns were shooting 85% from the floor, no matter what anybody did. Hands in the face, fouls, whatever. In contrast, Bagley didn't play until the second half when KD, Booker, and I think Beal were literally sitting in street clothes. That may have factored in Bagley playing so much better than Wiseman. But, maybe not. Hope we'll see. Next up, OKC. Thursday.
Yeah, feels like they could have used more JJ in the second half, and more Laney throughout. Basically, the dirty work players. The guards should shoot better in Game 2, but turning the game into a contest of pure talent isn't the best bet against Vegas, I think. That late-third and early-fourth quarter run looked like vintage Warriors.
By the by, he has a Patreon with longer videos and some extra stuff, it’s a few dollars a month. Always been worth it to me, if anybody else likes his YouTube stuff it’s definitely worth considering.
New spacious thread at https://dubnationhq.com/p/dub-nation-hq-comments-of-week-plus-a48
I gotta admit, seeing Paul run back up the floor in a W's jersey struck a strong, "That just ain't right" vibe for me. Which is not to say I don't look forward to him pulling all his dirty (and otherwise) tricks on W's opponents this season. :D
Nice to see the Ws get any win against the Lakers. Always.
On a tangentially related note, I'm done with NBA League Pass. Tried to watch the game a day later and it still wasn't available. A preseason game. Ludicrous.
Having read the blackout restrictions, I think I understand that being back in the Bay Area, I'll pretty much never see a live Warrior game unless it is broadcast or on cable -- never on league pass. Is that about right?
From what I gathered, Hulu + live TV may be the cheapest (legal) option for in-market folks. Tho it still is not cheap. Currently 3 months at $50/Month and then up to $70/month regular. This gets you ad-version of Hulu, Disney+, ESPN+, as well as all the regular cable channels including ESPN, TNT, and NBC sports Bay area that you will need to see all live games.
Going the regular cable route and bundling with your internet may still get you a better deal though, I don't know.
If you’re in the Bay Area, YouTube tv, or the csnba app + espn app + tnt app will cover you
> Is that about right?
Unfortunately... I believe it is. LP is really only useful out of market.
I'm liking Podz, I hope he turns out as our own version of "Austin Reaves" for the Warriors in terms of impact and productivity, came out of nowhere and became a big contributor for the Lakers.
Ew… why? He’s the 19th draft pick, just barely out of the lottery… that’s so far from undrafted. There’s no reason to make this comparison.
White dude, around 6'5", fundamentally sound basketball IQ etc.. Austin Reaves helped beat the Warriors..smart player and I think would blend in well if he played in the Warriors system. I'm saying if Podz can make the same contribution off the bench like Reaves did it would be really great specially in year 1.
Rudy Gay *is* big. He’s got 10 lbs, two inches of wingspan, and 0.5” of standing reach on Al Horford … and yet no one thinks of Horford as anything but a big man?
Its not a matter of physical size, but of skillset and spirit.
Having spent the vast majority of his career at SF, can Gay navigate the no mans land of pick and roll defense? Does he have the footwork and timing to set screens and spring forth open shots/easy buckets off the roll?
Now that he's no longer a height/size mismatch at the SF position, does he have the will and fortitude to subject his body to constant punishment as a screener? Is he willing and able to position himself amongst trees and ricochet between them to secure boards? As his chest is pounded by opposing centers in the post, will the lifelong SF willingly meet their punishment and refuse to give ground?
Al Horford has been a center his entire career. He's been asked these questions on the best and brightest stages and all have heard his answer. Nobody doubts Horford as a big man because he's already taken the test and passed with flying colors. Gay, on the other hand, has slowly and reluctantly transitioned to this role as age has forced his hand.
Given his recent experience as a PF with the Spurs, there is hope that he has developed the skillset to make the jump to center. However, is his spirit willing to place his body under the punishment required to play at center? That, unfortunately, remains a question to be answered and at this point is a leap of faith.
Gay has rebounded at a slightly better rate than Horford over the past five seasons (8.51 reb per 36 to 8.36) which to me suggests he's taking pretty well to the "spirit" of playing as a full-time big.
Horford was a power forward for most of his career
Not according to play by play data which has him at center for the majority of his career.
Well, somewhere somehow there are people at least 2 inches taller than him. He can't be that big if that is possible. He ain't that big.
Kudos to Kuminga for playing so well after celebrating his 21st! Celebrating 21 has led to many a rough performance over the years.
Yessss this Birdman gif!! Brr! Lets gooo
BRRRR
Not sure if that was the Niners out there tonight or the 2015 Warriors the way the starters were resting in the fourth quarter.
Cowboys aren't in the same league as the Niners in 2023 and couldn't even beat them with Jimmy G. I don't know why they're trying to re-ignite this "rivalry". It isn't the 90s anymore.
Wiggins D picked up from where he left off last year and he’s still working on his offensive flow. At this rate he might end up as the 6th or 7th starter if/when Dray gets back to the starting lineup. I hope Prime 2 Way Wiggins comes to dominate the league when the regular season starts.
Chris Duarte tonight for SacTown: 14 minutes, 2-9 fg (0-6 from 3), 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 4 fouls, -21.
Call me crazy, but I think Moses and Jon can be as good as this guy in five years when they’re his current age.
Also, I’m already starting to fret about Dario Saric walking at the end of the season. Seems pretty certain he’ll rebuild his value and head for Green pastures, like Porter, GP2 and DDV did. Ironically, Bjeli, who Šarić reminds us of, was the one who didn’t; he just peaced out and went home wearing a ring.
Something as simple as Bjeli coming back for one more season (instead of JMG) could’ve had a profound effect on the outcome of the season.
But, isn't that the point, that we want him to increase his value to where we can't afford him? If he is able to come back, that means he didn't look great this year.
Don't care, they'll just sign someone else. OPJ will be a free agent again, among others. OPJ's success probably led to them signing Saric in the first place, guys realize they can rehab their value playing on Golden State.
For me, it's really very easy to see this pattern... it may not last forever, but easy to point out to FAs...
Also they might be under the second apron next season and have access to their MLE so if they really want Saric they can probably keep him.
So, Lacob has to convince Saric to make Klay his super buddy, so Klay starts really considering that $25M/year contract?
Going home after winning a championship is the definition of “heading for greener pastures”, imo
Wiggs and Dray both took substantial discounts off their previous contracts to stick around, and Klay has expressed a willingness to do the same. And Steph (as you allude to) is woefully underpaid relative to his value to the franchise, even at his current salary and age.
In any case, any of them taking an even bigger discount wouldn’t really affect the team’s ability to re-sign Saric. If they can re-sign Klay to a Dray/Wiggs-level extension, I *think* they can get under the second apron and offer Saric the TPMLE.
Not at all sure how CP3 fits into that plan — my sense is that they’ll “cross that bridge when the they get to it” and let CP3 walk at age 39 if they have to.
But I mean, the whole point of the CBA is to make it as tough as possible for good teams to keep all their players. It’s why the world champion Nuggets lost Bruce Brown and Jeff Green, for example.
But I guess I’m not exactly sure what you’re advocating. You want the Warriors to ensure a “*continuous* roster” rather than “constantly adjusting” it … by letting Dray and Klay walk?
You understand the "core" is part of the roster, right? And their continual place on the roster as starters, imparts a pretty critical element of continuity. They're far more critical for continuity than the 8th, 9th, 10th man in the rotation, imo.
> Core continuity at the cost of roster discontinuity.
This is the part I was responding to, haha. It seemed worthy of a counterpoint, but yeah... procrastination is real.
My big questions after last night’s game:
1. Our consensus has been that Paul’s primary incremental benefit is running the 2nd unit, but what if the Curry-Paul magic is just too good, the defense doesn’t suffer too much and it becomes apparent they should start? Does Draymond become the 6th man? He patted himself on the back when he came off the bench previously, always talks about what’s best for the team and he’s got his deal 🤷🏼♂️. Kerr has said he didn’t want to play JK, Dray and Loon together, but what about Dray and Šarić, along with Moody and then maybe Curry and Paul staggering the PG duties once the subs start rolling in?
2. The consensus assumption has also been that Podz will play a lot of G-League and maybe shuttle back and forth to be available for garbage time, but he played a lot last nigh. Obviously, Paul starting and CoJo out created an opportunity, but do we think he has a chance to win 3rd string PG ahead of CoJo?
Lineups fun?
If the Warriors are going to use Wiggins off ball on one of the guys standing in the corner on D then he’s a natural fit with the second unit if CP3 must start.
1) CP, Curry, Klay, Dray, Looney
2) quick sub GP2 for CP for on ball D.
3) 2nd lineup CP/Joseph/GP2, Moody, Wiggs, Kuminga, Saric.
Victory cigar lineup) Joseph, Podz, Moody, Kuminga, Davis. Go big with Garuba in for Joseph.
Setting aside egos, etc., CP3 still makes way more sense to me coming off the bench than any of the OG starting five.
(1) The OG starting lineup was *the best in the NBA* last season — if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
(2) CP3 and Steph may be a beautiful offensive combo, but could pose defensive issues (see Steph + JP ‘21-23).
(3) Dray’s a great point forward, but he can’t run a non-Steph offense at anywhere near the level CP3 can. Separating CP3’s and Steph’s minutes as much as possible allows you to keep at least one of them on the floor all times.
"could pose defensive issues (see Steph + JP ‘21-23)" That's a really strange comparison. JP plays no defense to speak of. CP3 made 7 All Defensive 1st teams and 2 All Defensive 2nd teams. Yeah, he's old now but he still is an excellent defender, not merely good.
I’m talking more about size than skill — it’s always gonna be suboptimal to have a backcourt comprised of a 5’-11” and a 6’-2” guy (neither with a plus wingspan).
I also kinda doubt Paul is still “excellent” at D, given that’s one area that tends to erode most as players age. But I don’t doubt that he’s a huge defensive upgrade on JP.
So, if CP3 is sixth man, who does he come in for? I’d make the argument for Green to sit before Curry sits and return earlier as well.
Later in the quarter/half, before Curry subs back in for Paul, I’d be interested in seeing what a Paul, Moody, JK, DG, Saric team looks like. Depending on matchups, of course.
So many options!
Interesting that the Bleacher Report writer who predicted all the first round picks' destinations (starter, bench or G League) thought Podz was a bench player.
"Hustle and instinct plays could ultimately help separate the rookie and drive his value this year, as Podziemski has an unteachable knack for tracking down misses, winning rebounding battles and forcing turnovers."
I sort of agree and don't think the g-league is a good place for him anyway. Too much one on one, with players showcasing their skill rather than playing as a team, which is to be expected of a league that turns over its rosters so much. The kid is just incredibly lucky to play behind two of the top five point guards of all time and a guy Pop said is 'a consummate professional who uses every bit of his ability'
I also note that Kerr made a point of replying to a question about Podz playing the point by talking about his skill as a guard generally, which I take to mean he doesn't think of him as fourth string, but instead a useful reserve of the sort the Bleacher writer described. High energy guy that might come in handy as the long season plods on.
I say he makes the roster and stays the year. No g league. Don't think his presence will depend on his shooting numbers.
We know he’s going to make the roster. He’s a first rounder on a guaranteed deal.
Barring injuries, there just aren't enough minutes for Podz this year - I'd imagine he'll need some time in the G-league just to get some run. The Dubs can trot out last year's five starters, plus a regular bench of two point guards (CP3 and CoJo), Moody, JK, Saric, and GP2. That's 11 guys, all with considerable NBA experience. Unless Podz absolutely dazzles out there, I think Kerr will keep him on the bench except for garbage time when he's up with the big club.
1. Let him rip CoJo's minutes away.
2. There's gonna be injuries, and there's gonna be B2Bs where Steph and/or Chris sit out.
3. Santa Cruz isn't far away, can go back and forth.
Loon will be the sixth man if it comes to that.
But Dray battling against bench players would preserve his body for the end of games.
Way too early to tell what is best, but I think Klay could come off the bench. He would still get his minutes.
He’s in a contract year. I could see that being a problem.
Why?
Because he could read it as the team trying to depress his market value in the middle of delicate contract extension discussions. Or if he signs a team-friendly extension and then they immediately bench him, he could read it as backstabbing.
Klay’s not coming off the bench this season, so it’s sort of a pointless topic. In a year or two, maybe.
Remember a few years back when Kerr always had either Klay or Steph on the court? Of course they started and often were together but sometimes one or the other was in a mixed squad of subs and starters, especially Klay. I can see that happening again.
So Klay is still insecure about his career?
That's not what AS or TK has been saying - he's said that Loon's status at this point has been cemented and they won't jerk him in and out of the lineup anymore.
If Klay plays like last night, I think Klay is out.
Klay being out makes the most sense as if CP3 is the point guard, Curry becomes the shooting guard. However, I really can't see the Warriors surviving on defense with both Curry and CP3 out there, it is just to easy for opponents to get a mismatch (with all due respect to Curry who I've consistently said is a better defender than he is given credit for)
Curry and Paul are dogged defenders. We all know how underrated Curry is, but Timpf said CP3 is better than his numbers. He played so many minutes and didn’t/couldn’t give consistent defense effort, but could still be a plus defender when it mattered. Would point his reduced minutes here being a big damns deal.
Plus, they’d be out there getting help from Wiggins, Draymond and Looney. I hear they’re pretty good.
I think it will work and be useful, but it feels to me more situationally effective defensively compared to the current assumed starting 5. Curry and Paul overlap a lot in who they'd best guard, while Klay is defending bigger now.
Edit to add:
Maybe the offense plays hella great and makes up the difference. I'd love to see it in action!
Just looked at Detroit stats. Wiseman: 15 minutes with 4 pts and 7 rebounds.
Rebounds per minute looks good and hopefully that stat is indicative of his devolvepment. Just rooting for him to carve out a role in the league.
I literally just watch Wiseman when Detroit is playing, just observing his movements etc. I'm glad Warriors traded him. I thought it was just with the Warriors not able to utilize him to his fullest, but I think it's his mindset/IQ that is lacking. I mean you could see he is out there hustling and trying his best but he just looks lost out there. It seems opposing players don't see he is there and his teammates don't even pass him the ball. Also, when he is playing all of of sudden his team is down and losing, and then when he is subbed out his team is performing better. He scored 4 points with -13 net rating (tied 2nd lowest in his team).
I think more of confidence is down...Warriors coaching and staff have the best ability to get the best out of its players but if they gave up on Wiseman so early and was open to trade him just to get GP2 back, they may know something more into this than the rest of the league. I'm hoping he turns it around and eventually reach his potential, now not so much..looking like a wasted No. 2 pick and will be hard to shake off the 'bust' label.
-13 in 16 minutes in a 4-point game (-22 net on-off). :-(
Didn't pass the eye test for me. Same old JW - absolutely lost on the offensive end, and no one willing to give him the ball in the post.
He got the ball. I saw the game. He fumbled it a couple of times, was called for traveling. He passed out of a double-team a couple of times, putting the Suns in rotation, which was good. He made contact on his screens.
I know the tendency is to rush to judgment and declare Bagley an All-Star and Wiseman a scrub, but it is actually a bit hard to compare. I hope Monty won't go by one game, and I hope JWise doesn't turn the gap into a self-fulfilling prophecy by getting down. Fact is, Wiseman played a lot in the first half when the Suns regulars were still playing. The Suns were shooting 85% from the floor, no matter what anybody did. Hands in the face, fouls, whatever. In contrast, Bagley didn't play until the second half when KD, Booker, and I think Beal were literally sitting in street clothes. That may have factored in Bagley playing so much better than Wiseman. But, maybe not. Hope we'll see. Next up, OKC. Thursday.
If that? He’s gotta beat out Bagley, who tonight put up 25 pts / 7 reb on 10-14 fg and was a +19 in 22 minutes.
Such a bizarre pick-up by Detroit with Duren, Stewart, and Bagley already in place.
Probably 3rd or 4th string center behind Duran, Beef Stew and Bagley.
OT Liberty lost badly to the Aces. Any analysis here?
So Aces backcourt predominating. A new strategy?
Sabrina not hitting. Slew not hitting. Not getting in to JJ enough.
This happened several times in the season, but the next game the Liberty prevailed. Can Sandy adjust?
Yeah, feels like they could have used more JJ in the second half, and more Laney throughout. Basically, the dirty work players. The guards should shoot better in Game 2, but turning the game into a contest of pure talent isn't the best bet against Vegas, I think. That late-third and early-fourth quarter run looked like vintage Warriors.
Alc's take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ubthWZqOxU
By the by, he has a Patreon with longer videos and some extra stuff, it’s a few dollars a month. Always been worth it to me, if anybody else likes his YouTube stuff it’s definitely worth considering.
I was just coming here to share if no one had. It was good stuff, as usual.
A view from the other side: https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2023-10-08/los-angeles-lakers-golden-state-warriors-preseason-nba-game-analysis