3D, I don't have much to add to your assessment of the situation with Oubre. He's a good player, not damaged goods. He needs a situation on a young and growing team that has cap room. He reminds me of Little Richard holding up that boom box!
Oubre never really had a chance to show what he could look like with the Dubs. Coming off surgery, short training camp with no Dray to really learn Dubs basketball, compressed schedule with no practice time, and a string of injuries that seemed to keep coming as he was figuring things out. Unless his team is greatly overestimating the market for his services, he won't be back, and that's unfortunate. (But there's no way we should sign him at more than 15k/3).
I wish him well and will definitely peek at where he goes on and off. Hopefully he can find a little more luck and a situation where he can shine.
I'm cool off oubre, I think his defense is overrated and I don't want him taking minutes from lee, baze, jessup or a FA who can actually shoot. I am not going to miss the contested double teamed ten footers lol
For someone who will cost around $100 million, he's nowhere near good enough. We can say the "It's not my money" line, but if the GM has come out and said that $400 million would be exceeding the limit (and tbh, that's fair enough considering we've spent more than any other franchise in the last couple of years basically), then it seems like him returning is just not viable.
I don't think we'll miss him too much though, provided we get Bazemore and 1 or 2 decent wings back at the minimum.
If hes just a one year fling, we should have traded him for assets when his stock was high
I think the FO and KO both want something to work out here in GS, or it wouldnt it have been mutually agreed upon to trade him so "everyone wins" before the trade deadline?
I think the comments about $400M limit are at least in part meant to accelerate negotiations with Oubre’s agents. I think they’re telling the league that if the offer a $15M/year contract, they can get Oubre… if he doesn’t get that, he can accept a MLE type contract from the warriors or find somewhere else. I think Bob is hoping that oubre won’t get a great contract offer in the first week, then he’ll have leverage to say “hey, we’d love to bring you back, but I got other options for the MLE they are waiting on my call back. you’re our first choice, but let me know quickly “
I think by all measures this was a pretty awful season for Oubre.
He started off by setting one of those all-time records you really don't want to possess, in a way that very visibly let his team down. He was in a bunch of lowlight plays during this stretch, too.
He ended the season injured after playing badly while trying to tough his way through the injury, while the team found more success with a bunch of G-league recruits and young guys filling in for his spot.
He struggled to fit in, and was unable to fulfill the role the team wanted him for—the "3" part of "3&D" was absent more than not. The one stretch of the season he was playing well came at a time when the rest of the team was still shaky and did not last long enough to show whether it was a fluke or if that's his true game.
By all accounts he was a good and fun dude, but most NBA roster spots are not assigned that way. There are plenty of reasons to believe he can be a contributor on a winning team, but this season added a lot more reasons to be concerned that maybe he can't. Luckily for Tsunami Papi, there are many millions of dollars out there somewhere for a guy with the skills he definitely has, regardless of whether he was able to fit the pieces together this year.
No way Oubre is staying. Love the guy, and he's a hell of a player. But he definitely doesn't fit into Kerr's offense. He'll make some team very happy and he'll get paid. I wish him the best of luck, but he shouldn't be a Warrior next year.
In an earlier thread, some of us were arguing whether he could even attract $15M/yr. I definitely think he will get that, but it looks like his camp is aiming for $20M/yr.
The agent’s argument is: 3 and D, lots of hustle, charismatic, good locker room guy even when he was struggling with a new system. He’s proven he can excel in non-Kerrball, and by the end of the season, he had picked up Kerrball even though there was barely any practice time.
Having said that, I think there’s no way GSW can (or should) bring him back.
I'm guessing he's gonna walk, and I'm OK with that. With all the talk about maximizing Steph while he's still in his prime, it's hard to see the logic in having a high-volume, low-efficiency player like KO sharing the floor with him. I also don't see KO taking big bucks from the Dubs and then coming off the bench once Klay is ready to go. This is his time to secure the big contract and play big minutes, and I don't think it's gonna happen in GS.
I think that KO's management team may have been behind the leaks about playing with a broken wrist, just so the rest of the league can discount his performance due to the injury and increase his salary potential. Doesn't sound like a strategy for someone who wants to come back to the Dubs.
Best case scenario would be for the Dubs to do a sign-and-trade - this would obviously keep them in luxury tax hell but could bring in a more complimentary player. I understand that it's hard to do that with a team already well over the cap - perhaps someone can flesh out what would be needed to make a sign-and-trade work.
If we do a sign & trade with KO, can't we get a trade exception slot? That seems like a big deal.
3D, I don't have much to add to your assessment of the situation with Oubre. He's a good player, not damaged goods. He needs a situation on a young and growing team that has cap room. He reminds me of Little Richard holding up that boom box!
Oubre never really had a chance to show what he could look like with the Dubs. Coming off surgery, short training camp with no Dray to really learn Dubs basketball, compressed schedule with no practice time, and a string of injuries that seemed to keep coming as he was figuring things out. Unless his team is greatly overestimating the market for his services, he won't be back, and that's unfortunate. (But there's no way we should sign him at more than 15k/3).
I wish him well and will definitely peek at where he goes on and off. Hopefully he can find a little more luck and a situation where he can shine.
I'm cool off oubre, I think his defense is overrated and I don't want him taking minutes from lee, baze, jessup or a FA who can actually shoot. I am not going to miss the contested double teamed ten footers lol
I loved Oubre on the Dubs, but can't see how his salary fits. His absence will give more minutes to the new draftees
I'm just going to sit back and enjoy this summer. I think it'll be our best since Iguodala or KD's offseason
For someone who will cost around $100 million, he's nowhere near good enough. We can say the "It's not my money" line, but if the GM has come out and said that $400 million would be exceeding the limit (and tbh, that's fair enough considering we've spent more than any other franchise in the last couple of years basically), then it seems like him returning is just not viable.
I don't think we'll miss him too much though, provided we get Bazemore and 1 or 2 decent wings back at the minimum.
If hes just a one year fling, we should have traded him for assets when his stock was high
I think the FO and KO both want something to work out here in GS, or it wouldnt it have been mutually agreed upon to trade him so "everyone wins" before the trade deadline?
Other than forgetting to include “smoldering good looks” in the “what to like” section, this was a great look at the situation.
I think the comments about $400M limit are at least in part meant to accelerate negotiations with Oubre’s agents. I think they’re telling the league that if the offer a $15M/year contract, they can get Oubre… if he doesn’t get that, he can accept a MLE type contract from the warriors or find somewhere else. I think Bob is hoping that oubre won’t get a great contract offer in the first week, then he’ll have leverage to say “hey, we’d love to bring you back, but I got other options for the MLE they are waiting on my call back. you’re our first choice, but let me know quickly “
I think by all measures this was a pretty awful season for Oubre.
He started off by setting one of those all-time records you really don't want to possess, in a way that very visibly let his team down. He was in a bunch of lowlight plays during this stretch, too.
He ended the season injured after playing badly while trying to tough his way through the injury, while the team found more success with a bunch of G-league recruits and young guys filling in for his spot.
He struggled to fit in, and was unable to fulfill the role the team wanted him for—the "3" part of "3&D" was absent more than not. The one stretch of the season he was playing well came at a time when the rest of the team was still shaky and did not last long enough to show whether it was a fluke or if that's his true game.
By all accounts he was a good and fun dude, but most NBA roster spots are not assigned that way. There are plenty of reasons to believe he can be a contributor on a winning team, but this season added a lot more reasons to be concerned that maybe he can't. Luckily for Tsunami Papi, there are many millions of dollars out there somewhere for a guy with the skills he definitely has, regardless of whether he was able to fit the pieces together this year.
No way Oubre is staying. Love the guy, and he's a hell of a player. But he definitely doesn't fit into Kerr's offense. He'll make some team very happy and he'll get paid. I wish him the best of luck, but he shouldn't be a Warrior next year.
https://youtu.be/Ygf03spXKIw
Some quick comments from wiseman about his injury and reaction to Myers comments about how they aren't looking to trade him
In an earlier thread, some of us were arguing whether he could even attract $15M/yr. I definitely think he will get that, but it looks like his camp is aiming for $20M/yr.
The agent’s argument is: 3 and D, lots of hustle, charismatic, good locker room guy even when he was struggling with a new system. He’s proven he can excel in non-Kerrball, and by the end of the season, he had picked up Kerrball even though there was barely any practice time.
Having said that, I think there’s no way GSW can (or should) bring him back.
I'm guessing he's gonna walk, and I'm OK with that. With all the talk about maximizing Steph while he's still in his prime, it's hard to see the logic in having a high-volume, low-efficiency player like KO sharing the floor with him. I also don't see KO taking big bucks from the Dubs and then coming off the bench once Klay is ready to go. This is his time to secure the big contract and play big minutes, and I don't think it's gonna happen in GS.
I think that KO's management team may have been behind the leaks about playing with a broken wrist, just so the rest of the league can discount his performance due to the injury and increase his salary potential. Doesn't sound like a strategy for someone who wants to come back to the Dubs.
Best case scenario would be for the Dubs to do a sign-and-trade - this would obviously keep them in luxury tax hell but could bring in a more complimentary player. I understand that it's hard to do that with a team already well over the cap - perhaps someone can flesh out what would be needed to make a sign-and-trade work.
Bad timing includes the funding hit to Chase center caused by Covid