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Celtics just waived Bruno Caboclo, presumably as a response to Williams having some issues and them needing to find roster space for another center.

I'd consider bringing Caboclo into training camp tbh. Curry allows the Warriors to get more mileage out of guys who can't shoot than just about any other team.

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deletedSep 20, 2022·edited Sep 20, 2022
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YOGTNBAFO

(You only get to NBA Finals once)

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"Hold my 6 Western Conference Trophies"

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#YES. I don't understand some people's criteria for HWFL. To me it's guys I loved. If they only spent a little time with the team (David West, GP2, JaVale, Zaza etc.) I don't care. If they weren't THAT talented (JTA, D Lee, etc.), I don't care. I only care if they played Warrior (team 1st) basketball and gave their all and bought in. It's feel. Guys like KOJ and Nick Young fail on emotional grounds, not skill or longevity. A lot of the things people seem to be judging on have other awards to measure that stuff. I don't care , I'm going to vote every mediocre player that I loved as an HWFL. That is part of the joy of being a fan!

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People like you are ruining our arbitrary, made up awards!!! Next thing you know they'll be letting every former Warriors player who fans liked in!!!

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That's ridiculous! ... Just the ones I like need to get in.

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Protection for Curry was essential in a league that had a default setting of permitting other teams to tackle him and throw him out of bounds every time he moved without the ball, and to undercut every three point shot to the point that Curry implemented his own default of falling down every time he fired a three to avoid hurting an ankle. People who think Curry is soft and that no "Jordan rules" apply to his game haven't watched what has happend to him off-ball for years. Bogut, and even more so Pachulia, were a huge part of the threat of retribution for an "unintentionally inflicted" Curry injury that at least kept most of the off-ball muggings out of the permanent injury category. In true hockey fan fashion, we should embrace the fact that Pachulia's step under Kawhi Leonard was dirty, just as it was for every other player in the league who did it, and is for those who still do. But SA invented that play, and calling it the Zaza rule instead of the Bowen rule is just disrespectful to a truly dirty player and a team defensive system at SA that encouraged it. On the day in question, SA (particularly LaMarcus Aldridge) was repeatedly undercutting Curry before Pachulia, ahem, stepped in. One would expect that Pachulia, Green and company had colorfully and clearly communicated (with four-letter emphasis) what would occur if SA kept trying to hurt their meal ticket. Pachulia and Bogut are part of why all the old-timers "we'd have hurt Curry in our day" posturing rings hollow. Because if they had, Pachulia would have ended Bill Laimbeer's overrated cheap-shotting basketball life. If all Pachulia ever did was knock Westbrook down, he'd get my vote. Yes.

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Where is the "Double-Like" button? This is a perfect description of why Zaza was so important.

Plus he liked to slap his own bum while he "rode the horsey"... still my favorite Zaza moment of all time...

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Horford undercut Steph in the Finals this year, it was called a flagrant foul, everyone shrugged and moved on. No mention of it being a "dirty" play or any of that hullabaloo. I think most of the backlash against Zaza was because Kawhi was hurt on the play (let's just forget he entered the game hurt and aggravated the injury tripping over his own teammate's foot on the sideline) and the Spurs were absolutely cooking the Warriors at the time. And a lot of people were looking for excuses to hate the Warriors at that point in time. But none of that justifies the ridiculous overreaction. Sure, make it a flagrant foul, that seems like a good idea. The rest of it was a bunch of BS.

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Yes, I would go with “reckless, dangerous play” that is rightfully harshly punished in the NBA. But enough people did it (and still do it) that I can’t say it’s a “dirty” play meant to injure.

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Sep 20, 2022·edited Sep 20, 2022

Dray on Sarver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81AL1xHD29w. Also closes with some commentary on the reports of harsher luxury tax penalties.

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Just a friendly reminder that training camp starts on Saturday.

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One of my favorite Warriors of the time, another easy #YES. Fun personality, mature, and mechanically solid, consummate role-player and contributor on championship teams, and hilariously, all-star vote getter from being the star of his home country.

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#No Did the dirty on Kawhi

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I don't think that was intentional, any more than I thought Brooks took out GPII intentionally this last postseason.

Players are giving maximum effort in the playoffs. Zaza got under Kawhi on a hard closeout, which was probably a little reckless, and it went badly. Similarly, I didn't think Brooks' swipedown was anything more than just a good player trying too hard and not exercising good judgment.

Zaza was an awkward player, but got the most out of what athletic talent he had. I don't think he was a dirty player.

I wouldn't want to be on the end of a screen from him, though. He crushed some people.

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Sep 20, 2022·edited Sep 20, 2022

One manslaughter is another man’s laughter. :-)

Seriously: while allowing that the step-under was probably dirty, I put the onus for the whole incident more on Popovich, for both (1) playing Kawhi on a clearly jacked up ankle (he had been grimacing in pain from it minutes earlier), and (2) having the gall to liken the **same move he had encouraged from Bruce Bowen for years** to “manslaughter,” a bit of hypocritical, sore-loser hyperbole that resulted in death threats to Zaza’s family. A low moment in Pop’s otherwise sterling career.

For his part, Kawhi — cool dude that he is — didn’t consider it a dirty play at all.

Also, @ Skip Bayless and other Warrior haters: the GOAT Warriors who buzzsawed through the playoffs 16-1 were going to kick the living crap out of the Spurs either way. One half of bad basketball by the good guys — in an annoying Eastern matinee game, which are always brutal for West Coast teams — was not evidence of how that series would have turned out with a healthy Kawhi.

#YES

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Sep 20, 2022·edited Sep 20, 2022

Also quietly one of Stephs best playoff games, he was the only thing keeping the Warriors remotely in striking distance until Kawhi went out.

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I think I'm going to have to go for a #NO, but maybe it's voter fatigue as I feel like I just give everyone a yes recently. Of the 2-year B2B crew of Dwest, Javale, Zaza, McCaw, I'm going to make an arbitrary self imposed rule I can only take two, so McCaw and Javale have to make it. Don't worry, just kidding, DWest and Javale. Zaza was great, and I love that he is still with the org. But I think the fact that he was just a worse version of who he was replacing (Bogut) was a bit of a downer. Tough shoes to fill. Also he is going to make it anyway, so now I can feel like I am a discerning voter without actually having to potentially ruin a man's legacy.

Also while writing this I had a random sensation that Zaza would be the type of guy who, if he found out about this vote, would come here, make a username and dunk on whichever commentor is ignorant enough to vote no. So I hope that happens to me.

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#YES Added the toughness, passing, and solid defense in the middle that we needed post-Bogut. Key part of two titles. Besides, he beat Klay in their dunk rivalry, which counts for fun factor. And he's still with the organization.

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#yes and a complete ditto on this post! Perfectly said.

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NOTHING EASY

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#yes

hey i have to vote for someone w/ a and z in their name

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Have we voted on Kelenna Azubuike yet?

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#YES

I think I value folks who end their careers with the warriors, rather than using it as a launching off point. The fact that Zaza remains involved is a huge plus.

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#YES

For all the reasons mentioned with one add; “Zaza Pachulia” is a fun name to say

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Zaza feels like an easy #YES because of his Warrior-ness outside of his playing career. Players like him and SDot have made a choice to essentially be Warriors for life, or at least beyond their playing years. That means something to me. I really like seeing well-liked, intelligent former Dubs continue in positions with the organization.

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#YES. Would have been an all-star if the NBA hadn’t fixed the vote. (Yes I know that was pre Warriors and yes I’m joking).

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I'm not! (joking!) He shoulda been an all-star!

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Hard to say. Solely for what he did as a player, I would lean no, as he was really just 1/3 of a center for those teams (and even less so when Dray smallball was required). But for how much he's embraced the franchise post-retirement, I'll give a begrudging #YES

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