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cpt nemo's avatar

Warriors looking to convert Pat and buy Lonzo Ball

"[Fischer] As the Warriors are working to convert two-way guard Pat Spencer to a roster spot, Golden State also has its sights set on adding Lonzo Ball via the buyout market, sources say.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1qyiirh/fischer_as_the_warriors_are_working_to_convert/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Originalksource is the stein line substack - but could not locate the article with it as I am not subscribed to it.

https://marcstein.substack.com/p/the-giannis-antetokounmpo-trade-latest?r=nuq3a&shareImageVariant=overlay&triedRedirect=true

Run_TMC's avatar

It's pretty obvious why no one like Brooks, but someone remind me why I don't like Grayson Allen. Is it just 'cause he went to Dook and looks like Ted Cruz or was there an event or something that gave him a reputation. I seriously can't remember.

cpt nemo's avatar

he has seriously injured two players I think!!

Run_TMC's avatar

thanks. and, yeah, I shouldda just asked AI first:

Key Incidents and Injuries

Alex Caruso (2022): While with the Milwaukee Bucks, Allen grabbed Caruso out of the air, causing a fall that resulted in a fractured wrist. The play was ruled a flagrant 2, leading to an ejection and a one-game suspension.

Tripping Incidents (Duke/NBA): Allen was involved in multiple tripping incidents during his time at Duke and later appeared to attempt to trip Trae Young in a 2020 NBA game.

Chet Holmgren (2025): In a 2025 NBA Cup game, Allen was ejected for shoving Oklahoma City Thunder's Chet Holmgren to the ground.

2019 Summer League: Allen was ejected for committing two flagrant fouls in rapid succession.

Reputation and Response

"Dirty" Player Label: Due to these incidents, Allen has gained a reputation for questionable on-court behavior, which he has acknowledged.

Discipline: The NBA has disciplined him with suspensions and fines for excessive, unnecessary contact.

Recent Injury: In February 2026, Allen suffered his own injury, a knee issue, while landing on an opponent, according to a MSN article.

Gracing Ring5 💍's avatar

Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes

BREAKING: Washington Wizards star Anthony Davis (hand, groin) expected to sit out the remainder of the season to fully get healthy for the 2026-27 season, league sources tell me.

crusty quips's avatar

KP is almost definitely going to play more games this season than AD lol

stopnpop's avatar

I like how cautious you were with that statement haha

crusty quips's avatar

Well he would still have to play 4 games so there's still a chance of something terrible happening, I have too much Dubs scar tissue to discount that possibility

Gracing Ring5 💍's avatar

The Rockets were celebrating National Girls and Women’s in Sports Day so after getting a foul call from a ref who is female, Sengun said to her: “You a b*tch!” and after getting ejected called her a b*tch! again. Did we happen to dodge a misogynistic bullet?

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1qy17q6/full_video_of_the_altercation_sengun_hes_up_on_me/

Mr Teal's avatar
18hEdited

>>Did we happen to dodge a misogynistic bullet?

Somewhere downthread, EA suggested that bullets dodge us.

Eric Apricot's avatar

Sengun is a flopper and a cheater (see my past video on him faking Draymond hitting him). I’m glad I don’t have to root for his success.

GlennR's avatar

Tried to intimidate Spencer PI, so glad he got a head butt from Pat and a shove from TJD for his effrontery.

Mr Teal's avatar

It's worse, right, when the flopper is the biggest guy on the court?

BayesGT's avatar

I’d like to think that growing in the GSW culture would’ve led him down a different path :)

crusty quips's avatar

I dunno. When people show you who they are, believe them the first time.

TwoRingTest's avatar

truer words ...

Chadara's avatar

This whole NBA trade deadline has been pretty wild, and maybe not necessarily for the better.

For fans it is very difficult to even know which player is on which team right now… and then… which ones are just there for the rest of this season until their contract expires or they can be traded again in another deal.

With so many players switching teams it is hard to know what many teams will have in terms of viable rosters. Sure lots of interest and intrigue for hard core fans and stats junkies, but very hard to develop real team loyalty without player consistency.

Now only about 30 games left in the regular season… is that really the best situation for building a basketball "team" ?

Seems a shame for fans as basketball purists who enjoy seeing teamwork and cohesive units on both offense and defense.

I'm not sure this is really that good for the NBA as a product.

TwoRingTest's avatar

I don't know. How could you manage it otherwise? If you are going to have trades, there will have to be some cutoff date.

Honestly, I think it would be a shame for a true contender who has an unfortunate injury to not have a shot to try to fix the situation and be competitive. It also gives the teams that just aren't going anywhere (looking at you, Sacramento, Memphis) a chance to try to get a better return on their players.

And, for every Dallas dumping players, there is a Washington where the trades gave them some hope.

Gracing Ring5 💍's avatar

It seems like it's not the Trade Deadline per se that's the issue, but the trending increased *use* of it that might be more your concern. I guess it's a bit of "Free Market" forces enabling some form of competition to franchises than be stuck with a roster that is non-competitive (or one that wants to tank). Perhaps the League caps the number of players that CAN be traded (which would result in less of the last minute deals). But what if we couldn't trade JK until the off-season? From NBA.com

"Though the NBA has kept a trade deadline dating back to January 1947, deadline-related transaction records have only been officially tracked back to 1987, when the deadline was set at 9 p.m. ET on the 16th Thursday of the season."

Feb. 6, 2025

21 teams making 15 trades involving 47 players

Feb. 8, 2024

20 teams making 15 trades involving 42 players

Feb. 9, 2023

24 teams making 12 trades involving 49 players

Feb. 10, 2022

16 teams making 10 trades involving 35 players

March 25, 2021

23 teams making 16 trades involving 48 players

Feb. 6, 2020

16 teams making 11 trades involving 30 players

Feb. 7, 2019

19 teams making 14 trades involving 34 players

Feb. 8, 2018

19 teams making 12 trades involving 30 players

Feb. 23, 2017

12 teams making 8 trades involving 19 players

Feb. 18, 2016

17 teams making 9 trades involving 20 players

Feb. 19, 2015

17 teams making 12 trades involving 43 players

Feb. 20, 2014

14 teams making 9 trades involving 21 players

Feb. 21, 2013

18 teams making 12 trades involving 29 players

March 15, 2012

16 teams making 9 trades involving 23 players

Feb. 24, 2011

10 teams making 8 trades involving 23 players

Feb. 18, 2010

12 teams making 8 trades involving 27 players

Feb. 19, 2009

10 teams making 6 trades involving 18 players

Feb. 21, 2008

11 teams making 5 trades involving 24 players

Feb. 22, 2007

Six teams making 3 trades involving 4 players

Feb. 23, 2006

10 teams making 5 trades involving 17 players

Feb. 24, 2005

14 teams making 10 trades involving 29 players

Feb. 19, 2004

Seven teams making 4 trades involving 13 players

Feb. 20, 2003

Five teams making 3 trades involving 10 players

Feb. 21, 2002

Four teams making 2 trades involving 9 players

Feb. 22, 2001

Seven teams making 4 trades involving 22 players

Feb. 24, 2000

Two teams making 1 trade involving 1 player

March 11, 1999

Nine teams making 5 trades involving 18 players

Feb. 19, 1998

Eight teams making 4 trades involving 13 players

Feb. 20, 1997

Nine teams making 6 trades involving 15 players

Feb. 22, 1996

10 teams making 6 trades involving 19 players

Feb. 23, 1995

Two teams making 1 trade involving 2 players

Feb. 24, 1994

Seven teams making 4 trades involving 8 players

Feb. 25, 1993

Four teams making 2 trades involving 3 players

Feb. 20, 1992

Two teams making 1 trade involving 2 players

Feb. 20, 1991

Two teams making 1 trade involving 2 players

Feb. 22, 1990

Eight teams making 5 trades involving 7 players

Feb. 23, 1989

Four teams making 2 trades involving 5 players

Feb. 25, 1988

Five teams making 3 trades involving 9 players

Feb. 15, 1987

Two teams making 1 trade involving 1 player

Chadara's avatar

For me it is as much a commentary on the state of modern NBA basketball. Superstar players with all of their abilities are featured more than teams where several different types of basketball skills mesh into a productive unit. It has been that way for a while. Emphasis on soaring dunks and long range 3 pt. shooting highlights individual accomplishments more than well run plays and shifting ‘shell’ defenses, etc.

When the trade deadline comes up, many teams seem to be positioning their rosters towards maximizing certain player’s skills as marketable or potentially tradeable, or else working to open up possible future salary cap relief with expiring contracts, as much as they are trying to find a teamwork fit.

That’s the way the league has been going… I personally like following a team from draft and summer league into the regular season to see how they will do. I accept there will not always be championships or even long playoff runs even though that is a goal. Watching well played teamwork and developing a feel for what certain players can do well and how that fits the team concept is fun for me.

Captain Jack's avatar

The "Get Bam help!" narrative is funny as hell. He's a very good player and I'd love to have him on the Warriors but he's the help. He's not good enough to build around lol

Mr Teal's avatar

Get him even more help!

ServantOfLuna's avatar

Pels beat the Wolves 119-115

Bel's avatar

Now, we also need the Kings to beat the Clippers and the Grizzlies to beat the Blazers. That’s a very tall order for the Kings who are on a losing streak (10 consecutive losses) and are at the bottom of the heap.

AttilaTheHun's avatar

And the Grizz just did that 8-player swap with the Jazz, including trading JJJ. They might not even know who they are right now.

Sabiscrashingout.'s avatar

With Edwards having 101% TS?

ServantOfLuna's avatar

>>>Tyrese gets emotional about the McCain trade: "He was a little brother to me dawg, like the first real rookie-vet to me. I hope he succeeds and he has a fan and brother in me for life. I woke up this morning and realized damn I'm not gonna see JMac downstairs anymore"<<<

https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1qx1fgv/tyrese_gets_emotional_about_the_mccain_trade_he/

cpt nemo's avatar

Detroit is taking out their frustrating loss to the wizards the other night on the knicks - currently leading by 28 pts with 3:33 left in the 3rd Q!

Sabiscrashingout.'s avatar

Injury report is updated. Steph, Seth and KP are out. Luka out.

https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/referee/injury/Injury-Report_2026-02-06_08_45PM.pdf

Oddly enough it does not say KP is trade pending.

DFiB's avatar

So, I just realized... we had a timeout left when Gary got the rebound. Why didn't he call a timeout instead of barfing up that hairball of a pass?

eponymous_username's avatar

I mean, it sure looked like Goodwin fouled the shit outta GPII (but I guess not by the threshold of illegal contact as was established for that game, since Goodwin was raking down on GSW arms/across their bodies all night)

L2M says it wasn't a foul but they also said it was Melton, not GPII, so I don't buy it lol

My guess is while GPII was fighting to hold on and not get tied up, there wasn't enough processing time to call time out before he lost the ball. I'd guess Kerr was probably thinking Suns would foul/were actually in the process of fouling GPII, and by the time he woulda called TO the ball was no longer in anyone's possession.

Mr Teal's avatar

Yeah...he was under duress fighting for the ball...not an attempted pass

DFiB's avatar

Call it PTSD?

GlueAndBold's avatar

Giants fan perspective: the torture is worth it when you win.

And you just know that in the alternate universe where the timeout was called, we bungle the inbound pass and somehow snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

DFiB's avatar

A Warriors team bungling an inbounds pass? Never!

GlueAndBold's avatar

I’ll take the flow over overthinking every time*

GlueAndBold's avatar

*every time means when we win

Ando's avatar

You had me at "barfing up that hairball".

Sabiscrashingout.'s avatar

He had me at Gary. 😉

belilaugh's avatar

Paywalled article that I can't read so maybe pointless to post here but Jeremias Engelmann has the Warriors as a trade deadline winner:

https://x.com/RoyceWebb/status/2019841652999750140

Eric Apricot's avatar

I’m not surprised. Englemann has done a lot of work on XRAPM.com which is loosely correlated to EPM and also ranks Hield, Trayce and Kuminga as the three most negative regulars on GSW, and also Porzingis is near the top of the league (90th percentile) so I’m guessing his analysis is the same as mine below: giving the minutes of those 3 to other Warriors itself is a win even if KP never plays, and KP is a massive plus for whatever seconds he can play for GSW.

cpt nemo's avatar

Do you have the EPM for the current list of warriors now - wonder where Dray is on the list and was that why he was on the trading block - outside of the $ issues?

Eric Apricot's avatar

I’m not sure if this page is paywalled: https://dunksandthrees.com/teams/1610612744

Also, xrapm.com is free, different methodology though.

Here is the current team with the recently traded included. Off EPM, Def EPM, Total EPM (the sum)

Stephen Curry, +6.3, −1.2, +5.1

Jimmy Butler III, +3.2, +1.2, +4.4

De’Anthony Melton, +1.6, +1.7, +3.2

Kristaps Porziņģis, +1.8, +0.9, +2.6

Moses Moody, −0.1, +1.6, +1.5

Brandin Podziemski, −0.7, +1.6, +0.9

Quinten Post, +0.1, +0.3, +0.4

Gui Santos, −0.7, +0.8, +0.1

Al Horford, −0.3, +0.4, +0.1

Gary Payton II, −1.0, +1.0, +0.0

Draymond Green, −1.8, +1.5, −0.3

Will Richard, −1.5, +1.2, −0.3

Jonathan Kuminga, −1.3, +0.3, −1.0

Pat Spencer, −1.2, +0.1, −1.1

Buddy Hield, −0.3, −1.1, −1.5

LJ Cryer, −1.3, −0.7, −2.0

Seth Curry, −1.3, −0.8, −2.1

Trayce Jackson-Davis, −1.9, −0.3, −2.2

Malevy Leons, −3.5, −1.0, −4.5

GlueAndBold's avatar

Of note:

Steph is 8th in the league

Jimmy is 11th

Melton is 26th

Porziņģis is 42nd (the answer?!) just below Michael Porter Jr. at 41st and well ahead of Trey Murphy III at 57th

Moody is 84th in the league, tied with Jaden McDaniels and Anthony Davis and just ahead of Lebron James

Podz is 115th, just ahead of Myles Turner

Quinten Post is 141st, I think, as it was crazy manually counting the lines that far, with the same rating as Jaren Jackson Jr.

GlueAndBold's avatar

Honestly, he's got to be near the bottom.

GlueAndBold's avatar

Oh my God, the one current Warrior I saw that is worse is... Pat Spencer (-1.1)

(Edited to add: Seth, but SSS)

Draymond is at -0.3, ahead of Klay and Timelord (-0.9) and Jordan Poole and Looney (-1.4) among others. Then you get to Budders at -1.5.

jaxfor3's avatar

Good ole addition by subtraction.

GlueAndBold's avatar

So that analysis places this deal as like a B at worst and an A+ at best. I'm super good with that range.

Eric Apricot's avatar

I think it’s very hard to grade this trade (put aside the ridiculousness of grading on Day 0), because of the injury variance and unknowns. But healthy Steph + Jimmy + KP + Dray is absolutely a contender. Will we ever see healthy versions of each ever again? No one can guess with accuracy.

So one perspective is, this trade swaps the low chance that Kuminga blossoms into a star for the low chance that KP stays healthy enough to contribute, and I’d say our new ceiling is higher than the old ceiling.

AttilaTheHun's avatar

And even if Kuminga blossoms into a star in ATL or elsewhere, he probably wouldn't have done that here.

GlueAndBold's avatar

Well, my grade was based on a raised floor and a raised ceiling, because that's what you stated. We no longer have the three worst Dubs whose minutes will necessarily be given to better players, and we potentially have another big weapon. Seems like we are automatically out of the C or lower range, but again, don't count your chickens.

Captain Jack's avatar

I was pretty down on the trade the first 24 hours because of KP's health concerns but we didn't give up any rotational players/picks for him and got our dream starting center so that's a win to me

belilaugh's avatar

I think being down on it is perfectly valid but the one take that I am increasingly baffled by is the Andy Liu-esque take that this was a capitulation in a way that an AD or Zion trade would not have been. They got arguably a better player (certainly a much better fit on the Warriors with Draymond) for a lower price. All three guys are extremely injury prone.

The riskiness is what makes it worth criticizing but I really do think some people are just complaining to complain. Same with the people I saw lamenting that the Warriors didn't trade Kuminga for O'Neale, Nick Richards, and some second rounders. I put a premium on criticism needing to be fair, that type of criticism just comes off as "whatever they did, I will criticize what they didn't do".

GlueAndBold's avatar

Yeah- people have been really, really disrespecting Porzingis as a player.

Captain Jack's avatar

Lol miss me with those Light Years Podcast takes. Those dudes are insufferable snobs IMO

Goofus's avatar

I usually like hearing from Sam and Tommy, but…

dubbletrubble's avatar

I'm starting to warm to it myself, after my initial dismay.

Captain Jack's avatar

He's a great fit next to Draymond on both ends and we're about to see it pay off IF he can stay healthy

dubbletrubble's avatar

That’s always been the crux of the issue. I’ve never been down on his potential fit, just his potential fitness.

DFiB's avatar

But with his lengthy injury history and just recently recovering from an achilles injury... it's hard to have confidence he's going to stay healthy. We'll see.

JZAlvarado's avatar

Giannis is a POS. Feel free to delete but I had to get this off my chest.

Eric Apricot's avatar

Dub Nation may have been dodged by a bullet

belilaugh's avatar

This is gross and Giannis is a loser who gets away with a lot of nonsense because he's likable.

Sabiscrashingout.'s avatar

I think he's losing his likeability factor more and more.

WCoastD's avatar
1dEdited

How is *it ok for a current player to do this? Doesn’t it conflict with league gambling rules?

GlueAndBold's avatar

Kalshi is not even proper gambling. It's basically designed to be heavily abused.

stopnpop's avatar

What's the difference between gambling and a "web-based prediction betting platform [...] mostly used for traditional sports betting" (from wikipedia)?

GlueAndBold's avatar

It has no rules. Insiders can make themselves rich off insider trading because it's not treated the way other stuff is. Giannis probably did bet on a known-to-him result, as did other people in the Milwaukee FO I imagine.

Klaymatic37's avatar

Paying off the right politicians. That's the difference.

Sabiscrashingout.'s avatar

Someone mentioned it's not regulated.

GlueAndBold's avatar

So this tells me he bet heavily on "Giannis staying with Milwaukee." Fcking scam economy. The rich just print their own money.

dubbletrubble's avatar

My only consolation is that Joe Lacob also got scammed in the process. At least it isn't just the poors.

NoOneEverGotFired4GuardinSteph's avatar

He didn't get scammed out of money...just his dream

Gracing Ring5 💍's avatar

With the casting out of JK, I really hope that is the last of Lacob's fingerprints on the roster. Let MDJ keep cooking. Joey, you'll have plenty of high athletic picks to glaze over when Steph decides to join the Senior PGA Tour (Min. 50yo).

Klaymatic37's avatar

It's Kind hard to evaluate MDJ when we know lavob has been dictating Giannis or nothing

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Dave McMenamin

There is some initial optimism that Luka Doncic is not dealing with a major issue with his left hamstring, however the Lakers star is doubtful to play Saturday against the Golden State Warriors, sources told ESPN