The guys started out fairly tight, but started to play better team ball in the second half. I liked what I saw from Armstrong, Rowe, and Mobley. Early days but nice to see some young talent working really hard, turning defense into offense and moving the ball.
As I understand it (feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken), Toohey and Richard couldn't play today because we got them after trading the #41 pick for the 52nd and 59th pick, then trading up from 59 to 56. Apparently as of today those trades weren't finalized so we couldn't sign the players. That is expected to be done by tomorrow but I don't think that's definite.
That was my understanding, and I thought the buzz was those trades were being packaged in the mega 7 team trade, which I am assuming is ready to happen as soon as the moratorium ends
I liked Hawkins and Mobley for a while. I wanted Armstrong to show off against relatively weak opposition- announcers impressed he didn’t turn it over but it wasn’t enough for me
Jackson Rowe looked pretty good to me. He’s older than a lot of the other players & has more experience so that probably had a lot to do with it, but I was sufficiently impressed for a summer league game
I have not been that impressed with Rowe in the past but I liked him today.
Armstrong's shot wasn't there but he handled and distributed well and seemed to make pretty good decisions. I also like what I saw of Cryer; small sample size but it looks like he can shoot as advertised. Mobley and Hawkins had their moments, although Hawkins turned the ball over some.
They were really in Armstrong face the entire game. He is a good enough to run the offense but not sure if he can become a good enough scorer/defender. Maybe. Worth a shot.
It’s just one game, but if Knecht doesn’t dominate some time, then it’s not a good sign. Even Podziemski and Jackson-Davis were stars last summer league.
I only got to see parts of the game but from what I saw, some of these young fellas looked pretty good. I know it's just summer league game 1. But still.
8.39. Well Coleman Hawkins does seem to like to pass, tries to thread a lob pass through intense traffic.
8.02. Well there's the stretch part. Coleman Hawkins takes a dead play and launches long three-pointer. Swish.
I told you, Hawkins is a chaos agent. Next play, Hawkins takes the dribble hand off and almost hoists another shot, but then bails out mid shot and his roller wasn't ready for it. Lakers take it all the way back in a chaotic play, and you just knew that that layup was not going to go in. I guess Coleman is the local god of chaos now that Kevin Knox is somewhere else.
Then to put a chaos bow to tie up that whole chaos package, Hawkins immediately hoists up a pullup three the next play. Very entertaining.
5.35. Hinson shows you what a professional bucket getter looks like with that hard dribble hesi drive. Whew.
4.25. Cryer time. Behind the back, dribble into a pull up three which got a serious shooter role.
3.40. Cryer shows some nimble screen that navigation, but doesn't matter. Lakers score anyway.
2.45. Have to admit Mobley has some crazy touch on some of these high weird angle bank shots.
0.50. Armstrong with a nice lob to Rowe on the fast break. I was promised more hotdog passing from Armstrong, but he has been quite sober this game. Unfortunately.
0.23. I will say that Armstrong does not seem to have had any trouble against the full court pressure all game. Good to have a decently reliable ball handler.
OK, you are on your own. Make sure you comment about any cool plays for the rest of the game..
I can only watch some of the game, so here are my random notes for Q1 and maybe a little Q2 coming.
Q1
9.35. I like how the Warriors Summer League team runs actual Warriors plays. That was a classic split cut Taryn Armstrong to Bolden and Bolden with a nice finish on the roll.
9.07. Yo Bolden trying to show off his three point range also. All right.
Man, these Lakers are hitting everything.
7.35. Well, Bolden showing some patience there, not just firing it up. Looking for the open man whom he found.
All right. Taran Armstrong hitting a three. Desperately need some shooting in the big club. Shackleford drew three players to the baseline and someone had to be open.
36 Manon is everywhere.
Mobley is a big body, but that was pretty awkward.
Shackleford is gonna shoot everything that touches his hands.
5:18. Hey, it's another Warriors play. I think that was the play that was the game winner for the against the Bulls by Damien Lee.
4.44. You usually want your second year players to be dominating more than Dalton Knecht is doing, but I guess it's still early.
4.14. Blake Hinson is not shy at all about hoisting up the shots.
4.14. We actually have number 40 LJ Cryer in.
Mobley sure is thick.
3.50. Cryer gets the ball up pretty confidently up against full court pressure.
Good pass from Mobley to the back cutting Jackson Rowe.
It looked like it caused Hinson physical pain to not take that shot.
2.30. Hey I want to see more Cryer with the basketball. Give it to him, you cowards. Oh, Cryer screening in the small small PNR then coming for the fake hand off to Mobley. Mobley with a very clunky looking ball fake that did get his defender up in the air. Didn't work out.
1.09. sadly they took Cryer out but Coleman Hawkins is in. I have this preconception of Coleman Hawkins as a chaos agent, and there he was dribbling with the spin into two players and coughing it up in the paint.
0.20. This Manon guy seems to be in the middle of EVERYTHING.
If Kuminga returns, I don't see why he can't play a Shawn Marion role along with Jimmy, Steph and Dray. If JK embraces that role -- point of attack defender, specialize in set-shot corner 3s, backdoor cuts, occasional post-ups and isos, he can easily average 18 ppg / 8 rebs playing 30 minutes per game.
Shawn Marion could hit corner and wing 3s as a kick-out option. JK is not known as a shooter, but he can shoot 3s respectably if he's given time to set his feet like Marion. He'll be able to pick up 4 points a quarter just by rim-running, backdoor cuts, capitalizing on Steph's gravity.
IF Kuminga returns, I'd ask him to focus on: setting screens, point-of-attack defense, corner 3s, boxing out for rebounds. It can work. But only if JK is willing to buy in to his role. He's gotta forget about the Kobe mentality of having the offense run through him. Only bring that bag out if Steph is resting on load-management.
Dontcha understand? He’s a star! A STAR, I tell ya. He doesn’t have to learn any skills - he’s a natural! ‘N all these hall of famers are just standin’ in his way.. ‘cause they’re jealous! That’s right, I said it. They got nuthin on my guy…
Kobe's ghost presumably doesn't have or need money.
At any rate, I think we can agree that JK would be a lot better off not trying to be the Black Mamba. He's not that guy. I like Arnold's Shawn Marion comp though.
I lived in AZ for 3 years and just by chance, the first 3 Nash years where they were very good and fun to watch. Marion was a much better rebounder and really fit nicely in their offense and style of play. More enjoyable watching them than even the Warriors title teams for me.
The guys started out fairly tight, but started to play better team ball in the second half. I liked what I saw from Armstrong, Rowe, and Mobley. Early days but nice to see some young talent working really hard, turning defense into offense and moving the ball.
Can anyone confirm that we can complete the trades tomorrow at our 9 AM, and sign the rookies, so they should be playing tomorrow?
I'm inferring that's the case, if so, tomorrow's game will be a lot more interesting
Other teams’ rookies are playing today. They seem separate from traded players in this respect.
As I understand it (feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken), Toohey and Richard couldn't play today because we got them after trading the #41 pick for the 52nd and 59th pick, then trading up from 59 to 56. Apparently as of today those trades weren't finalized so we couldn't sign the players. That is expected to be done by tomorrow but I don't think that's definite.
That was my understanding, and I thought the buzz was those trades were being packaged in the mega 7 team trade, which I am assuming is ready to happen as soon as the moratorium ends
That sounds right as well.
Things got spicy during the Jazz vs. 76ers game tonight.
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lsqbo2/highlight_things_get_a_little_bit_heated_up/
I know. They suddenly realized they were in Utah.
The Salty City Classic?
Cal Classic Ws gave up a lot of open corner 3s to start the game and got behind.
Laker's made several and their defense kept the Ws from driving successfully into the paint.
Was not watching just after halftime and then saw that they had the lead.
Many on the roster got to play so that was nice to see. More tomorrow....
Is this game watchable on replay somewhere?
I liked Hawkins and Mobley for a while. I wanted Armstrong to show off against relatively weak opposition- announcers impressed he didn’t turn it over but it wasn’t enough for me
Jackson Rowe looked pretty good to me. He’s older than a lot of the other players & has more experience so that probably had a lot to do with it, but I was sufficiently impressed for a summer league game
I have not been that impressed with Rowe in the past but I liked him today.
Armstrong's shot wasn't there but he handled and distributed well and seemed to make pretty good decisions. I also like what I saw of Cryer; small sample size but it looks like he can shoot as advertised. Mobley and Hawkins had their moments, although Hawkins turned the ball over some.
They were really in Armstrong face the entire game. He is a good enough to run the offense but not sure if he can become a good enough scorer/defender. Maybe. Worth a shot.
Interesting contrast btw Armstrong and Cryer.
Like to see Mobley play more.
Agreed on all counts. Cryer showed good range too; at least one of the 3s he sank (he was 2-3) was shot from well beyond the arc.
Good to hear… there’s more pressure for him to dominate as he is a second year pro.
I thought Jackson Rowe played confidently as he should. Not spectacular but decent in a lot of ways.
Knecht is also in his 2nd year and didn't seem to do well today. Maybe he'll do better in the regular season.
It’s just one game, but if Knecht doesn’t dominate some time, then it’s not a good sign. Even Podziemski and Jackson-Davis were stars last summer league.
Would be really a shame if the guy they kept instead of teasing for Williams ended up being meh. So sad.
Armstrong is a year away from being a year away, but I think he might actually be able to stick at the back end of a roster one day.
I only got to see parts of the game but from what I saw, some of these young fellas looked pretty good. I know it's just summer league game 1. But still.
Warriors win 89-84
Nice to hear Tim Roye on the TV for a change.
Can we start a campaign to get Tim Roye on the regular broadcasts!? I love his knowledge of the game, humor and honesty.
Wait, we went from Mannion to Mañon?
And these broadcasters cannot pronounce his name.
Q2
8.39. Well Coleman Hawkins does seem to like to pass, tries to thread a lob pass through intense traffic.
8.02. Well there's the stretch part. Coleman Hawkins takes a dead play and launches long three-pointer. Swish.
I told you, Hawkins is a chaos agent. Next play, Hawkins takes the dribble hand off and almost hoists another shot, but then bails out mid shot and his roller wasn't ready for it. Lakers take it all the way back in a chaotic play, and you just knew that that layup was not going to go in. I guess Coleman is the local god of chaos now that Kevin Knox is somewhere else.
Then to put a chaos bow to tie up that whole chaos package, Hawkins immediately hoists up a pullup three the next play. Very entertaining.
5.35. Hinson shows you what a professional bucket getter looks like with that hard dribble hesi drive. Whew.
4.25. Cryer time. Behind the back, dribble into a pull up three which got a serious shooter role.
3.40. Cryer shows some nimble screen that navigation, but doesn't matter. Lakers score anyway.
2.45. Have to admit Mobley has some crazy touch on some of these high weird angle bank shots.
0.50. Armstrong with a nice lob to Rowe on the fast break. I was promised more hotdog passing from Armstrong, but he has been quite sober this game. Unfortunately.
0.23. I will say that Armstrong does not seem to have had any trouble against the full court pressure all game. Good to have a decently reliable ball handler.
OK, you are on your own. Make sure you comment about any cool plays for the rest of the game..
Oh, it's Cryer time again, he’s gonna beat you /
I can see that faraway look in your eye /
I can tell by the way you throw your hands up /
That it won't be long before it's Cryer time /
(with apologies to Buck Owens)
I can only watch some of the game, so here are my random notes for Q1 and maybe a little Q2 coming.
Q1
9.35. I like how the Warriors Summer League team runs actual Warriors plays. That was a classic split cut Taryn Armstrong to Bolden and Bolden with a nice finish on the roll.
9.07. Yo Bolden trying to show off his three point range also. All right.
Man, these Lakers are hitting everything.
7.35. Well, Bolden showing some patience there, not just firing it up. Looking for the open man whom he found.
All right. Taran Armstrong hitting a three. Desperately need some shooting in the big club. Shackleford drew three players to the baseline and someone had to be open.
36 Manon is everywhere.
Mobley is a big body, but that was pretty awkward.
Shackleford is gonna shoot everything that touches his hands.
5:18. Hey, it's another Warriors play. I think that was the play that was the game winner for the against the Bulls by Damien Lee.
4.44. You usually want your second year players to be dominating more than Dalton Knecht is doing, but I guess it's still early.
4.14. Blake Hinson is not shy at all about hoisting up the shots.
4.14. We actually have number 40 LJ Cryer in.
Mobley sure is thick.
3.50. Cryer gets the ball up pretty confidently up against full court pressure.
Good pass from Mobley to the back cutting Jackson Rowe.
It looked like it caused Hinson physical pain to not take that shot.
2.30. Hey I want to see more Cryer with the basketball. Give it to him, you cowards. Oh, Cryer screening in the small small PNR then coming for the fake hand off to Mobley. Mobley with a very clunky looking ball fake that did get his defender up in the air. Didn't work out.
1.09. sadly they took Cryer out but Coleman Hawkins is in. I have this preconception of Coleman Hawkins as a chaos agent, and there he was dribbling with the spin into two players and coughing it up in the paint.
0.20. This Manon guy seems to be in the middle of EVERYTHING.
Mobley’s body language, play style and expressions are wildly entertaining. I can only describe him as loosey goosey
I've liked his defensive presence...
If Kuminga returns, I don't see why he can't play a Shawn Marion role along with Jimmy, Steph and Dray. If JK embraces that role -- point of attack defender, specialize in set-shot corner 3s, backdoor cuts, occasional post-ups and isos, he can easily average 18 ppg / 8 rebs playing 30 minutes per game.
Shawn Marion could hit corner and wing 3s as a kick-out option. JK is not known as a shooter, but he can shoot 3s respectably if he's given time to set his feet like Marion. He'll be able to pick up 4 points a quarter just by rim-running, backdoor cuts, capitalizing on Steph's gravity.
IF Kuminga returns, I'd ask him to focus on: setting screens, point-of-attack defense, corner 3s, boxing out for rebounds. It can work. But only if JK is willing to buy in to his role. He's gotta forget about the Kobe mentality of having the offense run through him. Only bring that bag out if Steph is resting on load-management.
Dontcha understand? He’s a star! A STAR, I tell ya. He doesn’t have to learn any skills - he’s a natural! ‘N all these hall of famers are just standin’ in his way.. ‘cause they’re jealous! That’s right, I said it. They got nuthin on my guy…
He's Kobe reincarnated
Be careful. Kobe's ghost is not to be taken lightly.
Kobe's ghost is worth $30M per year easy
Kobe's ghost presumably doesn't have or need money.
At any rate, I think we can agree that JK would be a lot better off not trying to be the Black Mamba. He's not that guy. I like Arnold's Shawn Marion comp though.
I lived in AZ for 3 years and just by chance, the first 3 Nash years where they were very good and fun to watch. Marion was a much better rebounder and really fit nicely in their offense and style of play. More enjoyable watching them than even the Warriors title teams for me.
cause he doesn't want to
Thats alot of the same IF’s doing some serious legwork these last 3 years though.