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I think I'd be pretty happy to have either one of these young guys on the team. Hayes' passing is a thing of absolute beauty, but Lewis is fast and has a sweet touch at the rim. Leaning towards Hayes, though, and would love to see him threading some sweet passes to 'quese to smash through the rim.

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I'd never heard of Kira Lewis before this but I actually quite like him. I like Hayes as well so now we are in a bit of a quandry.

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Hayes because of the size. Can be part of second death lineup.

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Hayes

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These players illustrate the problem with this draft. I would probably be reasonably happy with either of them as a twelve to fifteen pick and would be very unhappy with either of them as a third pick. Ultimately I would go with Lewis - 36 percent from college three range doesn't really get me excited at all, but 29 percent in any environment makes me curl up in a ball. GS already has a backup guard who can't shoot.

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Yawn. I guess this kind of thread means someone is very bored.

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Jun 21, 2020Liked by Eric Apricot

I’ve heard Killian defense is over stated , and more a product of the defensive scheme he played in .Cant confirm since I haven’t seen too much on him , can anybody shed some light on that aspect? I think defense needs to be a point if Emphasis

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I'm not sure what product of the defensive scheme means? Like the steal rate is inflated?

I don't think there's lockdown All-Defense potential or anything. There's no outlier tool where he's super long, strong or quick.

But he's got the basic tools you want: The size to be versatile, plays hard, knows where he's supposed to be and can make plays on the ball. He'll probably end up as a solid defensive piece.

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This is the scouting report I read

There's so much incorrect information floating around about Hayes. He's been credited with improving his ability to burst by guys, even though he very clearly still can't beat any disciplined defender consistently. He gets a ton of credit as a team defender, but most of the rotations he's making aren't processing based but are instead just his team encouraging all of their guards to cheat off of shooters above the break hard. His on ball defense is a catastrophe, getting blown by at LaMelo level frequencies. His 3 point shot, which has been occasionally projected as usable due to his not great but probably usable stepback, is not usable because he doesn't actually do any shot prep for C+S situations. There's also the handedness issue, though that's fairly minor. Ultimately, I just haven't seen a remotely satisfactory answer in the film to the question "What does Killian Hayes do against a disciplined defender". And Hayes is good at getting defenders out of discipline, between an effective floater and his weird ability to segment his arms to throw off the timing of a pass. But we've already seen middling EuroCup/G-BBL teams stall him out by just staying down, so it's hard to see a world where NBA teams can't manage that.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_25l20nmM6s

This was a good video breakdown. The defense starts about 11:30 mark. It’s just highlights but I think you can get sense of what he does.

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That’s definitely a harsher view then I’ve seen elsewhere. Who’s the report from?

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He definitely has some hot takes but he definitely goes into detail about these players And I appreciate that he dosnt seem to be sipping from the mainstream media cool aid

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/h9mezz/comment/fuzehne?context=3

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I’ll just call him a reddit enthusiast but I do think he gives some pretty solid analysis, Definitely a basketball junkie . I just want to know if there was any merit to what he was saying , if so that sounds very concerning , sounds like DLo 2.0

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Most reports like Killian’s D. Mainly effort, size and hands. There’s clips out there that back it up. So, I can’t say I’ve watched a single full game, but I’d say both his defensive scheme take, and “can’t beat a disciplined defender” are just wrong. You can watch the clip above. He’s “cheating“ off shooters, but in great position to either close out, double, or get into passing lanes.

In terms of him vs D-Lo the obvious difference is effort.

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Think I’m going to start a draft board for my favorite draft board lol

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Yeah that’s what I had been seeing on most draft boards . But honestly his draft boards and explations in the chat room seem like the most uninfluenced by media I’ve seen yet . Definitely knows more then the common fan

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Again I have never seen a full game of his , I was just wondering if anybody could confirm this

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Hayes. Free throw percentage usually a good indicator of shooting mechanics. So I'm sure he can improve on his 3's. Would be great coming off the bench with his playmaking paired with Klay.

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Where's the wingspan info on Lewis? Hayes, for size - height, weight, wingspan. Sounds like Lewis could thrive in the right system, but pro's need more than speed.

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Ringer says wingspan 6’ 6”

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This ones a tough call, I'd probably go with Hayes due to size. On the other hand, Lewis was 5% shy on his 3 pointers from being Steph Curry in college, and he was playing in a good conference. He would be the kind of player the Warriors might go for if they could somehow trade down and actually pick him at 14.

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