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I will miss Poole's facial expressiveness & showmanship

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Ty Jerome

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"weird scandals"?

It was just a little friendly bite. Jeez. Marv had personality, the rest BOOOR ING! It's a NY thing, what can I say. Breen is okay. Back in the day he was on Imus all the time telling stupid jokes. He used to have personality but when the bucks come in they all get corporate - as in boring. And they all wear cheap suits and really bad ties. Pat Riley they're not! And Kevin Harlan? Please God, no more!

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Just saw a cool clip of Mac McClung walking down a street when a young kid walks past wearing a Phila McClung jersey. Mac goes “Hey sweet jersey.” Kid goes “Thanks bro” and keeps walking. Finally someone stops the kid and his mom to tell them who that was. Mac then takes pictures and signs the jersey.

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Aug 2, 2023Liked by Eric Apricot

I was going to just sarcastically say "thanks for sharing the link", but I decided to go the extra mile and find it for anyone else interested https://twitter.com/dcoopbball/status/1686368786306170881?s=20

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As I was writing I was laughing to myself that I should probably share the link instead of just describing it. But I am dealing with Covid brain and it seemed too much for me to figure out. Thanks for covering my slack.

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Thanks for sharing the link

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So... Im gonna express an opinion others might be thinking but not wiling to say, I'm OK with Poole being gone and overall, his lack of commitment to defense isn't championship basketball at the end of the day. Also, I will not miss his turnovers and random chucking of the ball.

A great player exist within him, but he that player would never be realized with the warriors.

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Poole's game was good enough to be one of the key contributors to our championship run in the playoffs last year. But I guess we're just gonna focus on his poor performance last year.

Also, there is zero reason to believe that great player would never be realized with the Warriors. He was that great player from All Star Break onwards in the championship season. He had a down year, but growth is not necessarily linear. With that being said, I'm happy he is gone as well because we had to choose between him/Draymond for locker room purposes and Draymond is the second most important player for us on the court and perhaps the most important player for us off the court as a leader.

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We had to choose between Poole and Draymond for $$$$ purposes.

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Aug 2, 2023Liked by Eric Apricot

I can't really disagree with anything you said... But it feels uncomfortable to talk about his faults post punch.

These kind of takes are hard to have online when we all probably have a mixture of thoughts that are tough to into words on a blog.

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> Hmmm, wonder why Poole had a ‘down year’?

I dunno if that covers how terrible he was last season. We don't know enough to say if last season was a down year or if the previous season was just an up year. The unearned heat checks, slip and slide dribbling, four moves when one was enough, disinterest in rebounding, bottom of the league defensive output, complaining to the media during the playoffs, how valuable is a player like that if the shots stop falling? Going to need to see if the career 34% three point shooter (and excellent finisher, to be fair) can make these shots at a high level before I'd give him a pass for "extenuating circumstances", he hasn't earned that yet imo. Plus I suspect Poole's tension with Kerr about playing time (which preceded the punch) was a bigger factor, after all it wasn't Draymond he was publicly complaining about during the playoffs.

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When Poole got the bag in the immediate aftermath while Draymond was left twisting in the wind, a lot of us felt the team was choosing him over Draymond.

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What is sad is that it was actually reasonably clear that both Poole (for the reason you outline) and Wise needed to be traded in the previous offseason after the Championship parade, and the FO gambled and lost badly on both counts. A year ago, a package of JP and JW could probably have gotten us a very nice return in terms of a 6th man and future FRP or two to replace the one we owe to Memphis, all this while maybe being able to retain GP2.

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Aug 2, 2023·edited Aug 2, 2023

You definitely saw it before I did. I so thought Poole was gonna step up his defense last season.

With that said, they were our guys and I wanted to see them succeed.

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I’m voting “other” because I’m a big Ty Jerome fan. Love is leadership.

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Cory Joseph might end up being huge for us as far as leadership and whatnot goes but damn, Ty would have been the perfect PG3 behind Steph and CP.

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I would have been fine with keeping Ty. He's also a young player who can improve and maybe give us more than one season. But as you say, Cory Joseph could be the right guy for this coming season. He rarely turns the ball over and can competently run the offense when Steph and CP3 are resting. As I recall he's a pretty good defender as well.

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“… and can competently run the offense when Steph and CP3 are resting.”

I would have said something similar about Wanamaker before seeing his fit with GSW.

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https://twitter.com/ClutchPoints/status/1686512337237270528

More Steph love from Kenyon Martin Sr & Jr.

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I don't think we should assume Lamb is gone. Could see the Warriors bringing him back on a two-way.

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- on the idea of Lamb on a 2-way, I agree: I wouldn't be too surprised as the coaching staff obviously loved using him, and he was pretty effective

- on the many comments below about Lamb, my perspective on the different layers/ideas of thought

1) on one side you have "women rarely falsely accuse", so it's safer just to not get involved with a player with that history

2) on the other side, you have a long history in America of false accusations from white women claiming black men sexually assaulted them

In this particular case, as far as I can tell (but perhaps there's details I don't know), there's no compelling evidence available to sway a person between option 1 and 2. The circumstances/facts seem to be the two dated for 6 months (during which time I'm not sure if there is agreement that consensual sex took place?). They broke up, and 2 months later had sex again at a party, and the parties disagree over whether it was consensual.

Honestly I don't really know how you litigate such a claim on either side (though a charge was never raised so that has not even been an option). Perhaps that's why a formal charge was never made. But because the he/she said nature of the situation, it allows each person to somewhat randomly come to their own conclusions. That's fine I suppose. But I don't agree with the attempts for moral supremacy, like "well if you are ok with Lamb you are ok with rape". You can just as easily say "if you don't want Lamb around you are ok with systematic racism and the perpetuation of disproportionate successful false accusations toward African-Americans". Again, unless there's some key pieces of the case I'm missing, there's really no way we will know the truth.

Personally, in the face of such ambiguity and uncertainty, I prefer to try to not reserve much judgement. Nothing I have seen from Lamb seems to suggest he is a bad person, so I'm going to go with that. Doesn't mean that he didn't commit something heinous, but I guess I'm just not ready to impose that on someone.

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Trying to ruin my Tuesday afternoon, huh?

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Were there rumblings of discontent last year? I know many of us weren't psyched about 40's presence, but I don't recall anything on the players end

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I hate finding myself in the position of being perceived as 'defending' Lamb - I think the alleged act is gruesome and worthy of condemnation.

That said, I don't think any players are perceiving Anthony as a threat to their kids / family. The alleged incident happened in the context of at least initially consensual attempted make-up sex for a previously broken-off long-term relationship.

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This is how you feel about Lamb, which is understandable. But we have no clue about what the players think about Lamb, nor do we know anything about bonding between other players and Lamb.

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I'm not keen on rehashing a convo that was had most of last year, so I'll just state where I'm coming from.

Speaking for myself personally, I have a hard time rooting for someone credibly accused (but not convicted) of SA. I'm not saying he should be blacklisted (either officially or under the table), but I'd prefer if the team I root for didn't employ him and I don't think those two impulses are contradictory. Genuinely, it's because he's only subject to those allegations that I'm not driving a harder line.

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Aug 2, 2023·edited Aug 2, 2023

I think it's fine for you to have a hard time rooting for someone whose been accused of SA (I do as well, i try to mainly ignore he exists), I just find it a bit disturbing that you prefer someone lose employment simply because of an accusation.

I do find it a bit facile when people reference that Lamb has not been proven "guilty" of allegations, there are plenty of instances where someone can be found "not guilty" but nonetheless someone can determine that there is enough evidence in a case to disagree with the verdict. In that sort of case, I'd be right alongside you. But that didn't happen here.

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>What happened in the court of public opinion?

He was found guilty in the court of public opinion and never tried in a court of law as the accuser declined to prosecute (there are many understandable but sad reasons for this historically).

Considering the very low rate of false accusations when it comes to this stuff as well as the information that IS out there, I don't think it's an unfair verdict.

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Aug 2, 2023·edited Aug 2, 2023

This is a terrible argument, just because false accusations are rare overall does not prove the veracity of any specific claim without examining the evidence for that particular case.

Similarly, far right conservatives often utilized the 13/50 crime statistic as justification for stop and frisk policies because they were taking a broad statistical reality and applying it to individual black people (please don't respond with talking about the various socioeconomic/political factors/history which contribute to this stat, don't worry I know). You are also taking a broad statistical reality and applying it to individual plaintiffs and I'm illustrating to you why that can be a dangerous game.

Now, I'm perfectly fine with finding people guilty in the court of private opinion due to the nature of this crime making it difficult to hold individuals legally accountable for these crimes. However, in this particular instance, since the accuser has declined to prosecute and we have damn near no evidence beyond the accusation its a he said/she said convo and I personally can't convict him.

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Yes odds are he did it, and we don't have to like the guy or even respect him. That said, the fact that there is a low rate of false accusations (I am assuming that is a fact) does not mean he's guilty. It means odds are he is guilty, which is not the same thing. An assumption of guilt based on "those people are almost always guilty" has been an excuse for terrible miscarriages of justice. Consider what happened to Emmett Till for an extreme example.

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A little OT to this specific article but here are some JK highlights from this season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccwvrCC2yQ

Us Warrior's fans knows exactly what he needs to work on to get better since we watch him play more but I feel like we need to be reminded of what he CAN do every now and then. He's going to be freaking good man.

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That compilation has a lot of not super impressive plays, to be honest, but if anything it underrates Kuminga. You can see he has a few good moves around the basket, very smooth and quick finishing ability, can hunt a mismatch successfully, runs the floor, and times his cuts well to finish off an advantage created by other players. I wish the highlight reel showed more of his passing ability, which he clearly stepped up compared to his rookie season, and his on-ball defense which was legitimately excellent on several occasions.

Defensive rebounding won't make the highlight reel, of course, but in addition to improvements there and a decent enough percentage on 3's to make people guard him out there, I'm quite hopeful that Kuminga can become a double-threat in the post: guard the cutter or he'll dump it off to them, but don't take your focus off him either or he'll drop step and dunk it on you, and oh by the way that cutter? It was Steph Curry, he didn't stop moving, and he just relocated to the strong-side corner. Oh, right, you didn't want to get fired so you both jumped at him? Sorry, the dump-off pass was fake; Kuminga just dunked it.

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Aug 1, 2023·edited Aug 1, 2023

Thank you.

A necessary antidote to all those trade proposals that had us shipping him off for some mediocre vet who might help for a year or two, tops. Probably the best thing about this offseason is that we didn't trade either Kuminga or Moody.

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And there were a lot of folks on this site shipping him off😁

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I'm gonna miss Wiseman. I'll get my fix, because I will watch him on the Pistons and root for him to emerge as the star many of us thought/hoped he would be. But I will still miss him.

I'll miss Wiseman most because its the classic case of a skilled player trapped in a place that doesn't want to use his skills. JP had the advantage of so many people getting injured they had to play him, he messed up a lot, and came out the other side a solid contributor kicking down the door to stardom. Almost any other team and, even with the injuries, Wiseman would have already established himself as a nightly double-double machine. He'd be solidly in the All-star conversation, and the best pundits (not necessarily the most entertaining) would be talking about him needing to improve his defense in order to take the next step to superstardom. But because he would have established his offense, teams would give him time to solidify the defense, and his confidence would be solid enough to make that a good bet. Instead, Dubs (read: Kerr's) mismanagement, soul-destroying DNPs, and failure to hold other players equally accountable, left him the task of rebuilding his confidence and has left US in a conversation about whether Wiseman can stick as a second- or third-string center. It didn't have to be that way. So, I'm rooting for him to shake off the doubt, put his head down, and play his game with fire. In short, be a WARRIOR. I will miss seeing him have a chance to do that in a Warriors uniform. And when he plays the Dubs, I know who I'LL be rooting for.

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Are you saying you'll be rooting for Wiseman against the Warriors when Detroit plays us?

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I am saying I'd love for Wiseman to posterize Dray, Klay, Steph, and Kerr (but I doubt Kerr is going to let himself be in position for that to happen). I'd like Wiseman to go for 30, go 3 for 4 from three, with 7 blocks, 3 fouls, and a +20 plus/minus, as the Pistons lose in the final possession, 109-108 on a miscue that's clearly committed by some other Piston. So, I'm rooting for Wiseman the player to play phenomenally well and the Warriors team to win. You got a problem with that? ;-)

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Just trying to understand what your priorities are

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I think his path to stardom in Detroit may be next-to-nonexistant.

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> I think his path to stardom in Detroit may be next-to-nonexistant.

Possibly. They had a promising center already in Jalen Duren and they just extended Beef Stew. And they have Marvin Bagley. So, its a jam up front. He may get traded. But last year they experimented with a twin towers line-up and they brought in a pretty creative coach with some experience using a big to do more than screen and rebound. Duren's a pretty solid passer and there may be advantages in zagging as the rest of the league zigs. So, yeah, its definitely not a certainty.

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I had that irrationally good feeling about Ryan Rollins and was most disappointed when he was packed up with PBJ. I was thinking how much they might help this season to mix up the looks on offense. Instead, we can have CP3 pulling his hamstrings.

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Aug 1, 2023·edited Aug 1, 2023

Lester Q fills the Rollins role but with better size and 3 pt shooting; and Dario brings the stretch bigness we lost with PBJ (with TJD effectively taking PBJ’s roster spot, and providing toughness, rebounding, had shotblocking that PBJ lacked).

CP3 has been much more durable over his career than either Rollins or PBJ has.

I’ll miss dreaming on the potential of both PBJ and Rollins, but roster spots are zero sum, you can only have so many kids, and Mike D and the brass apparently preferred TJD, Podz, Lester, and Gui (plus of course Jon and Moses).

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Lester is worthy of irrational good feelings too. I was thinking of him more of a JP replacement. But due to unfortunate luck with injuries, I never really got to see what Ryan was all about (my feelings were purely based on what Kerr said he saw, when he first watched him work out pre draft).

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Yeah, we never really got to see the Real Ryan Rollins, which is a bummer. I can’t say I was overly impressed with the brief stretches we saw, but I’ll defer to Kerr and JZ Alvarado’s rave reviews, as well as to a Pounding the Rock post that had him rated somewhere around #12 in his draft class.

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvW30LjteCD/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

For my other boxing fan. My wife said the exact same thing on the phone. She asked why Spence had a Glassy Eyed look to him coming into the ring.

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Yeah I have no doubt that the accident contributed in a negative way to his reaction speed, vision, and resilience among other things. I still don't see a pre-accident Spence doing a whole lot better against Crawford though, maybe winning another couple of rounds. He's just too one-dimensional, as excellent as he is at that one dimension.

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Thank you ESPN. We no longer do have to listen to MJax and JVG.

Also what's with the equal representation (Brreen, Burke, Rivers). This country has gone so woke!! /s

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What? No Asian and no Native American? That's only half woke! 😉 (being facetious)

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BOYCOTT WOKE SPORTS!

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Out of the bunch that has left since last season, it's no contest: Poole all the way.

That said, I recognize he may never have been the same for the Ws. And in that case, I'm happier with the memory of 2022 and wishing him well in DC.

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It's JP for me and it's not close. I really liked DDV, but he was on the team for a year. Poole started his career and blew up here, his smile and antics were endearing, despite last year's strife. Dude made me feel, everyone else on the list made me think.

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it was really fun how expressive Poole was, that flair will be missed as a fan (even if the more buttoned down Chris Paul style may better suit the team's needs)

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On the one hand, the Jordan Poole situation was a disaster, what with his huge contract and his inconsistent play and the hanging cloud over the locker room . On the other hand, my 3 year old loves Jordan Poole and when he's on he's incredibly fun to watch and he helped the Dubs win a championship just over a year ago and I'll miss him the most by far. No one else even close.

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