Hollinger’s players to watch in the second half is littered with current and ex-Dubs: GUI, Ty, and Ryan Rollins!
Here’s the one I didn’t expect:
Ryan Rollins, Bucks
Time for a deep cut. … Is this anything? Since the Milwaukee Bucks put two-way Ryan Rollins into their rotation, he’s offered a pretty dramatic upgrade on what has previously passed for the back end of their rotation, especially at the defensive end.
Rollins is averaging 4.3 “stocks” (steals + blocks) per 100 possessions — more than Brook Lopez or Giannis Antetokounmpo and the fifth-highest figure in the league among non-centers if he played enough minutes to qualify for the leaderboard. (The four guys ahead of him are all certified killers on defense, too: Dyson Daniels, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jaren Jackson Jr. and the first cut off my “Some Dudes” list, Sacramento’s Keon Ellis.)
Watch in the clip below as Rollins makes a stand against the Orlando Magic’s Paolo Banchero on a peel switch, gets his shot on the way up (this was scored as a block) and wins possession for the Bucks:
It’s been a bumpy road to this point for Rollins, who is on his third team in three years after dominating the mid-major Mid-American Conference as a sophomore and being selected in the second round of the 2022 draft by Golden State, and it’s a small sample so far. He still needs to show he can shoot consistently enough and keep the turnovers low enough to warrant an offensive role. But for a Milwaukee team that is desperate to find inexpensive rotation pieces and has virtually no draft capital, coming up with guys like Rollins (and the undrafted AJ Green) is a potential godsend.
Honestly, nothing special. Just that he’s played a bunch of minutes and done well filling in at PF, especially for a 14th man salary cap saver slot filler signing.
Oh, there was this cool tidbit re: on-off numbers:
The Warriors’ on-off stats with Santos are eye-catching for a role player: plus-7.6 per 100 possessions with a 116.4 offensive rating when he plays, outscored when he sits. That’s happened despite playing 122 of his 293 minutes with the Warriors’ needle-mover, Stephen Curry. Besides, Curry-Santos units have been outscored! It’s the other minutes, with the Golden State second unit, that have been where Santos has made an impact. He’s shooting 41.3 percent from 3 and averaging two assists for every turnover, making up for his limited shot creation and meh defensive impact.
This is going to be an eye-of-the-beholder deal, but unless Steph doesn't want him traded, I could see it. He's 35 and physically breaking down it seems after all of those years battle men much taller and bigger than he is. No shame in that, but he's missed 1/3 of the season already. And his contract is big enough that he might fetch someone worth having.
Trading Draymond from seven years ago would have been nearly unthinkable. Trading him post-Punch, when he is often injured? It is, as they say, a business...
I look at a Dray trade as more of a bad tooth. You can pull it before it abscesses on you, make room for a Post and a lottery implant. Or you can strap in for a 2 1/2 year long root canal and save the tooth for sentimental reasons. I get it, Draymond in a vacuum, in the right room, is an incredibly impactful player, still. But that fact, that truth, does not negate another truth, that Draymond's presence on the team has negative implications as well. I'm all for arguing both sides and I think people on either extreme aren't being honest. Draymond is great. Draymond is also a subtle (and not so subtle) problem on multiple fronts.
I also think that folks on both sides of this issue believe that their choice is based on winning in one form or another. It's been one of the best sports arguments in Bay Area Sports for years and I'm all for it! lol
Some fans are very sure that Draymond's a problem on the team but what's the evidence that it's true this year? We are not in the locker room, we don't know what the other players and the coaches really think. From what we can see, Draymond has behaved much better this season. He's still Draymond of course, he's loud and opinionated, but maybe he has learned some lessons. Draymond IS still a leader on the team, if the young fellas are to be believed. Maybe you save the tooth because if you don't it will create problems with adjacent teeth, not solve them.
On the court, he's still a very good defender and passer, even if he's not as capable as he once was.
His defense doesn't help much if he is physically unable to perform. He only played in 55 games last season and it looks like that's going to be about that this season as well. As you said, the Warriors could have used him last night and he wasn't available.
Sure that's how it is with older players. This isn't prime Draymond, no question. Dray has chronic back problems, and as Sleepy says, his trade value probably isn't that high. This isn't prime Steph either. Neither of them can consistently deliver they way they used to, though they have games where they still show out. In '22-'23 Steph played 56 games and Dray played 73. Last year it was the other way around. Steph had a close call with his ankle earlier in the year, and he has to take games off this season due to aching knees. We're just lucky he hasn't missed more.
[Charania] The Los Angeles Clippers are trading PJ Tucker, Mo Bamba, a future second-round pick and cash to the Utah Jazz for Drew Eubanks and Patty Mills
He has Wiseman-itis for sure, but he could probably be folded into whatever big trade we make for a protected 2nd-rounder or something. And he's being paid $2.5 mil or something. He'd be a minutes eater playing with a good defender, basically Post-lite.
The only thing I know about Bamba that you might not is that it is a delicious and habit-forming snack that is the equivalent of a cheese puff, but replace the cheese with peanut butter. It is a major addiction in Israel among adults and children alike:
According to my sources, multiple team officials around the league are reporting a fourteen team mega-trade netting the Warriors Zach Lavine, Jimmy Butler, Cam Johnson, Nikola Vucevic, DeAaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, Nikola Jovic not Jokic, Seattle's second round pick in 2044, and either Bojan Bogdanovic or Bogdan Bogdanovic.
The Warriors will be parting ways with Kevon Looney, Gary Payton II, Kyle Anderson, DeAnthony Melton, Lindy Waters, Stephen Curry, Monta Ellis, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green, Moses Moody, and Jonathan Kuminga.
Sources say the only holdups appear to be determining whether DeAnthony Melton is actually still with the Warriors; and which Bogdanovic is which.
Warriors are also considering separate trades for: A.C. Green, A.J. Green, Devin Green, Erick Green, Gerald Green, Jalen Green, JaMychal Green, Javonte Green, Jeff Green, Johnny Green, Josh Green, Ken Green, Kenny Green, Lamar Green, Litterial Green, Mike Green, Rickey Green, Sean Green, Si Green, Sidney Green, Steve Green, Taurean Green, Tommie Green, and Willie Green
Asher, that sounds like some AI summaries I have read recently. But I am disappointed we are not getting the player of my choice Zion Williamson. I also expect we will get obi toppin as indiana wants expiring contracts for him
#HOLDTHELINE no trades! We get Melton back on a reasonable contract. Re-sign Schröder and potentially make a trade for some more wing depth. No one is moving the needle unless we give up Wiggins or Dray.
Would people not have said this about the Wiggins trade in 2020 though? If the Warriors are multiple moves away, how do you get there without making the first move even if it isn't enough by itself?
Also signing up for more of the last few years on purpose seems dreary, this team desperately needs a shake up.
When? He can't play this year. We got him to start with because he was injured last season and was on a "prove it" deal with us. So if we get him back at all, it would be in the summer on another "prove it" deal.
I'm kind of warming up to the idea of a Dray+GPII+Schroeder(to a 3rd team) for LaVine provided the Bulls just want to get out from under his contract and don't want much in the way of draft compensation. The Warriors lose their best non-Wiggins defenders, but Curry, LaVine, Wiggins, Kuminga, and {Post|TJD|Looney} woud have no trouble scoring. The Warriors would still have Podz, Moody, SloMo, Hield, and Waters along with the non starting centers on the bench and should be able to add a couple of pro-rated vet mins (Kevin Knox?). 2 of the contracts are expiring anyway and Draymond is starting to pile up old player injuries. For the Bulls, it is just a salary dump and whatever they can get out of Draymond.
This is the one variant of these trade ideas I'm lukewarm to (rather than opposed to).
Trading Dray isn't the worst idea in the world. We've got such a logjam at the tweener PF position (Dray, Gui, Moody, KA, Kuminga) that moving Dray isn't unthinkable to me. We get younger, more athletic, and if we get Lavine, would really unlock Steph.
We might be worse until we figure out how to play defense without Dray, but we've kind of been doing that for a while (he's missed 1/3 of the season). I'd much rather have Dray move on than Wiggs (just based on health).
We might need to rely more on Spencer in that case because we'll be short on playmaking without both Umlaut and Draymond. And the defense will suffer. But I can see being lukewarm on it. I suspect the Bulls would want at least one decent draft pick with that though.
I am not too bothered with either Butler or LaVine, both will be in their way a significant upgrade over Wiggins. Right now my only fear is nothing happening, but there is too much smoke for that. The next six days will be a thriller.
The only way the Warriors should be solving Miami's Butler problem is if significant draft compensation is coming from Miami to the Warriors. Also it would have to be Dray to Miami, not Wiggins.
Steph Curry on the trade deadline choices ahead for the Warriors: “It’s not for me to make those decisions. I want to win. So whatever it means to do that.”"
"[Windhorst] The Golden State Warriors are considered the team that will most likely win the Jimmy Butler sweepstakes. Phoenix does not currently have the assets to get it done." [not a tweet, Windy said it on TV - source: r/nba clip]
Doesn't mean it's true, but just when I was getting fairly comfortable with the idea of LaVine . . .
Does that mean Riley is desperate/stubborn enough to give us Butler for “the others”? Schroder, Hield, Anderson, Looney, GP2, gets you to $48M. Just need to figure out how to make the money work for filling out the roster…
I don't want Butler's attitude here though. I used to be a Butler fan when he was in Chicago. But he has caused too many headaches for too many teams since.
I don't like the Curry quote, it sounds like a capitulation on Butler.
I also don't want a Wiggs for Butler trade.
Maybe the best case is we get Olynyk back from Toronto (Poetl would be great, but the Raptors would need a lot more) in a (rough outline) Butler GSW- Bruce Brown MIA - Wiggins TOR - salary DET trade.
Man, the doom and gloom here. We are 2 and 1 (incl a win over possibly the best team in the league) over an exhausting four day stretch with our two most talented bigs on the bench. Not ready to blow it up.
Last night stunk but, frankly, what do you expect when your starting center is a rookie with single digit NBA games under his belt? When your starting off-guard can’t hit the broad side of a barn? When your power forward stands 6’2” in shoes? Against Durant and Booker with Beal as 6man? A tired Curry with a Sun draped over him all game will not be enough.
We need a 2 guard who can hit shots and defend the other team’s best guard. Melton could’ve been that guy. DS isn’t. BH isn’t. Cam could be. Not sold on LaVine (esp with what we’d have to give up).
We need rim pressure. A healthy JK would’ve gone a long ways towards wiping the smile off Plumlee’s face. When GP2 had no one but Plumlee between him and the basket, he hesitated before driving because he had no confidence - neither in his shot nor his moves. I have little doubt, in his place, JK would have scored.
We needed better D. I haven’t forgotten that Draymond started the season with an eye towards DPOY and, at least initially, looked like he had a decent shot. That guy is still on our team. He’s getting some mid season rest, much like he got when his back went out in January 2022. The Warriors can’t be great if the defense isn’t great. It’s always been our dirty secret
Let’s get Curry some rest. Let’s get JK healthy. Let’s use Draymond as a center on a lightening fast unit that plays for no more than 20 mins a game. Let’s go get Cam Johnson and move Wiggs to 2 and see what the playoffs look like.
Curry, Wiggins, Kuminga, Johnson, Green
Whose ever left of:
DS, BP, MM, KA, KL
BH, LW, GS, TJD
Blow it all up next year if this doesn’t work.
Can’t forget GP2!
Yeah, need him for good minutes on the opposing best guard to tire him out.
Yes on Cam… makes us markedly better, we’re not hamstrung in terms of making future moves to continue to improve, and to your point (I think), we can reset next year if it doesn’t work. We recoup assets if we want to put him back in a trade for picks/players. Barring major injury, he’s not likely to lose value (compared to depreciating value of say Jimmy).
I'm with you ... we lost to a good team last night, and had a letdown after OKC.
I'm fine with it. As someone in the game thread said, if Buddy got unlocked, it's worth the loss.
Podz looked good, Post looked good, Moody looked great.
Wiggs was poor (they turned him into a volume shooter, and he was not hitting), and Steph was locked up because they didn't get enough scoring elsewhere.
Not the worst loss. I'd really like to see what it would be like with an non-slump Hield and JK and Dray on the floor, but sounds like I might not get my wish.
Arghh! (Pet peeve alert!) I know people use this term this way but it's wrong. It is a train metaphor and being "untracked" is bad while being on track is good. I speculate that it got confused with a wagon metaphor where it is bad to be "in a rut".
While people are generally good at deciphering meaning from confusing usage when there is a lot of context I still maintain that language is much less useful when it is not used precisely, as imprecise language becomes unclear in situations without contextual (usually shared) clues and, thus, we should, as a society work to maintain precision in language for those times when someone doesn't already know what you meant.
Oh, yeah forgot to complain that it's so prevalent it's now found its way into actual dictionaries. As near as I can tell it's used most commonly (almost exclusively, in my experience) when referring to athletic endeavors and most etymologies reference it via horse racing originally. Prior to that dictionaries listed untracked as something like: ". Not tracked; not marked by footsteps. 2. Not followed by the tracks." (The larger American Dictionary of the English Language -1828).
Regardless, if being "on track" is good then why is being untracked also good? It just sounds inconsistent (please don't get me started on flammable/inflammable)
Language is fluid. Meaning and usage change. The original meaning of a phrase or word, while interesting, is less important in practical use than the current meaning, as long as the current meaning is clearly understood.
Ok trade fanatics, here's a few out of the box ideas that work in the machine. I tried to conjure trades that are useful and painful on both sides. Am leaving out the cash/picks parts of these, but I think most of them would require GSW giving up a pick or two. I'm not saying I would want these, just that I think they're fun/provocative ideas.
1.
DEN gets Kuminga, Hield, Anderson, Payton, Waters
GSW gets Porter Jr.
Consolidation trade, Denver gets depth in exchange for a shooter.
2.
DET gets Draymond, GPII, Hield
GSW gets Harris, Hardaway Jr.
Send Dray home to teach Beef Stew how to play Bad Boys defense. Ws get shot creators.
3.
PHX gets Kuminga, Wiggins, GPII, Looney, Waters
GSW gets Booker, Plumlee, Lee
Suns, stuck with Beal, regain financial flexibility. Warriors get a star to carry them as Steph slows down.
Take JK out of 1 and substitute Moody (this would take some cap trickery, with Detroit involved) and add a very heavily (top-20 protected that turns into a future 2nd or 2?) 1st this year?
Who is going anywhere if you don't get to the line? And the low FT% should NOT deter you from getting to the line, because drawing fouls has down stream benefits. Getting into bonus, stopping the game, setting your defense, a few deep breaths for your older guys. And I do believe FT% would improve hand in hand with increased FTA. FTAs are so infrequent on this team they must feel like awkward first dates.
2G% 26th 2GA 19th 2GM 27th and FG% 26th and 3PA 3rd
Our shot profile sucks. No mid-range game. If our shots at the rim were a movie, it would be 'Half-Baked', 'cuz we're smoking them. But like with FTs, I'm not worried about the percentages. Take a 14 footer, take it to the rim. You know that area on the floor that is painted? Yeah, that's called the paint. Go there! Even if you fail, even if you take your date to an Italian Restaurant and find out she's allergic to gluten.
This 'Game Plan' that we have employed since preseason is not a winning game plan. This over-reliance on 3s, this throwing in the towel on the very idea of playing inside, of getting dirty, of stopping the magical 'flow' of the game that seems to be so important to 'he that shall not be named', has really got to stop. Coaches and personalities aside, is anyone on board with this game plan as a concept? "We are gonna have to shoot a lot of 3s, because we aren't any good at anything else." It's not just a game plan. It's a game plan with a resignation. We are so resigned to our limitations in these areas we are not even going to try. We're just gonna do one thing, find Curry and pray.
C'mon, man. You know what you do when you're bad at something? You practice. You keep trying. You grab it by the horns, get knocked down, get back up and grab it by the horns again.
Being ranked where we are in the league in these categories is a choice. It's not who we are. It's just who we have settled on being. And that is a cultural problem.
If you don’t have guys that can score inside you are not going to score inside.
When you have 3 5’s who have no ability to score with there back to the basket and your 4’s have no ability to score on the post that is the fault of roster building.
This of course is magnified when the roster does not have a lot of guys who are good at driving and attacking the rim.
Wiggins has some games where he does a good job and JK can get after it but that doesn’t cut it.
The team just lacks the talent to win consistently.
They have a lot of guys that are pretty good and a Curry past his prime with nagging injuries.
They are at their best when they play like a fired up HS team with a ton of energy and enthusiasm but that comes and goes as well, especially when teams are making their 3’s.
This is all well and good, but it feels like the one guy on the team that sort of, actually, sometimes gets calls at the rim is out right now. Hard to get to the line if nothing ever gets called.
See: Davis, Anthony and his "great block" on TJD which DB waxes poetical about as the replay strangely shows mostly wrist. I feel like this is norm of how the Warriors are called not some some outlier.
Are we REALLY the least defensively disciplined team in the league 5 years running and does Steph really never get mauled in game? (For me the in-game scratches tell a slightly different story than the officiating)
Hollinger’s players to watch in the second half is littered with current and ex-Dubs: GUI, Ty, and Ryan Rollins!
Here’s the one I didn’t expect:
Ryan Rollins, Bucks
Time for a deep cut. … Is this anything? Since the Milwaukee Bucks put two-way Ryan Rollins into their rotation, he’s offered a pretty dramatic upgrade on what has previously passed for the back end of their rotation, especially at the defensive end.
Rollins is averaging 4.3 “stocks” (steals + blocks) per 100 possessions — more than Brook Lopez or Giannis Antetokounmpo and the fifth-highest figure in the league among non-centers if he played enough minutes to qualify for the leaderboard. (The four guys ahead of him are all certified killers on defense, too: Dyson Daniels, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Jaren Jackson Jr. and the first cut off my “Some Dudes” list, Sacramento’s Keon Ellis.)
Watch in the clip below as Rollins makes a stand against the Orlando Magic’s Paolo Banchero on a peel switch, gets his shot on the way up (this was scored as a block) and wins possession for the Bucks:
It’s been a bumpy road to this point for Rollins, who is on his third team in three years after dominating the mid-major Mid-American Conference as a sophomore and being selected in the second round of the 2022 draft by Golden State, and it’s a small sample so far. He still needs to show he can shoot consistently enough and keep the turnovers low enough to warrant an offensive role. But for a Milwaukee team that is desperate to find inexpensive rotation pieces and has virtually no draft capital, coming up with guys like Rollins (and the undrafted AJ Green) is a potential godsend.
What did he say about Gui, besides the other obvious adorableness?
Honestly, nothing special. Just that he’s played a bunch of minutes and done well filling in at PF, especially for a 14th man salary cap saver slot filler signing.
Oh, there was this cool tidbit re: on-off numbers:
The Warriors’ on-off stats with Santos are eye-catching for a role player: plus-7.6 per 100 possessions with a 116.4 offensive rating when he plays, outscored when he sits. That’s happened despite playing 122 of his 293 minutes with the Warriors’ needle-mover, Stephen Curry. Besides, Curry-Santos units have been outscored! It’s the other minutes, with the Golden State second unit, that have been where Santos has made an impact. He’s shooting 41.3 percent from 3 and averaging two assists for every turnover, making up for his limited shot creation and meh defensive impact.
So Curry’s holding Gui back.
KD trash talking Gary Payton Sr.
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Kevin Durant trash talking Gary Payton Sr. "If you up here... I'm at the ceiling" and "if you was my age, you'd be 8th man on the bench."
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ifd53q/kevin_durant_trash_talking_gary_payton_sr_if_you/
A weirdly heartwarming tale of abiding respect between generations, expressed by way of withering insults.
It's an old Sonics thing
I love the trash talk and so do they.
Generational conflict or whatever aside, it would be weird if The Glove was not talking trash.
Not gonna lie, im kinda sad at how many of you suggest trading Draymond in some variation of different trade scenarios.
If they trade Draymond it should be because they are trading Curry and rebuilding. I can't see it making sense otherwise.
This is going to be an eye-of-the-beholder deal, but unless Steph doesn't want him traded, I could see it. He's 35 and physically breaking down it seems after all of those years battle men much taller and bigger than he is. No shame in that, but he's missed 1/3 of the season already. And his contract is big enough that he might fetch someone worth having.
Trading Draymond from seven years ago would have been nearly unthinkable. Trading him post-Punch, when he is often injured? It is, as they say, a business...
If it comes down to trading Wiggs or Draymond to upgrade the team, I’d rather keep Wiggins.
If it comes down to keeping Draymond or Looney AND Kuminga, I’d rather trade Draymond.
I look at a Dray trade as more of a bad tooth. You can pull it before it abscesses on you, make room for a Post and a lottery implant. Or you can strap in for a 2 1/2 year long root canal and save the tooth for sentimental reasons. I get it, Draymond in a vacuum, in the right room, is an incredibly impactful player, still. But that fact, that truth, does not negate another truth, that Draymond's presence on the team has negative implications as well. I'm all for arguing both sides and I think people on either extreme aren't being honest. Draymond is great. Draymond is also a subtle (and not so subtle) problem on multiple fronts.
I also think that folks on both sides of this issue believe that their choice is based on winning in one form or another. It's been one of the best sports arguments in Bay Area Sports for years and I'm all for it! lol
Some fans are very sure that Draymond's a problem on the team but what's the evidence that it's true this year? We are not in the locker room, we don't know what the other players and the coaches really think. From what we can see, Draymond has behaved much better this season. He's still Draymond of course, he's loud and opinionated, but maybe he has learned some lessons. Draymond IS still a leader on the team, if the young fellas are to be believed. Maybe you save the tooth because if you don't it will create problems with adjacent teeth, not solve them.
On the court, he's still a very good defender and passer, even if he's not as capable as he once was.
It’s not that I want to just throw him overboard, I just want to keep Wiggins more.
Same here. We need his defense, which was very much needed last night.
His defense doesn't help much if he is physically unable to perform. He only played in 55 games last season and it looks like that's going to be about that this season as well. As you said, the Warriors could have used him last night and he wasn't available.
It's this plus the fact that we're losing our best wing defender or a lot of important depth.
I think if we lose Draymond, our ceiling is maybe second round of playoffs. We need his defense.
On the other hand, if we keep Dray, we probably don't even make the playoffs unless Dray stays healthy *and* the incoming trade works out.
Sure that's how it is with older players. This isn't prime Draymond, no question. Dray has chronic back problems, and as Sleepy says, his trade value probably isn't that high. This isn't prime Steph either. Neither of them can consistently deliver they way they used to, though they have games where they still show out. In '22-'23 Steph played 56 games and Dray played 73. Last year it was the other way around. Steph had a close call with his ankle earlier in the year, and he has to take games off this season due to aching knees. We're just lucky he hasn't missed more.
I know he won't be traded. And I think people are seriously underestimating Draymond's trade deadline value.
I hope you’re right, but who do you think is clamoring for 35 y.o. Dray with his balky back, specific, ball-dominant skillset, and prickly personally?
Lol...Intuitively obvious whoever it that is ''clamoring'' for 35y/o DRAY, does not read, or, is ignoring your comments in here, Sleepy. lol
Warriors over/under 42.5 wins...what are you taking? I think mild over, 44-38. But there is Steph injury risk too...
Assuming JK returns after the ASB and the team stays healthy, over.
Wait. If yesterday was the OFFICIAL Jimmy Butler Bowl and we lost.. that means Phoenix has to take him. Thems the rules.
Out on Butler, out on LaVine.
Hopefully we're a part of those trades, but not the centerpiece.
Make a consolidation trade or something like the Wiggins trade: Buy low on young talent, free up salary and rotation spots. Under the radar.
Mike D's hopefully got eyes on dudes that ain't all hyped up in the press.
That loud sound yall just heard was the State of Utah letting out a collective cry at losing one of their 11 white dudes on the roster
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[Charania] The Los Angeles Clippers are trading PJ Tucker, Mo Bamba, a future second-round pick and cash to the Utah Jazz for Drew Eubanks and Patty Mills
The first raindrops preceding the storm
Am I the only one that would give Mo Bamba a chance for what's probably a very small price?
When we drafted Wiseman thats who I compared him to.
He has Wiseman-itis for sure, but he could probably be folded into whatever big trade we make for a protected 2nd-rounder or something. And he's being paid $2.5 mil or something. He'd be a minutes eater playing with a good defender, basically Post-lite.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement, is it?
Some really old names there. Tucker is 39, Patty Mills 36.
Tucker's been sitting at home, cooling his heels, since he doesn't want to play for the Clips. Eubanks is a pretty decent pickup for the Clips.
Don't know much about Bamba, so I don't really have a clue who won this trade.
Read that this trade was to get the Clips some flexibility for the buyout market
Yo no soy marinero
Yo no soy marinero, no soy capitán Klay
Mo, Mo Bamba
The only thing I know about Bamba that you might not is that it is a delicious and habit-forming snack that is the equivalent of a cheese puff, but replace the cheese with peanut butter. It is a major addiction in Israel among adults and children alike:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamba_(snack)
According to my sources, multiple team officials around the league are reporting a fourteen team mega-trade netting the Warriors Zach Lavine, Jimmy Butler, Cam Johnson, Nikola Vucevic, DeAaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, Nikola Jovic not Jokic, Seattle's second round pick in 2044, and either Bojan Bogdanovic or Bogdan Bogdanovic.
The Warriors will be parting ways with Kevon Looney, Gary Payton II, Kyle Anderson, DeAnthony Melton, Lindy Waters, Stephen Curry, Monta Ellis, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond Green, Moses Moody, and Jonathan Kuminga.
Sources say the only holdups appear to be determining whether DeAnthony Melton is actually still with the Warriors; and which Bogdanovic is which.
Warriors are also considering separate trades for: A.C. Green, A.J. Green, Devin Green, Erick Green, Gerald Green, Jalen Green, JaMychal Green, Javonte Green, Jeff Green, Johnny Green, Josh Green, Ken Green, Kenny Green, Lamar Green, Litterial Green, Mike Green, Rickey Green, Sean Green, Si Green, Sidney Green, Steve Green, Taurean Green, Tommie Green, and Willie Green
We don't get Al Green? The man would bring so much soul to the team.
Unfortunately, with the payroll that represents, the Warriors would be in the red.
Former SeaDub Vander Blue will balance it out
Asher, that sounds like some AI summaries I have read recently. But I am disappointed we are not getting the player of my choice Zion Williamson. I also expect we will get obi toppin as indiana wants expiring contracts for him
Zion Williamson? Don't make this trade sound ridiculous.
#HOLDTHELINE no trades! We get Melton back on a reasonable contract. Re-sign Schröder and potentially make a trade for some more wing depth. No one is moving the needle unless we give up Wiggins or Dray.
> No one is moving the needle
Would people not have said this about the Wiggins trade in 2020 though? If the Warriors are multiple moves away, how do you get there without making the first move even if it isn't enough by itself?
Also signing up for more of the last few years on purpose seems dreary, this team desperately needs a shake up.
I do like the part where we get Melton back.
When? He can't play this year. We got him to start with because he was injured last season and was on a "prove it" deal with us. So if we get him back at all, it would be in the summer on another "prove it" deal.
JZ- Schroder can be good but isn't .5 and costs us momentum. I say use his expiring
I'm kind of warming up to the idea of a Dray+GPII+Schroeder(to a 3rd team) for LaVine provided the Bulls just want to get out from under his contract and don't want much in the way of draft compensation. The Warriors lose their best non-Wiggins defenders, but Curry, LaVine, Wiggins, Kuminga, and {Post|TJD|Looney} woud have no trouble scoring. The Warriors would still have Podz, Moody, SloMo, Hield, and Waters along with the non starting centers on the bench and should be able to add a couple of pro-rated vet mins (Kevin Knox?). 2 of the contracts are expiring anyway and Draymond is starting to pile up old player injuries. For the Bulls, it is just a salary dump and whatever they can get out of Draymond.
This is the one variant of these trade ideas I'm lukewarm to (rather than opposed to).
Trading Dray isn't the worst idea in the world. We've got such a logjam at the tweener PF position (Dray, Gui, Moody, KA, Kuminga) that moving Dray isn't unthinkable to me. We get younger, more athletic, and if we get Lavine, would really unlock Steph.
We might be worse until we figure out how to play defense without Dray, but we've kind of been doing that for a while (he's missed 1/3 of the season). I'd much rather have Dray move on than Wiggs (just based on health).
We might need to rely more on Spencer in that case because we'll be short on playmaking without both Umlaut and Draymond. And the defense will suffer. But I can see being lukewarm on it. I suspect the Bulls would want at least one decent draft pick with that though.
I am not too bothered with either Butler or LaVine, both will be in their way a significant upgrade over Wiggins. Right now my only fear is nothing happening, but there is too much smoke for that. The next six days will be a thriller.
The only way the Warriors should be solving Miami's Butler problem is if significant draft compensation is coming from Miami to the Warriors. Also it would have to be Dray to Miami, not Wiggins.
"Anthony Slater @anthonyVslater
Steph Curry on the trade deadline choices ahead for the Warriors: “It’s not for me to make those decisions. I want to win. So whatever it means to do that.”"
"[Windhorst] The Golden State Warriors are considered the team that will most likely win the Jimmy Butler sweepstakes. Phoenix does not currently have the assets to get it done." [not a tweet, Windy said it on TV - source: r/nba clip]
Doesn't mean it's true, but just when I was getting fairly comfortable with the idea of LaVine . . .
Ugh. Who knows, but I can't say I'd be excited to have Butler here.
Interpreted as: Miami moving on from PHX.
Does that mean Riley is desperate/stubborn enough to give us Butler for “the others”? Schroder, Hield, Anderson, Looney, GP2, gets you to $48M. Just need to figure out how to make the money work for filling out the roster…
Or the Warriors trying to lower the price on LaVine
We'd have to match the salary.
I don't want Butler's attitude here though. I used to be a Butler fan when he was in Chicago. But he has caused too many headaches for too many teams since.
It’s all 4D chess here, for sure
Please no.
I don't like the Curry quote, it sounds like a capitulation on Butler.
I also don't want a Wiggs for Butler trade.
Maybe the best case is we get Olynyk back from Toronto (Poetl would be great, but the Raptors would need a lot more) in a (rough outline) Butler GSW- Bruce Brown MIA - Wiggins TOR - salary DET trade.
Man, the doom and gloom here. We are 2 and 1 (incl a win over possibly the best team in the league) over an exhausting four day stretch with our two most talented bigs on the bench. Not ready to blow it up.
Last night stunk but, frankly, what do you expect when your starting center is a rookie with single digit NBA games under his belt? When your starting off-guard can’t hit the broad side of a barn? When your power forward stands 6’2” in shoes? Against Durant and Booker with Beal as 6man? A tired Curry with a Sun draped over him all game will not be enough.
We need a 2 guard who can hit shots and defend the other team’s best guard. Melton could’ve been that guy. DS isn’t. BH isn’t. Cam could be. Not sold on LaVine (esp with what we’d have to give up).
We need rim pressure. A healthy JK would’ve gone a long ways towards wiping the smile off Plumlee’s face. When GP2 had no one but Plumlee between him and the basket, he hesitated before driving because he had no confidence - neither in his shot nor his moves. I have little doubt, in his place, JK would have scored.
We needed better D. I haven’t forgotten that Draymond started the season with an eye towards DPOY and, at least initially, looked like he had a decent shot. That guy is still on our team. He’s getting some mid season rest, much like he got when his back went out in January 2022. The Warriors can’t be great if the defense isn’t great. It’s always been our dirty secret
Let’s get Curry some rest. Let’s get JK healthy. Let’s use Draymond as a center on a lightening fast unit that plays for no more than 20 mins a game. Let’s go get Cam Johnson and move Wiggs to 2 and see what the playoffs look like.
Curry, Wiggins, Kuminga, Johnson, Green
Whose ever left of:
DS, BP, MM, KA, KL
BH, LW, GS, TJD
Blow it all up next year if this doesn’t work.
Can’t forget GP2!
Yeah, need him for good minutes on the opposing best guard to tire him out.
Not to start at the 4.
Yes on Cam… makes us markedly better, we’re not hamstrung in terms of making future moves to continue to improve, and to your point (I think), we can reset next year if it doesn’t work. We recoup assets if we want to put him back in a trade for picks/players. Barring major injury, he’s not likely to lose value (compared to depreciating value of say Jimmy).
I'm with you ... we lost to a good team last night, and had a letdown after OKC.
I'm fine with it. As someone in the game thread said, if Buddy got unlocked, it's worth the loss.
Podz looked good, Post looked good, Moody looked great.
Wiggs was poor (they turned him into a volume shooter, and he was not hitting), and Steph was locked up because they didn't get enough scoring elsewhere.
Not the worst loss. I'd really like to see what it would be like with an non-slump Hield and JK and Dray on the floor, but sounds like I might not get my wish.
> untracked
Arghh! (Pet peeve alert!) I know people use this term this way but it's wrong. It is a train metaphor and being "untracked" is bad while being on track is good. I speculate that it got confused with a wagon metaphor where it is bad to be "in a rut".
While people are generally good at deciphering meaning from confusing usage when there is a lot of context I still maintain that language is much less useful when it is not used precisely, as imprecise language becomes unclear in situations without contextual (usually shared) clues and, thus, we should, as a society work to maintain precision in language for those times when someone doesn't already know what you meant.
Hmm. not only do people use it this way, the meaning I used it for is what is in the dictionaries I've checked.
I have rephrased though.
Oh, yeah forgot to complain that it's so prevalent it's now found its way into actual dictionaries. As near as I can tell it's used most commonly (almost exclusively, in my experience) when referring to athletic endeavors and most etymologies reference it via horse racing originally. Prior to that dictionaries listed untracked as something like: ". Not tracked; not marked by footsteps. 2. Not followed by the tracks." (The larger American Dictionary of the English Language -1828).
Regardless, if being "on track" is good then why is being untracked also good? It just sounds inconsistent (please don't get me started on flammable/inflammable)
Language is fluid. Meaning and usage change. The original meaning of a phrase or word, while interesting, is less important in practical use than the current meaning, as long as the current meaning is clearly understood.
I know that.
I just don't care, (Also, get off my lawn)
TBF, we got plenty of rim pressure… just in the form of missed dunks and layups that clanged off the rim.
Ok trade fanatics, here's a few out of the box ideas that work in the machine. I tried to conjure trades that are useful and painful on both sides. Am leaving out the cash/picks parts of these, but I think most of them would require GSW giving up a pick or two. I'm not saying I would want these, just that I think they're fun/provocative ideas.
1.
DEN gets Kuminga, Hield, Anderson, Payton, Waters
GSW gets Porter Jr.
Consolidation trade, Denver gets depth in exchange for a shooter.
2.
DET gets Draymond, GPII, Hield
GSW gets Harris, Hardaway Jr.
Send Dray home to teach Beef Stew how to play Bad Boys defense. Ws get shot creators.
3.
PHX gets Kuminga, Wiggins, GPII, Looney, Waters
GSW gets Booker, Plumlee, Lee
Suns, stuck with Beal, regain financial flexibility. Warriors get a star to carry them as Steph slows down.
Take JK out of 1 and substitute Moody (this would take some cap trickery, with Detroit involved) and add a very heavily (top-20 protected that turns into a future 2nd or 2?) 1st this year?
3 would be fine, but there's as much chance of me suiting up for the Dubs as the Suns agreeing to it. 1 and 2 would make us worse, IMHO.
Big no on #2; possibly yes on #1 and #3, but I don’t see either of the other teams agreeing to it.
37% shooting as a team lmao. Wow.
Moody & Podz 10/19, rest of team 26/77 (34%). Ouch
Is that just at the rim?
Dubs place in league
FT% 30th FTA 28th FTM 30th
Who is going anywhere if you don't get to the line? And the low FT% should NOT deter you from getting to the line, because drawing fouls has down stream benefits. Getting into bonus, stopping the game, setting your defense, a few deep breaths for your older guys. And I do believe FT% would improve hand in hand with increased FTA. FTAs are so infrequent on this team they must feel like awkward first dates.
2G% 26th 2GA 19th 2GM 27th and FG% 26th and 3PA 3rd
Our shot profile sucks. No mid-range game. If our shots at the rim were a movie, it would be 'Half-Baked', 'cuz we're smoking them. But like with FTs, I'm not worried about the percentages. Take a 14 footer, take it to the rim. You know that area on the floor that is painted? Yeah, that's called the paint. Go there! Even if you fail, even if you take your date to an Italian Restaurant and find out she's allergic to gluten.
This 'Game Plan' that we have employed since preseason is not a winning game plan. This over-reliance on 3s, this throwing in the towel on the very idea of playing inside, of getting dirty, of stopping the magical 'flow' of the game that seems to be so important to 'he that shall not be named', has really got to stop. Coaches and personalities aside, is anyone on board with this game plan as a concept? "We are gonna have to shoot a lot of 3s, because we aren't any good at anything else." It's not just a game plan. It's a game plan with a resignation. We are so resigned to our limitations in these areas we are not even going to try. We're just gonna do one thing, find Curry and pray.
C'mon, man. You know what you do when you're bad at something? You practice. You keep trying. You grab it by the horns, get knocked down, get back up and grab it by the horns again.
Being ranked where we are in the league in these categories is a choice. It's not who we are. It's just who we have settled on being. And that is a cultural problem.
"Who is going anywhere if you don't get to the line?"
Dubs were 26th in FTA and FTM and 17th in FT% in '21-22.
You mean the miracle year? You're right. Not that good then. But I still stand by my point. Cheers for hitting back with a real stat! ;-))
If you don’t have guys that can score inside you are not going to score inside.
When you have 3 5’s who have no ability to score with there back to the basket and your 4’s have no ability to score on the post that is the fault of roster building.
This of course is magnified when the roster does not have a lot of guys who are good at driving and attacking the rim.
Wiggins has some games where he does a good job and JK can get after it but that doesn’t cut it.
The team just lacks the talent to win consistently.
They have a lot of guys that are pretty good and a Curry past his prime with nagging injuries.
They are at their best when they play like a fired up HS team with a ton of energy and enthusiasm but that comes and goes as well, especially when teams are making their 3’s.
This is all well and good, but it feels like the one guy on the team that sort of, actually, sometimes gets calls at the rim is out right now. Hard to get to the line if nothing ever gets called.
See: Davis, Anthony and his "great block" on TJD which DB waxes poetical about as the replay strangely shows mostly wrist. I feel like this is norm of how the Warriors are called not some some outlier.
Are we REALLY the least defensively disciplined team in the league 5 years running and does Steph really never get mauled in game? (For me the in-game scratches tell a slightly different story than the officiating)
What would the reason be for the league to have a conspiracy against the Warriors?
Curry has been officiated this way his entire career, pre titles, during titles and post titles.