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Sep 26, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Rolling Stone article on NBA ant-vaxer player. Nothing new but this, if true, is so out there.

"Irving, who serves as a vice president on the executive committee of the players’ union, recently started following and liking Instagram posts from a conspiracy theorist who claims that “secret societies” are implanting vaccines in a plot to connect Black people to a master computer for “a plan of Satan."

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEE3bNE5QkFjsCf5-YGLDIxoqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow9MSGCzCKpYQDMKGt7wY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

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Really hammers home how this situation is the nexus of so many bad decisions over the years.

Broken trust is so hard to earn back, it's all too understandable how black people more than anyone else are apprehensive about the vaccine. Which is piling tragedy on top of tragedy at this point.

Plus you have out of control "engagement"-driven social media being exacerbated by fraudsters and foreign agents. Both on left and right (but definitely more crazy on the right) people are hostile and radicalized by their online echo chambers.

An idea that really stuck with me is, "If you want to stamp out conspiracy theories, first stamp out the conspiracies." With factual occurrences including the Tuskegee experiment, tobacco industry cover-ups, Exxon's global warming cover-ups, inhumane price hikes on life-saving drugs, and all kinds of unsavory data mining being used against ordinary people, "too big to fail" bailouts, heck, the entire bullshit rationale for the Iraq War... is it really all that surprising that people believe in so many other conspiracy theories? The fabric of our society has been worn real thin by a long history of abuse of power, and I've only brought up the recent stuff. So it's sad, but makes sense, that some people have been pushed over the edge and can no longer be reached by reason, science, or common decency.

Sorry for the depressing rant, but I just... this situation is frustrating on so many levels, but watching someone like Wiggins who obviously means well forging ahead on a path that endangers himself, his teammates, fans, and more, is just so tragic.

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Just stop thinking about all this shit. Wanting things to be one way or another is the real problem. All points of view trap you in a web of thought. Let Wiggins take care of Wiggins. He's not your problem. Be Happy!

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Ugh the logical fallacies are driving me crazy.

Sometimes I wonder, is it possible to start a betting pool on average Covid outcomes over a year? Eg Abbott betting against Newsom on who can have better covid outcomes. None of this short term stuff. Long term bet. The reality though is that probably no anti-vaxxer or covid denier will take this bet. At the end of the day the reason they’re doing what they’re doing is not because they think what they’re doing is safer, but because they judge that maintaining their quality of life outweighs any covid risk.

Even in a complete 100% unvaccinated covid-denying city, conservatively only 1-2% people will die (in reality much more because of hospital overflow… but perhaps also mitigated with these antiviral drugs in the pipeline). Got to give it to many Americans, not afraid to die.

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Sep 26, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Well that was depressing

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Sep 26, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Also Kareem is a fucking boss.

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Absolutely. His messaging is on point.

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The issue of Jordan Bell’s knuckleheadedness brings to mind one of the many reasons I’m excited about Kuminga and Moody, who both appear to be mature beyond their years. It seems to me like you can be a knucklehead and be successful, but it’s quite a needle to thread.

It’s always seemed so crazy that NBA franchises depend so heavily on being able to determine how teenagers are going to perform under pressure, on and off the court. When I think about who I was at 19 and how I would have handled it….oh man.

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So what is the ledger of Bell's knuckleheadedness? I remember 2 things:

- charging a candle to Mike Browns room as a prank

- getting too drunk at the parade

both of which seem relatively harmless to me, is there something I'm forgetting?

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i think the problem with the first one was that he repeatedly denied it until they showed him he was on camera. story's hilarious to me but in a bell is a dumbass sort of way lol

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ahhh that's pretty stupid :/

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I don't know, if we could trade Wiggins, Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody, Poole and a future 1st for Bradley Beale, couldn't we just sign Mulder, Payton, Thomas, Galloway AND BELL!!!!! #Curry'sPrime LMAO

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Sep 26, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Might as well throw Curry, Dray, and Kerr in and create at least one good team in the deal :D

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SAC gets Simmons,

PHI gets Wiggins, Davion Mitchell,

GSW gets H Barnes & Bagley

Throw in whatever future draft picks needed to make people happy. Simmons, Wiggins, Bagley are all headaches for current teams. Addition by subtraction, each team gets to wave bye-bye to a problem. No one can argue that the talent trade for all teams is at least in the neighborhood. Perfect scenario, PHI meets GSW in finals. Wiggins can't play in San Francisco. Simmons is reborn, and SAC misses the playoffs, a match made in Heaven

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visiting un-vaxxed players are allowed to play because... because.

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Probably because sports pundits would decry the competitive advantage, and distract from the goal. It’s a dumb rule because we’re dumb.

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A decent trade. I hope it doesn’t come to this

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From https://sports.yahoo.com/report-warriors-jonathan-kuminga-now-182229935.html:

“The Warriors connected Wiggins and Kuminga with a doctor in Oakland to help them further understand the vaccination and the benefits of getting it versus not getting it. Kuminga listened to the doctor and got the vaccine while Wiggins’ stance has not changed.”

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D^3 - evidence of someone convinced by the science… and one (sadly) not.

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Also Kuminga is probably easier to convince because he hasn't made NBA money yet or established himself in the league. If he's sitting out home games as a rookie by choice Kerr probably won't even let him see the floor at any point this year.

On the other hand looks like Wiggins is willing to drag this show on the road. Time to start making calls I guess because him not playing in half of the games will be detrimental to the team on every level. Such a shame, I thought 2WAYWIGGS would really help this team. Now it seems he's ONHISWAYOUT.

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GOAWAYWIGGS

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Let's not demonize Wiggins for his choice. Most of the league is not playing by SF rules and I have heard somewhere, that in the USA, freedom of choice was a real thing.

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God forbid we criticize people for making stupid choices because they trust a video uploaded to YouTube by TearAss34 over actual doctors and epidemiologists.

Snowflakes, snowflakes everywhere

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You’re free not to criticize Wiggins’ selfishness and ignorance; others are free to do so.

“In the USA freedom of choice is a real thing” is, generously, an ignorant statement in this context, but of course you’re free to make it.

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Now he's selfish? There is always some stupid reason to demonize someone who does not think like you. I think you are more interested in getting your entertainment. It's going to be interesting to see how this works out. They will probably try to 'guilt' him into getting jabbed. Me, I think the Warriors will be fine letting him play half of the time. They've got reinforcements this season to stand in for him and Kerr loves a challenge.

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“I think you are more interested in getting your entertainment.”

Uh, no.

If you think that’s the reason people are disappointed and saddened by Wiggs’ refusal to get vaccinated, that’s … disappointing and sad.

(I mean, Wiggins isn’t even *that* entertaining).

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It seems to me you’re doing demonizing of your own—demonizing calling someone “selfish.” In this thread, starting with sabrina’s post you first responded to, no ones done more than just criticize Wiggins. Yes, not getting vaccinated is selfish, at least if one also isn’t going to isolate themselves from others and the public for as long as they are unvaccinated. The whole point isn’t just about personal health and safety, it’s also about that of others.

But yeah, the extreme to me is calling it “demonizing” when people point that out in criticism of another, and frankly, that kind of backlash to the backlash is what I feel is keeping this pandemic going. People feeling demonized, feeling their freedom of choice is being taken away so they double down on endangering themselves and others and taxing the medical professionals tasked with having to come to their aid and that of those they’e endangered.

My own family has suffered gravely, and I can do some real demonizing, but I’m exhausted. But no, calling someone selfish for not wanting to be vaxxed is not what demonizing is. But if my own “freedom of choice” to live in a world where there’s no current pandemic ravaging lives is being stunted, then I’d reserve the right to fucking “guilt” everyone who does so if I want. But again, I’m exhausted.

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Exhausted to get into back and forths with people at this point too, so if you respond, consider it having the last word, cuz that’s all I got from my end

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Maybe when javale retires as a player then dubs can hire him as a nuklehead player development coach for bell

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@Apricot: :You answered your own question about Bell. He's talented enough, but he's a knucklehead. Given that he's show flashes on court, he must be a HUGE knucklehead to make teams think he's not worth the trouble.

Still, I'm always glad for a guy to get a second chance, and he's older now, so maybe he's matured?

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People are overrating Bell dramatically. He's an athletic 6'8 (with a 7 foot wingspan which isn't anything special) who lacks an offensive skillset and was at best average on defense surrounded by elite defenders on the Warriors.

With a larger player, his lack of offensive skillet might not have been a big deal (the Javale Mcgee role), but his size limits him. He showed some flashes of passing ability, but never really developed it.

Basically, he had an intriguing versatile skillset as a rookie that was never expanded upon and improved. Honestly, I blame the Warriors developmental team for that + his own knucklehead status (the lack of minutes couldn't help).

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Completely off topic but I have a question - I've got a potential bet for this upcoming season that, if Andrew Wiggins gets vaccinated, remains on the team and is able play 65+ games, that hell have a Defensive year close to what he did in 2020-21.

A Wolves fan thinks last year was an anomaly for Andrew and that he will revert back to his Minnesota days defensively.

I have some ideas of my own but wanted to ask you all.....what is the cleanest way, at the end of the season, to judge this?

Defensive Win Shares? Defensive Opp Field Goal Percentage? Do we take the average/median of his Minny stats as a baseline compared to last year with the Dubs?

I know this could be all for nothing if he doesn't get vaccinated, which would mean the bet is off if he doesn't suit up for the Dubs (or gets injured) but would appreciate your input nonetheless!

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Stephen Curry when asked if he's talking to Bob Myers about Ben Simmons' availability: "Let's say, if you're not having those conversations, then you're not trying."

https://twitter.com/thewarriorstalk/status/1441799356324061190?s=21

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Seems like a reasonable group to compete throughout training camp and I feel like any one of them (or maybe none, though I think that's less likely) could qualify for that 15th roster spot.

I like GP2 especially because he's so specialized that you can see Kerr subbing him in for high-leverage quarter-closing defensive possessions. That's already more guaranteed value than other guys in this group.

The other time this 15th roster slot becomes relevant is when you have multiple injuries to the same position, and that's when it feels like we will desperately need another big. Like, imagine if both Looney and Green can't play a game; are you gonna see Wiseman, Bjelica, and Kuminga collectively play 48 minutes at C, maybe JTA in there too? Sounds like a struggle to me. I'm not sure Jordan Bell can do any more than the other guys on this list against the Steven Adams, Plumlee brothers, or Dwight Howard type players in the league, but he at least has the bounce to get rebounds, and his defense had potential last I saw. Honestly I am less frustrated with his inefficient tendencies than I was with Willey Cauley-Stein.

It's the same question if, say, Steph and Poole are both out: do we have the playmaking and ball-handling to manage without them? GP2 can definitely contribute there, though so can Chiozza, apparently.

It feels like this set of dudes is positioned to handle the scenario where Klay and Lee are both out; which, yeah, is more likely given Klay's start of season status. But it feels like that role is already well covered up and down the roster. Poole, Moody, JTA, Wiggins* etc. can probably do an adequate job filling in, though obviously those gold Antas are big shoes to fill [a bathtub with]. Regardless, I'm not sure a guy like Bradley does that much to move the needle there. (*Speaking of needles, I hope someone can move a needle into a certain Canadian player's arm so I can remove that asterisk above.)

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Sep 25, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Stone-cold lead-pipe lock prediction:

Assuming they fill the final spot, I think it’ll be Bradley. Former 1st Team All Defense, can hit shots, can be a bit of a playmaker and has the most proven “NBA chops”. With all the youngsters, I think they don’t want to be in a position to have to depend on them.

I don’t think Mulder gets the final 2-way spot, but rather they pick up an emergency big body to stash with SCW.

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> With all the youngsters, I think they don’t want to be in a position to have to depend on them.

Kuminga and Moody for sure, but the way the roster is built I don't see how they can avoid being in a position where they depend on Wiseman.

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I'll guess it ends up being GP2 and then Mawugbe or another eligible big on the two-way. Decently sized standard errors on both predictions.

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How many 2way contracts can we have?

I say, A. Bradley in the 15th spot, because basically is a good player, GP2 in 2way, because of his defense, say goodbye to Mulder, i wish he can dunk more and his defense is horrible, J. Bell is a good guy but he’s not exactly the big i think we need, i don’t know who is Galloway and Chiozza is already on a 2way contract , i haven’t a clue why 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Sep 25, 2021Liked by punk basketball

They can have two 2-way contracts, but only Mulder is eligible.

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Damn damn :/

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How long until they fix Iggy's birthdate on that official roster?

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I complained on your behalf on Twitter

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Twitter: the place where only good things happen.

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Sep 25, 2021Liked by punk basketball

The key to Twitter is to be anonymous, rarely tweet, have no followers, and not follow corporations. I enjoy the site lol.

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Usually not at all, but here’s a damn wholesome twitter thread reuniting a family and nurse who saved their child. First reply thread… https://twitter.com/campervanliving/status/1441098043424534531?s=21

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Unless they can come up with a magician with the ball, or a knock down shooter who can handle the rock, I'm going with D. Who's got the D without any question marks? GP2.

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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzk23wjk

Warriors & Kings both includes a 1st round pick in the deal to Philly

76ers new team:

PG: Tyrese Maxey

SG: Seth Curry

SF: Andrew Wiggins

PF: Tobias Harris

C: Joel Embiid

Rotation: Davion Mitchell, Matisse Thybulle, Danny Green, Andre Drummond and Georges Niang

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Kings new team

PG: DeAaron Fox

SG: Tyrese Haliburton

SF: Moe Harkless

PF: Ben Simmons

C: Richaun Holmes

Rotation: Buddy Hield, Terence Davis, Tristan Thompson, Marvin Bagley

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Basically we take on Shake Milton for that 15th and final spot and replace Wiggins with Barnes.

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