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Love the irony in "dam near perfect."

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There’s a Hardee party going on https://dubnationhq.com/p/warriors-are-navigating-out-of-the

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Thanks, deputy!

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G League Watch Update!!

Jeff Dowtin looking nice in G League. He came off the bench last year and was an extremely efficient shooter + excellent passer. Then in the playoffs, with extended minutes he scored more and became even MORE efficient + even BETTER passer (6.5 assists in 24 minutes). His excellent play garnered him a two way with the Warriors and a starting role with the SC Warriors where he just dropped 33 points.

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I can't wait until this Hawks/Wolves/Bulls/Hornets/Nets murders row this upcoming week!! It's really going to tell us a lot about how good this current incarnation of the Dubs are!! Thankfully, Poole (whose streaky) is finally hitting his roll and I just hope he continues it through this difficult schedule.

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This will be a telling stretch of games. Bulls are the top tier. Nets as currently playing are not, but are good. Hawks can be fantastic sometimes. Sweep those and let's start talking playoffs...

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Ok it may not be a murderers' row. But the Bulls and Nets are legit playoff teams, and the Hawks are one step down but still very competitive. The Hornets and Wolves are likely outside the bubble teams but they are not at the Pels/Rockets level of bad.

What do we do against teams like these? We polish our rotations and practice our sets while making sure to ice the lesser teams without exercising our starters too much. And we dial it up for the best teams. If we win more than we lose against the Bulls/Nets of the league, mostly win against the Hornets/Wolves, and slaughter the Pels/Rockets then the end result will be a very nice playoff spot.

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Hawks are definitely a playoff caliber team. They’re not favorites, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were right at the top of the conference by the end of year

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Poole is definitely “letting the game come to him” much better. He was very much pressing and trying to live up to expectations early in the season. This was an excellent game from him, not just making shots.

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Yeah if Poole plays like this they'll be a top 3 seed in the West (with the usual caveats about health). It's not just the offense, his defense has looked better recently too.

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Poole is really good against traditional defensive schemes where he can get good shots (like open C&S 3s) using his off-ball movement. Where he struggles usually is when the other team has physical, big, switchable defenders and he is forced to create off the dribble (which is currently more miss than hit for him). A team like the Clippers or Nets would really bother him due to this reason.

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There were a couple times where he moved so quickly toward the ball to shut off an action that I had to do a double take to see who it was. He looks a LOT better on the defensive end. Still not sure about Kly/Steph/Poole lineups, but if we can get there defensively, the offensive potential is off the charts (if Wiseman takes a big step forward, he could unlock that).

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IF Poole keeps it up, AND Klay comes back solid on defense, AND Wise figures it out… it’s easily the best starting line up in the league. Some big IFs there, but achievable tho.

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This is not a murderers row with Hawks struggling and Wolves/Hornets coming down earth. The Bulls are playing home games against Sixers, Nets, Mavs ahead of our game and could be coming in on a losing streak even, and the Nets are still down a star too.

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Can’t miss TV!

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One more thing. You know who this team reminds me of? The Spurs, in their glory days. Beautiful basketball, so unselfish, tons of fun to watch, deeper than the deep blue sea. I loved those SAS teams.

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Question semi related: Do Kuminga, wiseman and Moody (Poole and gp2?) make up a championship core in 3 years with Steph, Dray and Klay in old vet supporting roles?

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The only way that happens is if Steph remains a top 5-10 player or if one of Kuminga/Poole becomes a top 5-10 player. The odds of the former are still pretty solid, the latter is a very very low probability outcome.

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I think the question about the young guys gets the old eight ball response "Answer undeterminable, try again later." I WANT to believe that Kuminga Wiseman and Moody will be great, there's plausible argument that they might yet be, but they certainly haven't been yet. We shall see, and probably won't see anything too definite this year, because they won't play much as the team currently is organized, and because even if they do, young players need time to either push and grow like Poole, or stagnate or flame out, and no telling right now which one they will do. Optimistic but realistic.

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You need top 5/10 players to win a championship. If they are a championship core it's because Curry is aging gracefully (or one of those guys has an extremely optimistic developmental trajectory, presumably Kuminga).

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Believe in Moody :)

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You mean Devin Booker 2.0?

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Devin Booker crossed with Mikal Bridges and Kawhi?

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Assuming normal development and health (BIG ASSUMPTIONS ALERT), Steph, Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman and ? is definitely a championship core. I doubt Dray and Klay stick around for vet min contracts. From their perspective at age 33 they both probably have one more semi-big 3 year contract before they start taking vet min deals or retiring. Draymond might as he has his next career as a talking head already lined up, Klay is harder to figure.

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If they can develop into their potential, then I'd definitely say so. Let's play around with this.

5 Years From Now . . .

PG: Poole: 25 PPG scorer who is an average defender and throws in 5 assists per game. A better passer than his numbers suggest, but he just has a score first mentality.

SG: Moody: 15 ppg who is an excellent defender/rebounder who is an excellent decision maker a la Mikal Bridges/Covington.

SF: Kuminga: Jimmy Butler esque player who plays excellent defense, is a very nice passer, utilizes his strength to bully inside while being effective in the midrange. His three point shot is suspect, but he is still an effective player regardless dropping 22 PPG a game.

PF: MYSTERY PLAYER

C: Wiseman: 25 PPG scorer who shoots 35% from three as well as being a huge lob threat. His bread and butter is in the post where he utilizes his size, athleticism/quickness, footwork to demolish opposing defenders. His improved footwork + athleticism has allowed for him to become a competent defender in the perimeter, but he averages 1.6 blocks per game as an average interior defender.

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Two 25ppg scorers certainly sounds very optimistic. In Kerr's tenure it took Curry-KD to get that.

But yeah, as it is Poole-Moody-Kuminga-Wiseman seems like a nice young core to develop.

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5 years? At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Curry was still functioning at an All-star level considering age only seems to be a number with him.

I reckon a lineup of Curry-JP-Moody-Kuminga-Wiseman is more likely with Curry getting reduced minutes (maybe?).

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How about Wiggins (on a lower salary) at SF? He’ll still only be 31. That would let Kuminga be the Giannis-like PF.

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I think that’s unlikely. He’s signed through next season. At the end of 2023 he’ll only be 28 years old! If we are competitive next season he will stay through the playoffs, then be a free agent. No doubt he would get an excellent deal somewhere, and hopefully Kuminga would be ready to take his spot. If Kuminga develops more quickly than I expect, we might even trade Wiggins next year to get something for him rather than see him walk as a free agent.

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The entire league knows Wiggins is over-paid, and he has to know this. If Wiggins thinks he’s earning his salary and is due a big raise when his deal is up, his agents will need to set him straight.

If Wiggins and the team can settle on a fair deal, that would seem to be best for everyone. Vaccine issues aside, it seems like GSW has been the perfect landing spot for him and he will have already made $170 million. I doubt he wants to enter into a deal where the pressure is on him to be “the guy”.

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The agent’s job is to get the most possible for a player, not the least. I don’t know if he gets a max contract but he certainly gets a big one, and likely bigger than the Warriors will want to pay.

I also think your underestimating Wiggins/agent’s greed and pride. And overestimating Wiggins’ smarts. Same guy that didn’t want to get a Covid vaccine for (who knows why)?

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Yeah, its a possibility!! What do you think of my projections? I tried to keep them somewhat realistic, while simultaneously letting the young players fulfill their potential.

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It seems like optimistic, but reasonable outcomes from each of them.

I’ve been saying at least two of the four need to get really good (as in all star level) for them to be a contender. Poole looks like he could be headed there, but we have still don’t have a lot to go on with the other three.

It’s great that we still have multiple seasons to get there with Curry, Dray and Klay leading the way while the kids develop.

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Maybe, hard to know at this point. The real question is: do the Tres Amigos stick around on lower contracts or stick it to the team for max contracts way into their sunset years? If they do team friendly deals and we have the cap space to sign one or two free agent studs we could be competitive for a very long time.

Another consideration in the Warriors’ favor is the timing of the TV contract. New contract coming in 2025 with a likely huge increase in budgets and cap space. Players unlucky enough (um, if you can call unlucky guys who are multi-millionaires and get to play a game for their job, not to mention all that fame and glory) to sign long-term contracts in 2022-24 will really help the overall cap situation in 2025-27. This is Wiseman/MoodyKuminga if Myers et. al. decide to keep them around.

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Tbd... We'll know more in 6 months.

But it's awfully intriguing. Add to those 6: someone in wiggs' salary slot....

I'm on board. :)

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One of those GPII dunks was so ferocious that my stream of the game froze. I just sat for a minute with GPII suspended in midair and enjoyed the moment.

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Clearly that dunk caused the space time continuum to shudder.

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Wasn't a freeze, he just stays up longer.... ;)

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That was such a fun game. Steph is always my favorite to watch but GP2 is a close second. OPJ moves like he doesn’t have control of his legs at times but I find myself rooting for him a lot. Offensive minded Dray is a force and Andre is Mr. old reliable. Bjeli is very serious, would like to see him smile more. These are some important basketball thoughts y’all. Lol

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That deadpan look is Bjeli smiling. Just listen to his post-game interview where he says "it's fun" about a dozen times.

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NBA top ten had 4 Warriors highlights, and didn’t include my three favorite (GP alley oop, Steph to JP, Dray to Wiggins), lol

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Oh, dang, I was just about to post that! NBA Top Ten from last night is like watching the game replay.

Missing: Curry blocks, JK spin move (note to rest of the league: be very afraid)

Also missing: https://thecomeback.com/nba/james-harden-decides-he-has-no-interest-in-retrieving-loose-ball.html

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To be fair, I think he might have thought it would be a back court violation if he touched the ball first. He was dribbling and lost control and the ball rolled back across the line, the defending player did not swat the ball away from him

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You touch the ball instead of giving opponent a 1:1. Even Draymond will do that…

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That might explain why he didn't go for the ball (although he could have stuck his fat you-know-what out between Bey and the ball and made it much harder for him to get it).

That does not explain the classic matador defense after Bey got the ball.

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Young Glove bandwagon:

GPII: 9 mins/gm, 5.9 pts., 67.9 FG%, 55.6 3PT%, 1.9 REB, .8 AST, .8 STL, .1 BLK

AB: 20 mins/gm, 4.9 pts., 44.4 FG%, 36.8 3PT%, 1.8 REB, .5 AST, .6 STL, .1 BLK

GSW SoS: 29

LOL SoS: 30

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It's an insult to GP2 to compare him to Avery Barely.

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Something else I’d like to add about GP2: man his defensive effort in the post against Valanciunas on one play was REALLY impressive (maybe the last bit of the third or early fourth). He played it textbook perfect to front him, relied on help to deny a lob, and then fought for position after the shot (it was a made shot so we didn’t see a rebound). But I’m just impressed by every little thing he does on the court and it feels like we’re just scratching the surface of how impactful he can be.

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Nov 6, 2021Liked by Nate P

This was a great moment. I loved that JV gave up on the post up and bailed to the weak side. He truly lost the battle for position against GPII. That just shouldn’t happen for a guy that’s 6’3

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Nov 6, 2021Liked by Nate P

Yeah one of the issues with Bradley was that even in his prime his defense was restricted to on ball defense of ballhandlers. It feels like GP2 has more to offer overall on the defensive end (and plus is better on the ball against ballhandlers at this point anyway).

I'm glad the Warriors learned from last season's Mulder vs JTA race and didn't reduce everything to "Bradley is a better shooter".

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To be fair, last season Poole wasn’t Poole and the team had a roster full of brick layers, so shooting took on some additional importance

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If it weren't for the hernia I don't think there would have been a competition for the 15th slot as the Warriors already had a pretty good idea what GPII brought to the table. This is also why I thought drafting Davion Mitchell would be a mistake as there are always guys like GPII or AB floating around who play defense but don't shoot much. Mitchell might still become a great shooter but given his age it seems unlikely.

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Entertainment Value

GPII: 100

AB: 10

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The Warriors have had a really easy schedule, I'm excited to see their performance against the better teams. We've yet to face a top 4 seed team and hopefully Steph gets out of his poor shooting malaise before that happens. We need him to be dominant.

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The schedule will of course even out over the season, but this soft opening has been really fortuitous. It’s allowing a bit of a cushion while the team gets used to playing together and Kerr tinkers with the lineups/rotations while there’s less pressure to bring the A game.

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And lets us rack up wins while doing so while shortening the road until Wiseman and Klay come back. Fortunate indeed.

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Agree, but it's still nice to see them win going away against bad teams, which they struggled to do last year. Especially without 40+ from Curry.

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If the Lakers, Kings,or Clippers had beaten us, they would be a top 4 seed. It’s early. Nothing to worry about.

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I'm still high on the Clippers, I think that was a really good win. They currently have the third best point differential in the West despite being in 9th place.

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Same, what they did in the playoffs last year was eye opening.

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I’m not in Mexico right now, the games are at 3 am , but i saw yesterday's game, and the Warriors really felt like a Championship team again, is like the old days ;) thank god the sunday's game is earlier 😅

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Any win is a good feeling for the fan but I don't hold much meaning in this win except as a 'scrimmage' type game to iron certain wrinkles out and try a few new things or rotations/plays. Andre was really on his toes and GP2, Bjelica, and others benefitted by this. A lot of good feeling for our players. I was a bit surprised that Steph played as many minutes as he did. Good to see the rooks on the floor getting theirs. Garbage time looked a heck of a lot better than it usually does.

Looking forward to see how we handle ourselves against Chicago, Brooklyn, and Philly, all this month. We'll see Phoenix in early Dec., and Utah in early Jan., our biggest test, possibly.

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I think it’s meaningful that we absolutely blew their doors off — that’s what the dynasty teams would do, beat the good teams and just demolish the lesser ones.

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Utah, pshaw. Bring ‘em on!!

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Is anybody really scared of Utah? I keep seeing them mentioned as the toughest matchup yet recent history tells me I shouldn't worry, which I don't

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They’re a very good team, but I’d be shocked if they won a championship. IMO there are better teams

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Warriors should be. Utah's record isn't fake. Their lineup is very good on offense and defense, their system of inside- with threes is deadly, they were the regular season best team in the league last year. I'm scared, why aren't you?

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I'm not scared because we beat Utah last year when we had a worse team and they had something to play for. They have also had an easier schedule than most of the league with having faced the Rockets, the Thunder, and the Kings twice so far. Wiseman and Klay will both potentially be back and contributing by that point in time and Steph most likely broken out of his current mini-funk. Should the Warriors be scared of the Jazz? Hell no.

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I think with the Jazz lineup, it's no fluke they win a lot. Gobert Mitchell Conley Oneal Bogdanovich Ingles Clarkson are some really good players. Really really good. And currently at this instant, losing to Miami!

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How come when the Warriors are winning it’s their soft schedule, but Utah’s similarly soft schedule isn’t mentioned?

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Probably because Utah has a recent history of being dominant in the regular season with a similar roster beyond this current 8 game stretch.

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I didn’t think of it as garbage time. More like rookie training time.

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Andre (just like Dray but in a different way) is a treat to listen to. Post game video

https://youtu.be/qnAUxHsMpl8

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Andre alluded to Wise as a starter in post game. Mentioned something like (in good way) - "Crazy thing is that we are looking at two starters get comfortable to come up with a date to come back". Let's see how it all pans out.

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There it is again. Is it a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? Or an axe hanging overhead ready to fall?

I just don’t see what Klay has done to earn a starting spot when he gets back after a two year vacation.

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Klay's a starter my guy. Him existing on offense makes us much more potent.

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Not sure if that 2nd sentence is sarcasm.

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I mean 3rd sentence; the one about Klay

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It's sarcasm. Has to be... right?

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Of course! Klay and Iguodala coming back are what make these guys F’ing Giants! The core 4 plus Looney. It’s the other starter that brings lots of ???????? with him including destroying team chemistry.

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If it's not, it's a foolish statement.

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Now that was fun.

We gonna be championship.

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Just watched the highlights. I haven't seen this kind of passing since when KD first joined the team.

I know the Pelicans are cellar dwellers right now without Ingram/Zion, but with the way the Warriors we're moving the ball, this was a treat to watch.

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Also was nice to see Bjelly and Otto have decent games at the same time.

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That reminds me, so nice for Wiggins that the curse of him never having a good game at the same time as Oubre is irrelevant!

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I would call that a slow triple split, ball up high, one player dives (GP2), another sets a pindown (AW) and another pops out (JP). Here the pindown slips and the defender gets tricked by a sublime pass by Dray into his blind spot.

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Damn bro, thanks. The thing about plays like this is that it kinda looks like chaos, but it’s everyone on the move, setting screens, and looking for opportunities. Eric I for sure need your help to make sense of it.

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It makes more sense if you draw green and red squiggles over everything

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I find it much more clear when you include what the players are saying since the on-court mic’s audio is usually pretty hard to make out.

Case in point: “I’m a dream-maker, baby!”

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Message received. Next video I will overdub Steph singing Frozen throughout the game

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Nov 6, 2021Liked by Eric Apricot

Show off!

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Nov 6, 2021Liked by Eric Apricot

Thanks, Sensei. I figured it is a version of triple split but wasn't sure.

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Nov 6, 2021Liked by Eric Apricot

I knew that

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