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couple dangerous plays by Indiana defenders on that play

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sick reverse. damn.

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oh my lord, Steph!

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Could be a rough game for Curry if there is no offball ref lol

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Why is Looney trying to score on Turner? He can barely score on G-Leaguers.

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Just scored on him

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Screen and roll, that's great. Don't iso.

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The advantage creator on that play was Poole and Loon finished the play. That's good. The problem is when Looney tries to be the advantage creator himself (which is thankfully super rare but is still a wasted possession whenever he does it offensively).

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through his chest!

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Wait... the game is on already? I thought it was 4:30 Pacific...

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yeah, I'm shook. Not sure what's going on

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Refs will be giving Sabonis generous calls tonight

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Dec 13, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Curry does not get foul calls (2021 edition):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsVf7D4d2J8

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Somewhat OT: I hate SVG and MJ. During replays of Danny Green trying to end Poole's career, I had to listen to those two suggest that it should have been an offensive foul on Poole for warding off with his off arm. Funny how I only hear this when it's a Warriors player, and never when it's a player like LeBron, KD, or like every single other player going up for a layup/dunk ever. Sigh. Never change guys... never change.

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Wish I could rec this more times

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Watching Curry go to the line near the end of a second quarter to shoot his first free throws always blows my mind, apparently not the Commissioners’

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Thinking Basketball: Is this the best defense ever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbNS09Rt4u8

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Hi Abaddon, is there a game thread? Can’t find it…

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Janet, it's up: https://dubnationhq.com/p/game-thread-is-tonight-the-afternoon

Game started a half hour before I thought

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I've been saying for many years now that Curry is the most disrespected superstar in the league, and maybe ever. Given that he still doesn't get basic calls for obvious fouls against him, I hope he employs the following tactics. Unfortunately, these only apply to when he shoots. He gets fouled a ton off the ball as well and the refs don't call it, but there's not much else he can do about that that he's not already doing. But something has to change. The amount of illegal punishment Curry takes is already taking its toll on him and we're barely a quarter of the way into the season.

Feel free to add your suggestions.

* Stop fading away/falling backward on 3s to avoid contact from the incoming defender. If the defender doesn't stop and enters his landing space, Curry should maintain his position and force the refs to make a call.

* When Curry does jump straight up on a 3 and the defender comes into his landing space, Curry should come down all elbows and knees onto the defender. If the refs call a foul on Curry, they'll have to justify why they didn't call a foul on the defender for not allowing Curry a place to land in the first place. This will also make defenders think twice about their cheap tactics.

* After a shot, Curry often moves his arms out of the way to avoid contact from the defender (presumably to avoid injury). But if he repeatedly and obviously is getting hacked after shooting, then the league will have to acknowledge that defenders are (intentionally) targetting Steph's shooting arm in order to gain an advantage.

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Unfortunately, “something has to change” would now have to come at the end of his career, the Raptors took the fouling to a whole new level, and under the bright lights of an NBA Final with the sports world watching and most of our roster decimated, I really don’t think there is anything to hope for except perhaps some refs “sympathy for the old vet” calls as Curry goes grey

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I hear what you're saying but I certainly hope Curry and the Dubs aren't resigned to the status quo. I would wager they're lobbying the league behind the scenes, sending video montages and such, at the very least. Also, the league has a vested interest in ensuring Curry doesn't get injured. He's the biggest single draw in the NBA and maybe all of American professional sports.

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Despite current sports pundits positing other players, Curry is the face of the NBA.

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> After a shot, Curry often moves his arms out of the way to avoid contact from the defender

Actually he gets swatted A LOT. And apparently that's completely legal, based on the Sixers challenge in the most recent game. It boggles my mind that it's fine to hit a guy as long as it didn't affect his shot... but that's what they said.

Yeah, honestly, I still don't get it.

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https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/point-of-contact-foul-defender-makes-contact-to-shooters-arm-after-release/

You mean they don't call this for Steph even though it's in the rulebook? Poole got hit very similarly to this last game too.

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"The contact can be incidental" = subjective assessment by the ref. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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That’s actually what I thought I saw, I would have been pissed if say Seth had gotten that call on Dray$

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Every single foul call is subjective. The question is consistency.

Just compare the video they deemed a foul in the video rulebook and compare it to these:

https://videos.nba.com/nba/pbp/media/2021/12/11/0022100396/375/5d19c504-c888-6f3e-dd1b-affb9b980bc9_1280x720.mp4

https://videos.nba.com/nba/pbp/media/2021/12/11/0022100396/533/90ae5de2-1779-aa6c-1dc3-4c6d08fba621_1280x720.mp4

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Yeah... it's hard to be a ref. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Exactly. In light of the play in question during the Philly game, this exemplifies how often Curry doesn't get basic calls.

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Right, he does get swatted a lot. But he also often moves his arms out of the way when defenders are flying by. I think he needs to do everything possible to make it even more blatantly obvious how often he gets fouled. Something has to change.

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(I'm having "hot stove" flashbacks)

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Dec 13, 2021Liked by punk basketball

https://twitter.com/JoeVirayNBA/status/1470232521191297027

> The Warriors over the last 6 games (starting from the first PHX game):

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> ORTG: 108.2 (26th over that period)

> DRTG: 101.5 (3rd)

> NETRTG: 6.7 (5th)

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Curry was already in a dip, then chasing that record has gummed up the offense.

Perfect timing for Klay to come back!

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Never not true: >Perfect timing for Klay to come back!

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It's also crazy we're still 5th overall with the 26th offense haha...

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Dec 13, 2021Liked by punk basketball

From The Athletic's latest power ranking - in regards to GSW:

Clutch: -0.2 net rating | Ranked 13th | 10 games (6-4)

Hopefully this changes once Andre is back in rhythm and game shape. And we also have a guy named Klay coming back 🙂

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And this is Suns' 😠

Clutch: +53.3 net rating | Ranked 1st | 12 games (11-1)

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So they're due for some regression to the mean, got it.

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Definitely should be some regression but I do think the difference is also related to the styles of play. CP3 forces the Suns to run an extremely low turnover pick and roll style of play that generates a quality look. Kerr has the Warriors running a high turnover motion system to drill it into their heads in the regular season. Also, there are probably fewer transition opportunities at the end of games (perhaps even just because the Warriors are more tired by then) and transition is what fuels the Warrior offense.

As we saw in 2019 WCSF Game 6, when crunch time really hits Kerr will scrap the motion offense and turn to the Curry/Draymond pick and roll and the Warrior clutch rating will skyrocket.

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Independent of comparisons, there's a large swath between +53 net rating and "really good". If Suns continue to perform at +53 net rating in clutch moments into the playoffs, they're going to be 16-0 in the games that matter, regardless of whether they play "low turnover" style or whatever.

I think they've got a great team, and also got some bounces of the ball their way in the SSS.

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And yeah, I know this is a boring take.

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Lol. Let's hope so.

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Dec 13, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Mostly everyone is kinda assuming that Wiseman will come back sometime next year and run away as the center we’re all hoping he’ll be. But nobody knows, right? We’re taking a big gamble on him. And what if he doesn’t deliver (under all the pressure and expectations) or, heaven forbid, gets injured again? Who will be the backup center? And I think we need a true center. Kuminga is an unknown factor too and he’s not getting enough playing time for us to see how effective and consistent he can play against non-GLeague players. I don’t think we have the luxury of waiting 2 years for the three young players to develop if we want to win a championship this season. As great as Steph and Green are, age is catching up on them. We also don’t know how much of the original Klay we will be getting back. I don’t know what the answer is, ie, trade or no trade, especially since we are so handicapped salary-wise.

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> Mostly everyone is kinda assuming that Wiseman will come back sometime next year and run away as the center we’re all hoping he’ll be.

I am certainly not assuming this. We just saw how bad JJJ looked coming off the meniscus injury to end last season, Wiseman could easily be just as impacted. And even if there is no impact from the injury, Wiseman still has to improve a ton from where he was last season to be a winning NBA center.

The "win now and develop now" plan relies on Poole and Wiseman being championship level contributors this season because they don't have the roster spots to go get vets for those roles. So far so good with Poole at least, but the Warriors need a starting center and it probably isn't fair to Wiseman to expect that from him. Hopefully Looney can stay healthy all season but that feels like it is asking for a lot, and even then he's more of a quality backup than a quality starter. So I'm definitely not comfortable with the situation, personally.

But you never know, maybe Wiseman will improve a ton and all of their problems will be solved and they'll cruise to a title.

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And JJJ had a significantly better rookie year than Wiseman did (and also had the good fortune of playing in college for a year which Wiseman obviously did not have, though I think the correlation between playing time and development is far less linear than most would have you believe).

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I totally agree with all this. Except Im absolutely fine with them holding onto Wiseman with his current limitations and seeing what he develops into. I think our squad can hold up against anyone over 7, would be useful to have Wise plays some mins in the post season if only to throw different looks at the opponent.

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I'd also note that I assume the Warriors would have added another big in free agency had they realized that Wiseman's injury would keep him out until at least January. I don't know if that would have been the right call given what a revelation GP2 has been, but I do not get the sense that they anticipated this.

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OPJ and Bjelica are the bigs they picked up. Plus Iggy as the 4.

We can also play JTA and Kuminga at the 4/5. Obviously we also have Draymond and Looney. We're not lacking bigs, we're lacking traditional bigs which is not nearly the same problem.

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Yeah, Wiseman is a huge question mark and quite the predicament for this season. There's no telling how well he'll come back from injury, how much his progress has been delayed, is he injury prone?, how well he'll play/fit this season, and who he'll even be as a player at his peak. That's a boatload of uncertainty to be banking Curry's finals years on. For those reasons, I'm hesitantly amenable to the proposed trade for Indy's Miles Turner. He's what the Warriors need now in order to significantly increase their chances of winning a Chip this season and the ones that follow. On the other hand, Wiseman's potential is immense (even though Evan Mobley is who the Dubs wish Wiseman was last year). Also, I think I read it would be near impossible for the Dubs to bring on Turner's contract without giving up another core piece of the team, like Wiggs. Plus they might have to give up another young player for Indy to bite. If so, bringing Turner in would largely be a lateral move.

So yeah, this is quite the predicament. But it also makes things more intriguing as a fan.

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We fans are not in the building. The coaches have first hand knowledge of both what they're asking the players to do on & off the court and how they're performing to those expectations. They know much more than we do, and the FO will listen to them.

Maybe Wiseman is in film study correctly calling out the rotations that Looney & Bjelica missed. Maybe he and Kuminga are missing meetings and on twitter when they're physically present. Maybe Wise has noticeably improved his "in practice, not in game" shot mechanics and results (i.e. made shots/FTs). The coaching staff has seen him almost every day since he injured himself, including his approach working through his rehab, while we have seen zero. There's plenty for them to evaluate as improving or not improving, and virtually nothing for us to see.

We're 21-5 and in contention. It's going to be ok... all signs from the building are that Wise, Kuminga, and Moody are worth more to them than any of the available trade candidates, which is a good sign. Even if the FO does want to make a move now and is just hiding that intention, there's still 2m till the trade deadline, and probably some teams getting more desperate with expiring assets closer to the deadline.

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According to the Pacers schedule, this is the last game of their 6-game homestand. They've recently beat the Wizards, the Knicks, and the Mavericks and are on a three-game win streak. Before that, they were on a four-game losing streak (lost to the Bucks, T-Wolves, Hawks, and Heat).

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How reliable a source is the Pacers schedule, though? Pix or it didn’t happen! :-)

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Dec 13, 2021Liked by punk basketball

It's tough, evaluating the future, which is a bit what the GM job is. I remember confidently predicting that Smailagic was the future of the Dubs. Sigh. Poor guy, not sure what happened there, but it seems like the potential has stalled out. I also thought McCaw would turn into someone sort of like Wiggins is now. Nope, not yet. So although I've had on my mind and have discussed on this site the shortcomings at center that this article addresses, I am aware that it's easier to identify a flaw (Looney, please hit a jump shot, Wiseman please be healthy and play great defense) than to figure out a workable plan to fix it that doesn't make things worse. I do think that the league has more than the article's "two or three big bigs" on good teams who can "meaningfully punish" the Dubs down low. I'd count Jokic, Embiid, Ayton, Giannis, Zubac, Gobert, and a few more depending on the precise definition. They all have flaws of course, (maybe not Giannis yikes)but those are all teams we really hope to beat. It's an interesting era for bigs because for a few years there it almost seemed like the league had moved past the concept and certainly they weren't dominating.

My other quibble with the article: > "Kuminga .... may be ready to contribute in the near term"

Isn't that a bit optimistic? (I see the "may" .) The challenge with Kuminga is inconsistency, I'd guess most of us agree. When he plays well it's like: hey keep that guy out there, he's dynamic! But can Kerr risk putting him out there in key situations and get the lesser half of Kuminga, a super-raw kid who might make mistakes at crucial moments?

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> My other quibble with the article: > "Kuminga .... may be ready to contribute in the near term"...Isn't that a bit optimistic? (I see the "may" .) The challenge with Kuminga is inconsistency, I'd guess most of us agree.

I'm ultra aware of uncertainty, so yeah, the "may" is carrying a lot of work there. But even so, how much more disastrous would 10 minutes of Kuminga over someone like Chiozza be? Especially against the long, athletic teams, I'd be real willing to see Kuminga try a short stretch here and there.

But really, it sounds like you're still in disagreement that the team can survive without a big big. We'll just have to see. Personally, I'm willing to ride with what's been working. You can't be strong in every area and I'm cool with the high IQ bench over a random big dude. Also, I think Looney is doing better than it looks. Idk that his body holds up, but you can say that about anyone - Otto, Andre, and Dray, etc.

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> Also, I think Looney is doing better than it looks. Idk that his body holds up, but you can say that about anyone - Otto, Andre, and Dray, etc.

You'd be less likely to say it about those guys if they had a Zaza type eating minutes at center though, imo.

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A limited, but competent big body to eat ~15mpg? I am optimistic Wise can approach this.

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I don’t think this is remotely close to the Dubs current #1 concern. The issue, plainly, is offense right now. Not defending a big 5. The likely solution is Klay Thompson (or at least more perimeter scoring), not a big.

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"figure out a workable plan to fix it that doesn't make things worse." Man, there is a lot of that 'worse' stuff floating around. Common as covid (thankfully less lethal.)

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Correction: Giannis is a unicorn, he does not belong on a list of "big bigs". Try asking one of those "big bigs" to be primary defender against Giannis for 32 minutes and see how that goes...

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Dec 13, 2021Liked by punk basketball

The hell I don't! Listen kid, I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I am out there busting my buns every night! Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!

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Roger Roger

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LOL

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Yeah, fusho. try asking ANYONE EVER to be primary defender on Giannis. I guess the Golden Era guys like Bill Russell Kareem Olajuwon But no one these days. He’s my MVG (Most Valuable Antetekounmpo) in the league right now

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I think KG would be best historical matchup.

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