> The Warriors are holding free-agent workouts with veterans Dion Waiters, Tony Snell, Kent Bazemore, Juan Toscano-Anderson, Harry Giles and Trey Burke at facility over next two weeks, sources tell me and @anthonyVslater. GS has multiple round of workouts to identify signings.
To expand... the 14th player is always going to be of marginal talent and athleticism... so why not bring back a system player who knows the system, can help the new guys learn the system, and contribute without huge negatives?
If we had JTA instead of Lamb last year, you bet (1) new/young guys would've learned the system faster, (2) there would've been a lot less controversy, and (3) they likely would've won at least one more game due to (1), and JTA knowing the system, (4) and there would've been better bench mob celebrations.
I'd say Maybe to JTA. If he is the guy we had in '20-'21, I'm very interested. If he's the guy we had in '21-'22 or the guy the Lakers and Jazz had last season, that would be a hell no.
As much as I like JTA, my preference here would be the size Giles brings and roll the dice on him being healthy, but if it's JTA, I think you'll get the guy from 20-21. It's pretty clear JTA is not a great 3 point shooter when defended, but is a pretty good open catch and shoot guy. I think he just didn't get the open shots at LA / NO (and had a hurt ankle, which doesn't help).
JTA's pretty much a "system" spot player, but GS has the system he needs to be productive. JTA's averages at UTAH were not that far off his GS ones, except for 3 point percentage. And in reading Lakers post-mortems, nobody complained about his D or energy, and most of them were disappointed that he "negatively affected the spacing of the team on offense." The Lakers were a team without spacing anyway at that point, and JTA's not that guy. But that's fine on GS where you've got threes at all the other positions if you want them.
14th roster spot. Id say these are actually really good candidates. If Waiters has really turned his whole life around and put in the work, remember this was who Jerry West was really really high on that draft.
For the 14th roster slot, JTA would be great. He knows the Bay and the Dubs' system and would be a great locker room guy. Plus Eric could rev up the Our Guy Juanito fanfare.
Wild to remember that Steph was once defended this way, as if he were a mere mortal, and even wilder to realize he's basically just as effective now, despite the windows for his shots getting so much narrower through the years.
Also, around the 3:13 mark you can watch him absolutely roast future WFL Nemanja Bjelica :)
Lets go!! Yet another championship on the Warriors warpath to become THE premiere franchise of the NBA. Our main competition is the Lakers (8 championships in the Salary Cap Era), the Spurs (five championships in the Salary Cap Era), and the Bulls (6 championships in the Salary Cap Era).
I watched this, it was moderately entertaining. The casting is good as far as entertainment value but they got a lot of the characterization pretty far off according to most ex-Laker players and former FO people, whatever that's worth
It's a comedy, not a documentary. They took player qualities/personalities and exaggerated them to make a really off the wall series. I found it hysterical, but hidden between the lines, there was a lot going on. Jerry Buss was one of the all time characters. Portrayals of Jerry West, coaches, Pat Riley, Larry Bird, Kareem, Red Auerbach, had elements of truth that were genius. The writers really outdid themselves with this. Life in L.A. in the 80's was bizarre. Memorable times..............
It's not the fact the exaggerated them, it's the fact that they made them unlike their actual selves. Ever single person who knows Jerry West that has commented on that series has said that they got him 100% wrong. I mean I enjoyed the actor who did it but accuracy has to count for something, even in comedy. A lot of criticism about the portrayal of characters like Buss, Nixon, and Haywood as well.
OT: New video of Madrid and the medieval city of Toledo, Spain. This one features a San Francisco legend; 8-time Cable Car Bell Ringing Champ Byron Cobb and his wife, who’s from Madrid. https://youtu.be/ZWamcx7iU2g
Not sure if this has been shared yet? I've heard all about the stories of Steph's insane practise workouts... first time I've seen it. Does not disappoint.
I dunno, I think at the time there were probably a number of teams who would have taken Ball over Edwards. No way of knowing for sure, but there were certainly a lot of folks covering that draft who had Ball at number one.
As Sleepy notes, though, Haliburton's probably better than either of them anyway, and he was right there for the taking 😭
Sure in retrospect Haliburton would have been great but virtually nobody had him going in the top 3 in that draft at the time. The consensus was Edwards, Ball, and Wiseman, in one order or another, with the possibility of someone else sneaking in but not likely. With 20/20 hindsight we can see the flaws in that thinking.
Same. The main part of the Wiseman experience I don't need a repeat on is the injuries, and LaMelo is injured quite a lot. Lonzo has also not been very durable, wonder if it runs in the family.
Okay, here is my first draft of my First Team All-Argument Warriors, by half-decade. Each team is listed in order of how quickly one can provoke a public argument by just mentioning their name. Let me know who I missed, overrated, etc etc.
Aug 7, 2023·edited Aug 7, 2023Liked by Eric Apricot
I nominate Mark Jackson (the caterpillar) as all-time great, with an all-argument career spanning four years as a coach and ten years as a supremely annoying commentator.
Can I nominate Charles Barkley as an honorary member?
I did not do this from memory .... going through the past rosters back to 2007, it's kind of astonishing how many players I have absolutely zero memory of (perhaps 25% of all players).
I love this a lot. Need time to think but I think coming off the bench for the current team would be CP3 without playing a game; and Klay — washed up? Just fine? Better than ever?
Lamb also provoked discussion due to off court issues. I take no position on those here, I’m just sayin.
I think that “mediocre centers” as a general category has provoked a lot of discussion. Damian Jones/Jordan Bell/
Javale McGee/ Zaza Pachulia/ Mareese Speights/ David West. Did we/ do we need them? If they can only play offense or defense, are they worth a spot? Is this the era for them?
Yep. Artistic license. Works great.
> The Warriors are holding free-agent workouts with veterans Dion Waiters, Tony Snell, Kent Bazemore, Juan Toscano-Anderson, Harry Giles and Trey Burke at facility over next two weeks, sources tell me and @anthonyVslater. GS has multiple round of workouts to identify signings.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1689068243040755712
JTA!!!
To expand... the 14th player is always going to be of marginal talent and athleticism... so why not bring back a system player who knows the system, can help the new guys learn the system, and contribute without huge negatives?
If we had JTA instead of Lamb last year, you bet (1) new/young guys would've learned the system faster, (2) there would've been a lot less controversy, and (3) they likely would've won at least one more game due to (1), and JTA knowing the system, (4) and there would've been better bench mob celebrations.
Bazemore?????
Maybe the FO feels the need to improve the bench celebrations.
Hell no
No
No
Sure
Yes
Hell no
I'd say Maybe to JTA. If he is the guy we had in '20-'21, I'm very interested. If he's the guy we had in '21-'22 or the guy the Lakers and Jazz had last season, that would be a hell no.
As much as I like JTA, my preference here would be the size Giles brings and roll the dice on him being healthy, but if it's JTA, I think you'll get the guy from 20-21. It's pretty clear JTA is not a great 3 point shooter when defended, but is a pretty good open catch and shoot guy. I think he just didn't get the open shots at LA / NO (and had a hurt ankle, which doesn't help).
JTA's pretty much a "system" spot player, but GS has the system he needs to be productive. JTA's averages at UTAH were not that far off his GS ones, except for 3 point percentage. And in reading Lakers post-mortems, nobody complained about his D or energy, and most of them were disappointed that he "negatively affected the spacing of the team on offense." The Lakers were a team without spacing anyway at that point, and JTA's not that guy. But that's fine on GS where you've got threes at all the other positions if you want them.
Steph: Dorothy
Dray: Blanche
Klay: Rose
Night Night: Sophia
Weve been getting some good rain lately. It was looking rather chippy lately with the lack of rain
14th roster spot. Id say these are actually really good candidates. If Waiters has really turned his whole life around and put in the work, remember this was who Jerry West was really really high on that draft.
For the 14th roster slot, JTA would be great. He knows the Bay and the Dubs' system and would be a great locker room guy. Plus Eric could rev up the Our Guy Juanito fanfare.
I wouldn't mind Harry Giles
Since it's random youtube highlight season in my house:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H814vCBjhBo
Wild to remember that Steph was once defended this way, as if he were a mere mortal, and even wilder to realize he's basically just as effective now, despite the windows for his shots getting so much narrower through the years.
Also, around the 3:13 mark you can watch him absolutely roast future WFL Nemanja Bjelica :)
OT. I think the Warriors need a new mascot. Maybe it could be a gold championship ring. Entirely doable as a costume.
The Gold Blooded King. It's probably a good paying gig, and they should offer it to Daniel in a costume that looks like him!
We just need Thunder back and sue that OK team that ripped off his name.
Wow, is this the first time a Duke UP journal article has been linked on DNHQ? Nice one!
A walking pile of cash?
It has to be Buzz Lightyear.
Bridgey!
Ha ha! I always loved Bridgey!
Lets go!! Yet another championship on the Warriors warpath to become THE premiere franchise of the NBA. Our main competition is the Lakers (8 championships in the Salary Cap Era), the Spurs (five championships in the Salary Cap Era), and the Bulls (6 championships in the Salary Cap Era).
We've got 4 more championships to go to even up.
This brings to mind the TV series Winning Time:The Rise Of The Lakers. Enormously entertaining. Highly recommended.
I watched this, it was moderately entertaining. The casting is good as far as entertainment value but they got a lot of the characterization pretty far off according to most ex-Laker players and former FO people, whatever that's worth
It's a comedy, not a documentary. They took player qualities/personalities and exaggerated them to make a really off the wall series. I found it hysterical, but hidden between the lines, there was a lot going on. Jerry Buss was one of the all time characters. Portrayals of Jerry West, coaches, Pat Riley, Larry Bird, Kareem, Red Auerbach, had elements of truth that were genius. The writers really outdid themselves with this. Life in L.A. in the 80's was bizarre. Memorable times..............
It's not the fact the exaggerated them, it's the fact that they made them unlike their actual selves. Ever single person who knows Jerry West that has commented on that series has said that they got him 100% wrong. I mean I enjoyed the actor who did it but accuracy has to count for something, even in comedy. A lot of criticism about the portrayal of characters like Buss, Nixon, and Haywood as well.
Doesn't bother me, but I think some viewers will leave with a wrong impression. Again, great comedy on TV.
OT: New video of Madrid and the medieval city of Toledo, Spain. This one features a San Francisco legend; 8-time Cable Car Bell Ringing Champ Byron Cobb and his wife, who’s from Madrid. https://youtu.be/ZWamcx7iU2g
Not sure if this has been shared yet? I've heard all about the stories of Steph's insane practise workouts... first time I've seen it. Does not disappoint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxTtbkiNxoM
#thepursuitofperfection
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Brandon Payne's own athletic background is like? These workouts are wild.
His cardio is amazing
Man why couldn’t the wolves still have had David Kahn so he could have bypassed picking Anthony Edwards in 2020.
Kahn wouldn't have bypassed Edwards. Nobody would have.
I dunno, I think at the time there were probably a number of teams who would have taken Ball over Edwards. No way of knowing for sure, but there were certainly a lot of folks covering that draft who had Ball at number one.
As Sleepy notes, though, Haliburton's probably better than either of them anyway, and he was right there for the taking 😭
Sure in retrospect Haliburton would have been great but virtually nobody had him going in the top 3 in that draft at the time. The consensus was Edwards, Ball, and Wiseman, in one order or another, with the possibility of someone else sneaking in but not likely. With 20/20 hindsight we can see the flaws in that thinking.
I’d rather have Haliburton, anyway.
Same. The main part of the Wiseman experience I don't need a repeat on is the injuries, and LaMelo is injured quite a lot. Lonzo has also not been very durable, wonder if it runs in the family.
Don't forget they traded 144 picks to Utah for a highly paid center, when they already had one. Well after Kahn's departure. Twolves gonna wolve.
And “threw in” Walker Kessler, who’s roughly as good as Gobert, only ten years younger and about 15x cheaper.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/08/07/chargers-brandon-staley-trying-to-emulate-warriors-culture-under-steve-kerr
Kerr once shadowed Pete Carroll to get an idea of how an elite coach ran his team, now he's on the other side of it and paying it forward.
Dubs can either have a 2015 bogut or 2017 draymond next seasons. Who do you take for next season?
This content people! I know we are all ready for the season to start.
Love Bogues, one of my favorite Warriors centers of all time. But this is unquestionably Draymond.
2017 Draymond is one of the best players of all time.
*2016
Also yes
And even though he dropped off after that year, he was still one odd the best players of all time the following year
G7 of NBA Finals, to be precise
Yeah, but he was also insane for all of 2015-16. “One of the best players of all time” is not hyperbole.
+18.5 points per 100 possessions on court
+26.3 points net on off
81/82 games played for a 73-9 team
14.0 pts on .587 ts
9.5 reb / 7.4 ast
2016-17 (with that KD guy eating into his role) was great, but not nearly as great as the 2015-16 vintage.
Draymond is woefully underrated in most parts. It's a shame.
No argument here. Your stats do the talking.
I purposely didn't say 2016 draymond cause I figured that wouldnt even be a debate.
Guess this was less of a debate than I thought unless you all are thinking I meant 2016 green
Ah, got it, thanks!
2017 Draymond was elite as well though, has Andrew Bogut ever won DPOY like Draymond did that year?
(Technically yes, but in the NBL.)
Okay, here is my first draft of my First Team All-Argument Warriors, by half-decade. Each team is listed in order of how quickly one can provoke a public argument by just mentioning their name. Let me know who I missed, overrated, etc etc.
2020-2024
James Wiseman
Draymond Green
Kelly Oubre Jr
Jordan Poole
Jonathan Kuminga
2015-2019
Kevin Durant
Harrison Barnes (yes even after his departure)
Draymond Green
Coach Steve Kerr
Patrick McCaw
2010-2014
Harrison Barnes
Monta Ellis
Andris Biedrins
David Lee
Steph Curry
2005-2009
Anthony Randolph
Monta Ellis
Stephen Jackson
Coach Don Nelson
Erick Dampier
2000-2004
Mike Dunleavy Jr
Troy Murphy
Mickael Pietrus
Coach Don Nelson
Gilbert Arenas
Minor ones, but:
Dwight/DeAndre Jordan free agency failures
Letting Jarrett Jack walk
I think Anthony Lamb edges out Kelly Oubre for the spot.
Brandan Wright's tenure got turbocharged by becoming the guy the Warriors traded Jason Richardson, the least argued about Warrior of all time, for.
I nominate Mark Jackson (the caterpillar) as all-time great, with an all-argument career spanning four years as a coach and ten years as a supremely annoying commentator.
Can I nominate Charles Barkley as an honorary member?
It's not an argument unless you have people arguing both sides, so you're not going to find many here who are willing to join Chuck's corner...
Y'all are good at this; I'll submit Anthony Lamb and striped yellow shorts.
I think you could include Andre in with the 20-24 group, as well as #40
I'd like to submit Corey Maggette (s/o onlxn)
My contributions would be:
Demarcus Cousins
Fitz (credit to Asher)
Instaboner
Latrell Spreewell
Yellow Longsleeve Jerseys
Thunder Mascot
Chase Center
Vince Carter
Scott Foster
Anderson Varejao
Boogie!
+1 Instaboner
Maybe second teamers:
Alen Smailigic
Eric Paschall
Omri Casspi
Patrick O'Bryant
I did not do this from memory .... going through the past rosters back to 2007, it's kind of astonishing how many players I have absolutely zero memory of (perhaps 25% of all players).
Did we argue about Patrick O'Bryant? That would have been at GSOM. I mostly remember him as an unmitigated bust, not much to argue about.
Oubre was just a 1 year conversation, does that meet the service minimum for this conversation?
The KOJ conversation definitely lingered beyond his tenure, though one can argue whether that was enough…
how about if we box Oubre into the three years of handwringing around the "Shadow of the Andre TPE"?
You can’t put him in a box!
They boxed him up and let him go to the Hornets, so I would argue they could and did put him in a box. :2cents:
There could be a whole broadcaster section. Personally I love Fitz but a lot of blood had been spilt on these pages in this regard
I love this a lot. Need time to think but I think coming off the bench for the current team would be CP3 without playing a game; and Klay — washed up? Just fine? Better than ever?
Lamb also provoked discussion due to off court issues. I take no position on those here, I’m just sayin.
I think that “mediocre centers” as a general category has provoked a lot of discussion. Damian Jones/Jordan Bell/
Javale McGee/ Zaza Pachulia/ Mareese Speights/ David West. Did we/ do we need them? If they can only play offense or defense, are they worth a spot? Is this the era for them?
Mama, there go those men!
is this about the warriors gaming squad or an OT post about Mark Jackson and JVG getting fired?
It was about the gaming squad, because I like Nidal Nasser's handle "Mama I’m Dat Man," and now he IS the man (MVP of 2023 NBA 2KL 5v5 finals).
Sounds much better cone from you then Mark Jackson in espn 😁
Now Steph knows how Rudy feels
Well, so much for those vaunted defensive improvements, huh? Washed!