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Jul 7, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Oubre, the 3 n D guy without the 3. Good luck elsewhere.

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A little OT but man I forgot Al Thornton was a Warrior at one point.

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Why didn't we trade oubre again?

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Watching Copa America. Argentina sometimes reminds me of the Warriorss. Messi does everything, dribbles through 4 players, teammates brick open layups.

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Featured article at NBA,com titled:

“Finals MVP Ladder: Chris Paul starts on top before his first NBA Finals”

They really to make it about Chris Paul so badly that they’re already trying to make his case for Finals MVP.

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I feel it's unlikely for CP to win it. Booker will score more points.

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Jul 7, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Bookers been pretty ass for a lot of these playoffs. Guy is a chucker. I hate Chris Paul, but he will win MVP of the Suns win… please win Milwaukee

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I dunno. He's absolutely feeling himself these playoffs, and looks like a man on a mission. I think it's entirely possible, if he manages to not get injured, for CP3 to be the clear best player on the floor in this series, and run away with the FMVP.

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball

This kinda shit is ridiculous.

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god, I hate him so much. On my Mount Rushmore of jerk players

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Jul 7, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Seriously. Only reason I would want the Suns to win is Monty Williams. That man is a class act.

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Yeah, Oubre's not coming back lol.

At least he waited till the season was over before saying all that.

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Jul 7, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I wasn’t completely swayed one way or the other by the interview. I think a return is less likely but he does say ‘I’m still a Warrior’. If he had closed the door completely, I don’t think he says that.

Also, Wes Goldberg has a more optimistic take in a recent article, as far as a possible Oubre return. Oubre says it’s up to his agent to negotiate, in the interview. WG spoke with agent: https://www.marinij.com/2021/07/07/source-warriors-kelly-oubre-jr-on-same-page-in-free-agency/

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Listening to the whole thing now, but Oubre essentially confirming he's not coming back here, salary aside

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1412489586895249409

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Good, every time someone mentions "KO" I think we hired some WWE guy.

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Jul 7, 2021Liked by punk basketball

If I were him I'd have the same outlook on this all, so I don't really blame him. He gained a fan in me with his short time here and we'll see what happens going forward

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Jul 7, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I’m such a KOJ fan. Have been since he entered the league. I’ll miss his energy, naruto runs and swag. Hope he finds success at his next team.

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Don't blame him though, he's entering his physical prime and hasn't really made enough money (by NBA standards) to accept lesser roles thus resulting in lesser pay. I'd do the same thing. He still has many years left for an opportunity to win a ring. I'll root for the OubMan wherever he goes (except for any LA teams).

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I don’t blame him for leaving to go start somewhere, that’s his right. I was just a little put off by him acting like he hadn’t been given a chance.

On a plus note, it looks like the scar on his cheek healed up.

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Kthnxbai Oubre, hello Moody

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LOL took me maybe 5 seconds. ;-)

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/hands Beli a tissue

Interesting that he thinks he didn’t get a fair chance. They handed him the starting job and left him in their despite historically bad 3-point shooting. Short of an entirely re-designed offense that he could thrive in, what was he expecting?

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He didn't get the opportunities he wanted. Also worth remembering that he was traded twice in the offseason in short succession... he may or may not have really wanted to be here in the first place.

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yeah, he had one of (if not THE) worst starts in NBA history and still got major minutes and shot attempts here. Sure, there are factors (coming off knee surgery, weird Covid times) but Kerr gave him plenty of minutes and responsibilities here.

I get it. He can make more money in a more featured role somewhere else - but just either say that, or leave it at the "it motivated me" answer

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Eh, he's being honest. I'd like that to be encouraged. It's his perspective, it doesn't have to be yours. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Yeah, but it kind of comes across as being in denial that he had anything to do with his disappointing season.

I did appreciate earlier when he was honest and said he was putting too much pressure on himself trying to prove himself worth big money.

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Yeah, he's definitely looking at the glass as "half full"... focusing on the things outside his control.

He's definitely got his head in the "pecking order" of things, valuing himself as a starter, trying to live up to his salary/cost... hope he finds his way to see through that and be the best player he can be.

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for sure.

Also, after listening to the whole thing, a lot of the soundbites in that Twitter clip are (I think) him talking more about his next landing spot. On a full listen, it sounded more like he was saying that coming off the bench ANYWHERE isn't something he's looking to do.

Also, players can struggle in the Kerr system. It was obvious right from the start that Oubre's playing instincts didn't exactly perfectly mesh with Kerr ball, so maybe he was referencing some of that too

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Jul 7, 2021Liked by Eric Apricot, punk basketball

Hold up for a minute here. I want to examine where this idea that "players can struggle in the Kerr system" came from. Prior to this season, I don't remember hearing it much if at all; on the contrary, we often heard how guys were discounted as "system players" who couldn't perform at the same level on other teams.

The '21 season had three players who seemed to be struggling compared to expectations: Oubre, Wiseman, and Wanamaker. The previous season had quite the rotating cast, but I'll take a look at DLo and Willie Cauley-Stein for good measure. A quick glance at other guys who've rotated through the Golden State roster since Kerr's arrival shows several guys who've struggled or disappointed to some extent but I couldn't find a single one who had a break-out moment after leaving the Dubs. (The closest is Boucher, who played all of 1 minute with the big club and eventually had a big moment his third year on Toronto.)

OK, so, let's talk about individual guys.

- Wiseman - Yeah, he struggled. But he had uncommonly little basketball experience *in general* prior to playing for the Warriors, so it's entirely likely he would've struggled regardless of which team he was on, doubly so with significant time missed to COVID and injuries.

- Oubre - His stats in his one season with the Warriors are slightly down more or less across the board compared to his last season in Phoenix; but still at or above his career averages. Of course, the start of the season was much worse for whatever reason. Maybe injury is the reason there, too.

- Wanamaker - His performance with GSW was not all that different from how he did on Boston before or how he looked with Charlotte afterward, except that his 3-point shooting fell off a cliff after leaving Boston. But it got even worse on Charlotte after being traded, so I think it says more about Danny Ainge's system than Kerr's.

- D'Angelo Russell - I don't think anyone really thought he was struggling on GSW so much as the fit didn't really make sense alongside Steph and Klay. His overall stats since getting traded to Minny have been about the same as his time on the Warriors and even on the Nets.

- Willie Cauley-Stein - He's been doing more or less the same thing on the Mavericks bench as he was starting here. He remains the maddeningly inconsistent player he was on Sac before, though he's at least improved his FG% since going to Dallas.

- Nick Young - contributed meaningfully to a Warriors championship, then had a brief appearance on DEN and is now set to play in the "Big3" (3v3) league. Ultimately he did more or less the same thing for us as he did on his previous teams.

- Omri Casspi - fit in pretty well, actually, except for the part where he didn't want to shoot 3's. Waived after he had an injury and played part of the next season for the Grizz before they blew up and started rebuilding.

- Damian Jones - after many chances to be the Warriors center of the future, we gave up on him. Atlanta couldn't get much more out of him and he played spot minutes on the Lakers during a particularly rough injury stretch.

- Patrick McCaw - The strange saga of three-time champ McCaw is a fascinating one, but he hasn't struggled any less since moving to Toronto.

- Alfonzo McKinnie - Was a borderline guy who did some stuff, got displaced here and became a borderline guy on Cleveland and the Lakers.

- Jordan Bell - In terms of expectations, he was so completely completely outside of Chicago's draft board that we acquired him for "cash considerations" yet he ended up making a big splash as a rookie. After getting put in Kerr's doghouse sophomore year for immaturity, he bounced around various benches including ours since.

Upon closer inspection, this list and others are full of guys who, if anything, *overperformed* in Kerr's system. Wiggins seems to have turned his career around pretty rapidly. Chriss was looking like an incredible reclamation prospect before the injury. Bazemore and Matt Barnes did, if anything, better in their second stint on the Dubs than on the teams they bounced around between. Maybe Kevon Looney struggled in the system his first few years, but how much of that was mainly attributable to multiple hip surgeries?

Ultimately, I think "guys can struggle in the Kerr system" is either a platitude or an excuse—guys can struggle in any coach's system, especially when they're injured or new to the league. But overall the evidence is clear: Kerr's system is as good or better than the rest of the league at putting players in a position where they can thrive.

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So, the guy I was specifically thinking about was Cousins. I know that he was still banged up, but one thing I remember is that even though he put up decent stats, the offense was absolutely murdered every time he was on the court.

Casspi too, but as you say, I think maybe he just refused to shoot threes for some reason.

End of the day, Oubre may have been slightly mis-positioned as a 2, and he did appear to improve by the end of his tenure

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Jul 7, 2021Liked by punk basketball

Guys can struggle in Kerr's system if they don't know how to move without the ball. Cutting, screening, and moving to open areas to keep the floor balanced is very important in Kerr's system. Most players aren't used to doing those things. Draymond Green said that Wiseman didn't even know how to set a screen when he got to Golden State. Oubre was used to standing in the corner and waiting for someone to pass him the ball. So a lot of players struggle in Kerr's system and it just depends on how long it takes them to learn to move without the ball.

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball

I think Oubre would excel in a system like the Hawks or Lakers where there's a dominant ball handler and he's not asked to do anything except jump high and stay ready at the 3pt line.

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I mean, isn’t that what he was asked to do here? Occasionally set some screens in the half court, but mostly just take open threes if they’re there and be a major threat to finish in transition. After the serious swoon to start the year I thought he did pretty well at that really.

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball

He is a talented dude, and I can certainly see him finding a team to start for next year. That being said if said team is looking to “feature” his offense, that’s going to be pretty rough sledding, lol.

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee

Kind of an awkward smile from Jason Richardson, but who wouldn’t be nervous meeting a legend like Daniel?

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Lmao Goofus stop it

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is it an accident that we can't see what Daniel's hand is doing?

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who's watching the Finals? I guess I am?

> malika_andrews

Bucks star Giannis Antetokounmpo has been upgraded from doubtful to questionable on this afternoon’s injury report.

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Yeah... she's got a long road ahead of her...

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Did LeBron fire his PR guy yet for his role in this?

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Hey, Anthony Randolph (and Ekpe Udoh) went on to become key players on championship teams!*

*- in Turkey league, but still!

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Jul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee

Thanks for the write up. We’re lucky to have independent voices.

I wanna say that I have some love for CP3. He’s put in the time for the NBAPA, spoken up on social issues, and been good for the Suns chemistry. I can’t hate on him any more.

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deletedJul 7, 2021Liked by punk basketball
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Ben Simmons says hello

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deletedJul 6, 2021Liked by punk basketball, Daniel Hardee
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All good! The Warriors know how to party

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Maybe I'm wrong, but after reading the actual comments it seems like Nichols is throwing shade at ESPN more than she is at Maria Taylor.

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Sure, but it could also subtly imply that ESPN is promoting Taylor strictly on race and not because of merit. I admit that's a bit of a reach, but I could see why Taylor would be a little blindsided by that.

Side note: I wonder if Woj is regretting going to ESPN now lol

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I'm not saying Taylor should or shouldn't feel a certain way about it, it just seems like in the commentary I've read about these statements that Nichols is going after Taylor when in reality she is harping on ESPN for being cynical (i.e. why they are considering giving Taylor one of the few jobs already held by women at the company rather than giving her the position currently held by a white dude). and I feel like she has a point there.

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Oh believe me, that's how I read it too, but I get Taylor's perspective, especially given ESPN's pretty piss poor track record when it comes to elevating minority groups, Black, women or otherwise.

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https://awfulannouncing.com/nba/rachel-nichols-maria-taylor-nba-countdown.html

For anyone who wants some context...it was pretty bad all the way around

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