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If we do a sign & trade with KO, can't we get a trade exception slot? That seems like a big deal.

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Going under the hard cap was really painful when we did it with Durant. Not sure Oubre worth that pain

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I'm talking about trading away KO for a future trade exemption in case we have the option of getting a player later.

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I think it was more of “Not worth it just to get a non-star like Oubre on your roster.

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The cost to the receiving team is the same as if they'd signed Oubre. They don't lose a trade exception, they're just picking up a player they were going to sign anyway. The W's throw in a low level pick to make it worth their while. There might be some goofy cap stuff for traded salary vs free agent salary that I'm forgetting tho'.

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I believe receiving a sign-and-trade automatically hardcaps you, but signing a FA does not.

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3D, I don't have much to add to your assessment of the situation with Oubre. He's a good player, not damaged goods. He needs a situation on a young and growing team that has cap room. He reminds me of Little Richard holding up that boom box!

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It has more of a Lionel Richie feel to me... but the hilarious say anything analogy, I’m trying to figure out who KO (as Lloyd) is wooing, the fans? The fo? The Golden One? Love this Duby

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Jun 1, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Oubre never really had a chance to show what he could look like with the Dubs. Coming off surgery, short training camp with no Dray to really learn Dubs basketball, compressed schedule with no practice time, and a string of injuries that seemed to keep coming as he was figuring things out. Unless his team is greatly overestimating the market for his services, he won't be back, and that's unfortunate. (But there's no way we should sign him at more than 15k/3).

I wish him well and will definitely peek at where he goes on and off. Hopefully he can find a little more luck and a situation where he can shine.

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I'm cool off oubre, I think his defense is overrated and I don't want him taking minutes from lee, baze, jessup or a FA who can actually shoot. I am not going to miss the contested double teamed ten footers lol

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I loved Oubre on the Dubs, but can't see how his salary fits. His absence will give more minutes to the new draftees

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I'm just going to sit back and enjoy this summer. I think it'll be our best since Iguodala or KD's offseason

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Well it better be. We didn't have to do much during the kd years lol

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Jun 1, 2021Liked by punk basketball

For someone who will cost around $100 million, he's nowhere near good enough. We can say the "It's not my money" line, but if the GM has come out and said that $400 million would be exceeding the limit (and tbh, that's fair enough considering we've spent more than any other franchise in the last couple of years basically), then it seems like him returning is just not viable.

I don't think we'll miss him too much though, provided we get Bazemore and 1 or 2 decent wings back at the minimum.

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Jun 1, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Lee

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Jun 1, 2021Liked by punk basketball

If hes just a one year fling, we should have traded him for assets when his stock was high

I think the FO and KO both want something to work out here in GS, or it wouldnt it have been mutually agreed upon to trade him so "everyone wins" before the trade deadline?

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Jun 1, 2021Liked by punk basketball

His stock was never really high - he was an expiring contract. I doubt we had anything but a 2nd round pick on the table for him. We were able to get 1 full season of Kelly Oubre for a heavily protected 1st (top 20). Half a season of Kelly Oubre is probably not worth a first for most teams.

I highly doubt the Oubre for Lonzo swap (with no additional assets) was ever on the table, and the other mooted trade (Dinwiddie for Oubre) also meant taking back a guy who had a player option to opt out this year.

There is an argument for trading him for a future second, but I respect the decision to try to win and get into the playoffs this year.

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I left it out because I thought it was too speculative, but the Warriors FO (in my opinion) did a really ham-fisted job when they loudly dangled him at the trade deadline.

In retrospect, I now think they were already looking ahead at the math and knew it was super unlikely they'd be bringing him back - which is also why no team bit on the offer. Just wait a couple months and make him an offer as a UFA

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Was he damaged goods at the trade deadline? His injury news has been really vague.

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Jun 1, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Other than forgetting to include “smoldering good looks” in the “what to like” section, this was a great look at the situation.

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I think the comments about $400M limit are at least in part meant to accelerate negotiations with Oubre’s agents. I think they’re telling the league that if the offer a $15M/year contract, they can get Oubre… if he doesn’t get that, he can accept a MLE type contract from the warriors or find somewhere else. I think Bob is hoping that oubre won’t get a great contract offer in the first week, then he’ll have leverage to say “hey, we’d love to bring you back, but I got other options for the MLE they are waiting on my call back. you’re our first choice, but let me know quickly “

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Of course we have no way to know what ownership will spend but $400M is a massive NBA payroll, and they must have lost plenty when Chase Center was closed to the public due to the pandemic. My guess is Bob's being straight about that.

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It’s an obscene number, whether it’s 400, 350, or 450. he’s volunteering the specific number when he could easily avoid specifics. there’s some agenda there, for sure.

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Wasn't he specifically asked about a 400 mill payroll?

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I think it’s the next round number coming up… he still doesn’t need to respond directly or definitively if he doesn’t want to.

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May 31, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I think by all measures this was a pretty awful season for Oubre.

He started off by setting one of those all-time records you really don't want to possess, in a way that very visibly let his team down. He was in a bunch of lowlight plays during this stretch, too.

He ended the season injured after playing badly while trying to tough his way through the injury, while the team found more success with a bunch of G-league recruits and young guys filling in for his spot.

He struggled to fit in, and was unable to fulfill the role the team wanted him for—the "3" part of "3&D" was absent more than not. The one stretch of the season he was playing well came at a time when the rest of the team was still shaky and did not last long enough to show whether it was a fluke or if that's his true game.

By all accounts he was a good and fun dude, but most NBA roster spots are not assigned that way. There are plenty of reasons to believe he can be a contributor on a winning team, but this season added a lot more reasons to be concerned that maybe he can't. Luckily for Tsunami Papi, there are many millions of dollars out there somewhere for a guy with the skills he definitely has, regardless of whether he was able to fit the pieces together this year.

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No way Oubre is staying. Love the guy, and he's a hell of a player. But he definitely doesn't fit into Kerr's offense. He'll make some team very happy and he'll get paid. I wish him the best of luck, but he shouldn't be a Warrior next year.

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Whether he’s a fit or not the reason he’s not sticking around, $$$$$$

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May 31, 2021Liked by punk basketball

https://youtu.be/Ygf03spXKIw

Some quick comments from wiseman about his injury and reaction to Myers comments about how they aren't looking to trade him

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He had one job. And...

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In an earlier thread, some of us were arguing whether he could even attract $15M/yr. I definitely think he will get that, but it looks like his camp is aiming for $20M/yr.

The agent’s argument is: 3 and D, lots of hustle, charismatic, good locker room guy even when he was struggling with a new system. He’s proven he can excel in non-Kerrball, and by the end of the season, he had picked up Kerrball even though there was barely any practice time.

Having said that, I think there’s no way GSW can (or should) bring him back.

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One of my biggest concerns this summer is the pick not conveying this year. If it were to push to 2022 (less value imho), we would have a lack of assets building for 2021-22. Am wondering if we should sign Oubre for say $10-15 million then be open to trading him as part of package to shed salary (for players of lesser value) at the trade deadline in 2022. After all, isn’t the luxury tax calculated at the end of the year vs beginning of season? Still would have to pay but hopefully for less money and players that are better fits... In the meantime, like others, I would like to see Oubre as the smallball 4. Again, only do this if we don’t get Minnesota’s pick this year (to help soften the blow).

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The problem is that Oubre has to agree to $10-15 million, and his camp has already put out the word that they are looking for $20M. So I think there is no way he will sign with GSW.

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I just don’t think there’ll be a market for him at $20 mil. But if he does... thanks for the memories! I’d draw the line at $15, where I think his contract would still be tradeable/considered an asset.

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Especially when you consider the luxury tax which makes Oubre a $100M/year player if they bring him back at $20m. Rather than finish the season with 8 available players it seems like it makes more sense to spread that money around on players at or near the veteran minimum. Bazemore and Lee fit that description even if they aren't as good at getting to the rim, as do GPII which is why they signed him as insurance, and former Warrior GRIII. Nobody would consider any of these guys $15m/year players, but they are all solid NBA players,

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Love the guy, but he is missing the 3 part of 3 & D. Personally, I’d love him as a Kerr-ball 4. But his lack of shooting/creation makes him hard to play w/ Dray and Looney. Its one of the ways that Dray limits what the Dubs can do. He simply can’t play with guys that don’t shoot.

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Oubre was injured at the end of last season in Phoenix and did not play in the playoffs. Same thing happened this year. Would you give a lot of money to a potentially injury prone player?

Also Phoenix did well without Oubre last year in the bubble. Warriors also won a lot of games with Oubre out of the lineup. So Oubre has not shown that he impacts winning. His 3 point shooting is not that good, so I would not call him a 3 and D player.

Oubre lost value with the Warriors this year. He was not a good fit with Kerr’s system. I am thinking he will have to sign a 1 year prove it deal for next year.

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The league is so hungry for guys like Oubre, I don't think 20 per year is that big of an ask. I keep thinking of the young Dubs overpaying for David Lee, just because they needed some sort of viable answer at a position of need.

Between Poole, Baze, and Lee (and returning Klay), that's not the Warriors right now - even before we get into the cap nerd stuff.

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I don't think the league is that hungry for Oubre. I just can't think of many teams with cap space who are going to plant him in as a starting wing. He's not actually a 3 and D guy. He's had two seasons out of six where he shot better than 33% from 3. The metrics have never been in his favor from an oncourt/offcourt perspective.

I think he most likely ends up between MLE to something like 2y/28Mish. 20M seems absurd.

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Is Baze coming back a sure thing?

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not at all.

In my heart though? Yes.

I'll probably do his season in review next. Like Oubre, he's a real mixed bag, but the numbers help his case a whole lot more. And there's the culture/Steph fit, Kerr trusted him at the end, etc.

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I think Dre is pretty much done, definitely not a $15m/year player anymore.

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May 31, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I'm guessing he's gonna walk, and I'm OK with that. With all the talk about maximizing Steph while he's still in his prime, it's hard to see the logic in having a high-volume, low-efficiency player like KO sharing the floor with him. I also don't see KO taking big bucks from the Dubs and then coming off the bench once Klay is ready to go. This is his time to secure the big contract and play big minutes, and I don't think it's gonna happen in GS.

I think that KO's management team may have been behind the leaks about playing with a broken wrist, just so the rest of the league can discount his performance due to the injury and increase his salary potential. Doesn't sound like a strategy for someone who wants to come back to the Dubs.

Best case scenario would be for the Dubs to do a sign-and-trade - this would obviously keep them in luxury tax hell but could bring in a more complimentary player. I understand that it's hard to do that with a team already well over the cap - perhaps someone can flesh out what would be needed to make a sign-and-trade work.

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>> this would obviously keep them in luxury tax

Not entirely. If sign and trade does happen, FO doesn't need to use all of trade exception amount. You could get a player with say $3-5M in salary through trade.

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May 31, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Bad timing includes the funding hit to Chase center caused by Covid

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