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Yeet tank

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Power forward Moses

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Zach LaVine: out

Zach Collins: out

Zach Lowe: in!

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ExZachtly!

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I've been looking at how the Warriors can get in the mix facilitating a Butler trade to Phoenix, but man, their cupboard is bare. They have two horrible negative-value contracts in Beal and Nurkic, making a combined 68.3M, around 48% of the total cap. I don't think they have any picks worth mentioning, and their bench is much worse than ours. They have nothing to entice us to take on Beal, or to tempt any fourth / additional team to take on excess salary.

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Not Beal talk again! Didn't we bury that the last time around? If not, let's get out the shovels and bury it deep this time so the coyotes won't dig up the corpse.

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I would think that a prerequisite for being in these trades is being under the cap or at least not right up against the hard cap, so you can absorb some salary (the 10% or whatever it is that you need to be within for salary matches).

That's not us.

That's more a tactic for teams that aren't trying to win now, I think.

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Depends on how we're defining 'win now,' but the Dubs aren't looking like a juggernaut or even a contender. At this point, we're more of a any-given-night spoiler...

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Since the first championship, the Dubs have traded 3 current or future FRPs: 1 in 2017 that was a remnant of the Andre Iguodala sign-and-trade, 1 in 2024 to dump Andre to MEM, and 1 top 20 protected pick in 2030 to facilitate CP3 for Poole. The remaining 15 they have kept (9 used, 6 future FRPs still available).

In that same time frame, Lebron James' teams have traded 12 FRPs (2 for Love, 2 for Mozgov, 1 for Channing Frye, protected 1 for Korver, 3 picks + 1 swap for AD, 1 for dumping Westbrook, 1 in this Luka trade). They've gotten back 3 All Stars.

Of course over that time, Steph had Dray/Klay/Iggy and got KD as a FA. Steph got 4 rings (6 Finals) to Lebron's 2 (5 Finals). There's likely some happy medium between the two, but quite the contrast.

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Of course those trades weren't entirely about picks so saying the Lakers got back three All Stars is a mite misleading. Getting Luka cost them a superstar.

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Nice. I'd be interested to know who those picks ended up being so you could really evaluate the trades.

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Lakers, with Luka and sans AD, are really going to need some defense.

Here's a trade that works:

Dray to Lakers for Reaves and Vanderbilt

I think Dray and LeBron are pretty close, so although if I'm the Lakers I'm not sure it's such a good deal, perhaps you'd get LeBron's buy-in.

The Dubs would get two young, talented players on team-friendly contracts, solve their problems at the 2, and would free up space for JK at the 4. In the short-term, Dubs would probably be worse, but that might be enough to get a decent pick in the draft.

Dubs would need Steph's blessing to get this one done and I doubt he'd support it, but who knows?

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The Lakers say hell no. They are looking to the future now or they wouldn't have gone after Luka. They're not giving us two young talented players on team-friendly contracts for aging, oft-injured Draymond. Maybe they would have been that stupid a few years ago but not now.

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I think Dray (and we would probably have to give up picks) for Reaves and Vincent is slightly more plausible. The Lakers trading Vanderbilt is counterproductive.

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If they need defense why would they trade Vanderbilt?

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Jumpin' jiminy. I leave you people alone for a couple of hours, and what happens?

In the morning we all reviewed the Luka trade in a frenzy, and I thought that things were steady enough to step away for a dinner out.

I come back, and suddenly you've traded Zach Lavine and De'Aaron Fox???????

Are you TRYING to make me stressed out?

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Just saw this myself. I guess we can cross Zach off the list. Who's next?

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Zach LaVine: out

Zach Collins: out

Zach Lowe: in

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No LaVine and Butler. Vucevic, Grant, Simons, Ayton, and Time Lord are available.

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That's not very encouraging. I am not excited by any of those options.

Steph has one or two seasons left before his knees tell him to go play golf, so I'm not interested in mortgaging the farm to get into the playoffs and die in the first or second round. That leaves out Vuc, who has one more season at $21.5M, which isn't too bad, but we still have to match that salary somehow with assets the Bulls would accept. The problem is, he is old, and while he'd help us this year, he's a short-term solution for a team that still wouldn't go all that far. And while I don't see Post as a future star, he could develop into a solid rotation stretch 5 on a team-friendly deal; Vuc would likely take his minutes and send him back to the G League when we could be developing him in SF.

Simons? You mean Ben Simmons? The one with multiple back surgeries and no shot and on a $40M expiring deal, so he could walk as UFA this summer? The Simmons who quit on his team in Phillie? That guy? I wouldn't expect him to make it through the season, not to mention the playoffs. On a vet min in the summer, or maybe a bit more, he's worth a flier. No way I'd trade for him.

Grant has two more seasons and then a player option on his deal, and next season he'd cost $32M. Current value $30M. His numbers are down some this year but not bad. He can shoot, which we need. But he's a 6'7" PF (for the most part), and we'd presumably trade JK in that deal, since they play the same position, and we'd need to give up more to match salaries. I am trying to recall his defense and failing but he'd have to be an excellent defender to make him worth that. If he's at the 4, we're not gaining size. No way I'd trade Wiggs and play Grant at the 3, as Wiggs is better than Grant.

Time Lord is not a difference maker for us. I like Time Lord's defense and rebounding but he's always hurt, and he can't shoot at all. We have Looney for that, and Loon is available most of the time and is a master of Kerrball and a beloved leader of the team. So no.

Ayton... whew. He has one more season at $35.5M, so we'd need to trade that much for him, and then he's UFA. He'll want a big payday in summer 2026. He has the most talent on your list but he can't shoot at all — not the stretch big we've wanted — so we'd pretty much have to include JK in that deal. And his motor is questionable. Most important, I have the impression Ayton is unpopular at DNHQ, so MDJ wouldn't go there. 😊

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It's like shopping the clearance rack.

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I get great deals sometimes on the clearance rack. You have to be lucky.

Like with OP.

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>>>Doc Rivers on the Luka/AD trade: “I thought it was AI generated"<<<

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1igh8wy/doc_rivers_on_the_lukaad_trade_i_thought_it_was/

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lol

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So question in regards to Bret Siegels recent report on the last 72 hours missing on pretty much every trade weve been involved in. Do you think this is common for every team in our position to swing and miss on pretty much every major player: KD, PG, Lauri, Jimmy, Lavine/Vuc so far? OR is this a case that either the Warriors are not negotiating in good faith or other teams have been so jaded thst they themselves are not willing to do the same with us? OR are we simply overvaluing our own assets?

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I believe they are just stuck.

The CAP situation is bad.

Their players are not in high demand.

I don’t think teams are anti Warriors. Teams care about themselves and what is best for them.

Every time the Butler trade come up I see Wiggins playing his best as not that much off of Butler at 35. It would be simply ridiculous to trade Wiggins and JK and draft picks for him.

I am not a big believer that Butler can just turn it on and dominate a playoff series anymore. That is a lot of hope.

I think the best they can do is nothing because they are dealing from a position of weakness.

It is just a fact that other teams have way better assets to trade.

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I have a rosier view of this. Which is that they have to be in these conversations with Steph but they know none of these moves on their own is enough to actually contend (save a KD prayer maybe?). So yes they're not giving everything up but that's the smart move when you look at what's actually out there.

Frankly I don't think they should be doing anything other than ducking the tax, playing the young guys, and getting a top 10 pick this season. Which is what they'll end up doing but if they say that's the path Steph will get pissed.

They've basically got one more shot in the summer I think and if they can't get it done then it's time to trade Dray for picks and for Steph to embrace his late career role as mentor.

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My view is even rosier. Ducking the tax and playing the young guys might get them a bottom 10 pick.

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Nobody is giving up picks for Draymond

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I don’t think there’s a haul in it but I wouldn’t be surprised if Detroit would give up a first for a veteran defensive leader to help their young improving team take the next step. Spurs might be another. Might be others too - we are talking about a generational defensive player who when he is on the court still looks pretty good.

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> that's the smart move when you look at what's actually out there.

To me, it seems that every move that we could've made would've been "1 step forward, 1 step back" because we'd have to trade Dray or Wiggs plus a bunch of depth just for salary reasons. So unless it's Giannis or Jokic or even LeBron, I just don't see how it helps us get back to contention in a meaningful way.

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This right here.

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If that's the case, why not trade Steph also? I don't want to see him being miserable for another X number of years.

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Different people will have different views on that of course. Personally I think there’s something amazing in this age of being the last single team star. I love watching Steph on the Warriors and even now cherish the moments where he goes off. And if you hit on something with the younger players then there’s a small chance he could get that end of career Tim Duncan style ring. In the end it would depend on what he wants.

So yeah I can see a world where there’s still a chance with Steph at the end of his career and a very different looking team but I struggle to see the same with Dray without a win now move and I think it’s not long before you won’t be able to get anything for him.

Also, even as a big Draymond fan over the years I am pretty sick of his bullshit now. For all the FO bashing he is the reason we squandered any chance if repeating when he slugged Jordan Poole, and last season any hopes were gone once he lost his shit again. If they can make a win now trade in the summer it’ll give it one more go but if we’re a few years off I’m happy to say thanks for all the good times but it’s time now.

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Also tbh just emotionally I’m old enough to remember how gross and wrong it felt to see Olajuwon in a Raptors jersey and Ewing on the Sonics/ Magic. I really don’t want to see that with Steph.

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Not even a Hornets jersey?

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Not even a Hornets jersey. If he’s going to be on a 30 win team let it be here

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I'm having a harder time figuring out "what is actually out there" when Doncic can be had for so relatively little. But hey, if Denver is ready to give up Jokic, we should talk to them...

Otherwise, I agree with you.

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> when Doncic can be had for so relatively little

Only if you're the Lakers. Anyone else doesn't even get to make a bid.

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> save a KD prayer

till the morning after…🎵

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Heh, my mind went to Dionne and Aretha.

🎼 I say a KD prayer for you. 🎵

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They're working the phones trying to find some trades that move the "are we a contender" needle. They haven't found any, largely because actually finding a trade that moves that needle is really hard in the first place, but more so because this team seems so far away from that contention level as it currently stands.

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…and we’re talking about trading for guys who don’t seem to move the needle all that much when you factor in losing Wiggins (or Green).

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I think we are significantly overvaluing our players - who are role players and likely would be coming off the bench on most good teams - outside of Steph and Maybe Wiggs!

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And JK depending on the team. But that also means their trade value isn't high.

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this one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1igewi9/seigel_lots_to_unpack_with_the_warriors_who/

[Seigel] "Lots to unpack with the Warriors, who attempted to make some big swings over the last 72 hours. Not only did they call the Suns last week about Kevin Durant, but they also held deep talks with the Bulls about LaVine AND Vuc. Everything then shifted to Butler, which fell apart."

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If they gave up on Lavine and Vuc to chase Jimmy I'm done with this fo

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“Everything shifted to Butler…” could mean the Bulls decided to take a different deal.

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"Oh, you're getting your full first round pick back? And the contracts you're taking back end after next year? Yeah... we can't really match that... keep in touch!"

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I for one am not buying this whole "why is everyone so mean 2 me 💔" thing this fanbase keeps throwing around as copium, so our org must be doing something wrong on the trade market. Shame our local reporters are all yes men, otherwise we'd probably get more into an insight of what they are doing wrong.

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What did they screw up this trade season so far?

Luka was only going to LAL, Fox was only going to SAS... Chicago found a way to get LaVine into the Fox situation. Vuč is still available, but meh. Butler is a cantankerous 35 year old quitting on his team to force his way elsewhere, but only if they're going to give him a max contract... which doesn't seem like a particularly great idea.

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This kind of thinking allows the FO to get away with its incompetence ever since the summer of 2022. This guy isn't perfect, that guy isn't perfect, therefore our inability to get any players and being stuck with mediocre rubbish isn't bad.

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For all your carpet-bombing of grievances about how incompetent the FO is, I can’t recall you bringing forth a deal that:

✅ Works for both teams under the CBA, including allowing the Warriors to fill the minimum 14 roster spots while being hard-capped

✅ Improves the team more than marginally

✅ Is compelling enough to beat other teams’ offers

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I only need to point out worthwhile asset that the Bulls got for LaVine is a first-round pick and that dumping Andrew Wiggins is addition by subtraction. The burden of proof of FO competence after three wasted seasons is on the one asserting competence, not the one noticing incompetence.

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As I suspected, more whiney platitudes with no viable alternatives that support your contention that the FO is incompetent. You’re essentially saying, “It’s not my job to understand these things, only to complain as if I do.”

Also, you lost me at Wiggins being addition by subtraction. How many veteran 2-way wings can you name who are under $30M/year.

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My personal opinion:

KD - Suns was never going to even pick up the phone. They didn't sell their future to give away KD

PG- Clips didn't want to help a division rival

Lauri- We didn't want to repeat the Gobert deal with us being Minnesota in that instance

Jimmy - He always wanted Phoenix

Lavine/Vuc - Maybe DS's contract not being tradeable until Wednesday did us in?

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For KD, Suns clearly aren't going anywhere, so theoretically it would make sense for them to give KD away to get picks back to try to get back that future

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The Suns are 24-14 with KD available, and 23-10 with both KD & Booker available. They're absolutely convincing themselves that they've got a shot with a healthy KD & a healthy Booker.

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WE know they aren't, but I don't think their FO is ready to accept that and is doubling down

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I don't even think it's fairs to say they aren't going anywhere... if KD and/or Booker are injured, they aren't going anywhere. But the same can be said of every team about their top two scorers, really... except maybe Memphis, whose G League squad can somehow keep up with any team in the league.

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Curious.

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Yeah, not going anywhere might be a bit harsh as I think they got a puncher's chance but I definitely do not have them being able to hang with any real contender with their current big 3

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Eh... KD is as consistent as ever at creating good looks for himself. Booker on a heater is as good as anyone. They're gonna be real hard to stop. It's just a matter of whether they can get enough stops at the other end, and... if it's OKC, for instance, I don't trust that they'll be able to make enough shots outside SGA.

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Well, not think since they've made it clear Booker and KD aren't available

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Most teams swing and miss on the vast majority of potential trades. So few get made compared to the number of rumors.

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My guess is everybody thinks the Warriors assets are the kind that are more valuable to the Warriors than with someone else.

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Draymond in particular has always seemed like a tough guy to trade because it seems like without Steph, his offense contributions would be what exactly?

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I'm still of the mind the Warriors continue to use their specific brand of motion offense because it's the only way to keep Draymond relevant.

No other team in the league wants to run offense through Draymond like the Warriors do.

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BINGO...they still think they can WIN 'SHIPS, with iso-ball MVPS, while the best teams in the league are playing DUBS TEAM BALL!

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>>>[Charania] Jimmy Butler has made it abundantly clear to all teams inquiring for his services that the only team he would stay with long term is with the Phoenix Suns.<<<

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1iggxqk/charania_jimmy_butler_has_made_it_abundantly/

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So he's gonna not use his option and sign for a mid level exception?

Beal isn't going anywhere

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LMAO

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Hope everyone had a good weekend, I'm out for now, which guarantees a Warriors trade by tomorrow morning at the latest. Hope it's a good one!

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Hoping Cam Johnson is still on the table for them. Would be such a beautiful fit and a reasonable contract. Yes not the best shot creator but you can’t play as many gimmicky defense against Steph with one of the best shooters in the league next to him.

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Unless Nets come down off their rumored demand for 2FRP, he’s not getting traded. Of course, Silver may call to tell them to send him to the Lakers for nothing…

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I don't think they're taking back DS's contract either so we gotta find that 13m elsewhere on top of Loon and GP2 already being apart of that package

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Also, I don’t think you’re allowed to trade back player to the same team in the same season. Lindy and Heild works.

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or actually 10m because we just need to hit 27m for CJ financially

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Do you all think the Dubs are really feeling the heat now with the Luka and Fox deals?

I think SA just became a real legit threat to overtake us. The Lakers got better, especially when they add another piece or two which we all know is happening.

Is Sac better? They might be,TBD.

Cam Johnson is landing in the West I bet.

Did Klay just become more important in Dallas?

The Wild West and who knows what else is coming down.

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Klay's post-Warrior plans disintegrated with the Doncic trade, he's probably pretty pissed about it

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At least Klay will get plenty of touches with AD, and AD will make his job easier on defense. He's still playing with Kyrie, who recruited him there. It surely is a shock but it could work out for him.

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Just get him back and have the trio retire together in mediocrity

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I mean pop culture is all just a bunch of nostalgia cash grabs anyways, if the Warriors are gonna be mediocre they might as well do it with the Three Statues

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We got a lot of HOMEGROWN potential in our bunch, and future picks coming our way, and added trade value. Q-MAN reminds me of the 5s POP used to pick up from overseas; a year or two on the OG HOF transition developmental platform he may be playing for a perennial playoff team, along with JK, PODZ, et al. Short-handed, these guys just took down OKC...

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Drugs don't work - The Verve

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yes I think so - somewhat troubling/worrying to hear now are the reports coming about how the warriors have been trying for this and that big name player and nothing has worked out - maybe rest of league just does not want to trade big names to the Dubs - even Jimmy Butler giving us the snub in some sense!

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Word is out BUTLER did not fit in our locker room...nuff said, except thank you Jimmy for the ''snub''....

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"talent wins championships" -as Steve Kerr said on 957 the game earlier this week - he clearly implied we dont have enough. I was hoping for Lavine, but now its going to be a fringe move most likely!

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How the fak would he know how to develop talent; MJAX developed the talent he got. JUST as important it was MJAX who instilled the transition to a DEFENSIVE CULTURE. IT was KERR's SYSTEM/HIS UTILIZATION OF THAT TALENT THAT WON 'SHIPS. From the time he took over DEVELOPED TALENT was what was handed to him. His greatest challenge was to practically ANNUALLY rebuild the TEAM with NEW VET ROLE DEVELOPED TALENT, AFTER WE BROKE UP THE TEAM TO GET KD. NO FREAKIN EASY TASK. WHEN I SAY WE UNDERVALUED OUR HOMEGROWN TEAM, KERR'S COMMENT IS AN EXAMPLE. YOU DO NOT REPLACE A KLAY THOMPSON AFTER A YEAR OF LEADING THE LEAGUE IN 3PTERS ON 40+ SHOOTING AND 20 PPG. THE REST IS FO BS TO MASSAGE THE FAN BASE AND COVER FOR A MAJOR FO FAUX DES PAS. Still fixable though, if they got the big ones to eat some humble pie and get STEPH to help/get him BACK.

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its beginning to feel like this FO either does not have the big brass ones to make major changes or cannot make one happen for multiple reasons

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You remember to me Italian fandom of Juventus Football Club

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LOL...

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"[Highkin] The Portland Trail Blazers are openly shopping Jerami Grant, Anfernee Simons, and Deandre Ayton. Blazers open to trading Robert Williams III, but they have a high price for him."

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Hmm.... Simons fits the JP prototype... wonder if we make a push for him

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Another smaller guard next to Curry no thanks

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Yeah said this before, think it wouldn’t be a bad move honestly. I want rob williams though

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Ayton lol

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Don't you fucking dare, Joe

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I bet the Lakers are gonna try and go after Time Lord.

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And they can pay the high price since they didn’t have to give up much for Luka

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The high price like Vincent and a protected 2nd rounder?

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Yeah best to just assume they get him 🤮

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Wanting to write this in the last few days, before all of the hoopla of today... so here goes...

I don't think this kind of trade deadline is good for the NBA (or really I don't like it) .

Way too much uncertainty for way too many teams, (and therefore players) right in the middle of the season. As Steve Kerr, Kevon Looney and others have said they understand it is a part of the business, but it is a very trying and difficult time for players. Is that best for quality basketball?

Not sure how many teams can actually hope to win a championship based on the mid-year moves.... and actually with less than 1/2 the season left to play. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but from my recollections it usually takes at least a year of playing together for players to understand their roles and jell to became a truly cohesive team that can actually survive the 16 game NBA playoff to be victorious.

Yes, there is a lot of excitement and hype from media, that will bring the league some publicity, and could even generate some ticket or t-shirt sales in some of the markets. And obviously social media sites such as DNHQ and countless others will appreciate all of the extra attention. But for NBA basketball it seems like it just gives us all more teams that are now striving to find themselves with some real uncertainty, rather than teams that are truly strengthening the core group of players they have, and what we have been watching this season. I do understand that contract situations, salary CAPs, the CBA, etc influence a lot of the trading actions, but still...

I enjoy watching a team built through the draft, from summer league and preseason then into the regular season to see what they can accomplish. I have posted before my hope the Warriors do not make a big trade right now. From all that I have read there is no feasible trade possibility out there for GSW that will make them that much more successful for this season.

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Methinks KINGS will go down tomorrow away game in MINNESOTA. 10th play-in spot will be there for the taking for DUBS at home VS MAGIC. Then, on Wednesday the 5th, DUBS are at 11-36 UTAH, DRAY may already be back. Last thing I want is shake-up trades; bad enough players have to play with the monkey on their backs...I think PLAYOFFS are reachable with what we got; signed and sealed if KLAY comes back...to the BAY.

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Ironically, Dallas' moves last trade deadline were a big part of helping them get to the Finals.

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Yeah, I guess, and now what do they do...?

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