Need a small percentage of Fitz and Kelenna talking about how Jimmy doesn't turn the ball over immediately followed by Jimmy driving into the lane without a plan, jumping into the air, and throwing the ball off a defender somewhere for a turnover.
The day the trade notification(s) saying Moses Moody and Jonathan Kuminga are off this team hit, I will be a very, very happy man. It does not even matter if the Warriors will be better, the same or worse. Just having them and their supporters gone will be relief for four years and counting of misery.
I will take podz worst game of the season this year and still say I hope he is a Warrior for life. Saying all that a: i hope opposing GMs see the same thing I do and b). In order to get something of value back you must give up something of value. So if there is the possibility of a trade to be had there THAT will boost up the chances of this team competing over the next year or two then im obviously not entirely opposed to trading Podz
I thought he looked nervous and uncertain and worried that his every move was going to be judged and he would be pulled from the floor for any little mistake. But he's always had problems processing at speed. The short bursts where he gets consistent minutes seems to help, but then he almost always sustains an injury.
He was 100% not looking for his shot most of the time, even getting the ball in the middle of the paint on a 4-on-3, hesitated, didn't notice the defense give him a shot opportunity, and turned it over.
If true, I don't get it. He knows he's not going to be long for this team. He knows he's got fans calling for him to get minutes. Why not get out and play with some pride?
In the top 40 players in turnovers per game this season there are only two who also score in the single digits: Draymond Green and James Wiseman. One of the two is no longer in the league.
Because defenses know that he is not a threat to shoot, so they guard the passing lanes, and he almost always passes to one of two guys, so they can anticipate where he is going with the ball. It gets worse because he loves to try to thread the needle on passes that /he/ knows don't have much margin for error.
To me, I just think Steph and Dray have not adjusted to the fact that everyone has long, quick wings these days.
Those passes that used to go through in 2016 because they were going past slow centers or small guards (and we had big wings to pass to) are now reversed.
We play small and the opponents have long defenders on the floor.
Like anything that has been seen over and over, players adjust and Draymond can only adjust by not throwing the passes.
He simply is not good enough offensively to adapt other than to refrain.
That is also a huge problem for this team. Draymond being considered a star by Kerr when he is honestly well below average offensively and is not the younger Draymond defender anymore.
It’s been the strategy for challenging the Warriors (that and mauling Steph off ball) for years. But whereas there were only a select few teams who could pull it off in the dynasty years, now, as you note, the league has very much trended toward long and quick.
Seeing Moody, Post, and other role players miss wide open shots tonight was depressing. It reinforces the belief that our guys are getting high quality looks but can't knock them down. The only way to fix this is by making moves mid-season, but I don't know if other teams will want our guys who have trouble knocking down open shots.
It really was depressing. And yet Post was 16-37 from 3 for the 5 previous games. So he has been knocking them down a lot of the time. Even with tonight's awful shooting, he's 18-47 (38.3%) in the past 6 games.
Slater made the point that the FO may just let this team play the season out, if we don't go on a winning streak. We are very close to that eventuality happening.
That's not the worst idea, really. It will be easier to find players that fit in the offseason. In the meantime, just get Post, Podz, Moody some experience.
I think JK is a goner regardless, but if we can get a better return by guaranteeing his contract and trading in the summer, fine (or perhaps by just getting some relief by walking away from his contract).
Not like this is a championship team. No point in throwing picks into a desperate attempt to be relevant.
Moody is starting to become very disappointing. You think he has finally arrived and he plays like bleep for awhile.
I guess that is the fate of a decent but not good NBA player, which the Warriors have a ton of.
Draymond is one of them. Kerr will let him live on his past but the present is not a good NBA player. He is still a good defender when fired up but his offense just brings the total player down too much. I would trade him in a heartbeat and begin the reality of now and the future and quit living in the past.
I doubt any team wants Draymond plus Kuminga for the same reason we struggle with both of them: the fit between them is poor. Also, Draymond is more of a win now player, and Kuminga’s fit is best on a rebuilding team.
So, Dray + JK either has to be two separate trades, or a 3 team trade.
Good. They are way closer to a lottery team than a playoff team. Trade JB and JK. Keep the picks. Try to find some tall athletes in the offseason who can dribble and shoot.
They can reorient the strategy into two kinds of games: games where they develop the young guys and games where they give Curry a chance to go off, set records, that sort of thing. If they play Steph every other game, he'll be fresh. Let him take 30 shots and see what happens. That 3PM record would be his...
Steph doesn't care about that crap, he wants to win another championship, and is still playing at the level where he could. If that's the attitude, I'd rather see him traded to an actual contender (though that obviously won't happen)
Don't be too sure. In an earlier interview, he mentioned focusing more on individual goals even though as a team they are still trying for a championship.
I am not some persistent anti-Kerr guy. I've had my frustrations with some of his choices but I've always stood by the idea that overall he's a great coach. His resume speaks for itself.
But just lately I'm starting to wonder if he's the coach for this team at this time. I'm not the first to say it, but hearing the same voice saying the same things for a long time means you tend to not react to it much.
It's also about schemes. I'm not close to ready to start the Explain Two Plays series because I don't know what's going on out there very professionally and Kerr does; but it does seem like at a certain point his fresh ideas became stale -- or at least, extremely well scouted.
There are plenty of other problems to go around -- roster construction, poor play by various players at various times -- so I am hardly laying all the blame at his feet.
But Kerr himself said it: he's had a poor year.
Is it time ... dare I say it? ... for him to go?
You ask, who would you put in his place? The obvious answer is Luke Walton. Remember that first time he sat in? He was outstanding. Other than that I got no ideas. Not Stotts. Maybe Stackhouse, maybe some dude from Greece, I have no idea.
I don't want to exaggerate and say that Kerr has "lost the locker room." He's well loved. Just: time for something new?
I guess from my perspective, Kerr’s system is statistically producing extremely high quality shots even while not having have shot creation beyond Curry/Butler. Our role players just aren’t finishing, I don’t think another coach would fix that.
I would much rather retain the coach who is generating really good “process” but average results than take a swing midseason. Instead of changing the coach, I’d much rather address roster flaws adding a shot creator like Thomas/Mccolum/Monk and bet that will improve results.
Thomas/McCollum/Monk? They're all good shot creators, I'm not knocking their skills, but they're all small guards. Hardly what we need. None of 'em have won much either but that's a team thing.
Definely roster construction would be my #1 issue if I had to rank - kerr’s in-game decisions sometimes frustrating but for me the biggest issue with him has been his inability to hold Draymond Green Accountable!
An enterprising film watcher with lots of free time should try and categorize the dubs turnovers, but here’s my very unscientific try:
-2% Phantom foul on Steph that’s actually on the opponent
- 3% Podz trapped in a corner
- 10% moving screens while trying set one of 6 back screens to get a shots
- 11% general Buddy lunacy
- 25% Draymond forcing a pass that’s not there between 3 defenders
- 49% No one can create a shot, million passes resulting in a throwaway or steal
Thoughts?
I believe you have erred greviously. Where's the "ill-advised over-the-head hook shot or unnecessary behind-the-back pass from Steph?"
This is an outrage. That's like 80%
>or unnecessary behind-the-back pass from Steph?
You mean the one to Klay with about 5ish minutes left in Game 7 of the 2016 Finals?
I'm sorry I don't know what you're talking about. I cannot remember that entire decade due to a large memory gap centered around that moment
Whenever I see a lazy pass from Dray and Steph nowadays I think of that play. #BadHabits
Sounds about right... for every game.
Need a small percentage of Fitz and Kelenna talking about how Jimmy doesn't turn the ball over immediately followed by Jimmy driving into the lane without a plan, jumping into the air, and throwing the ball off a defender somewhere for a turnover.
When JK plays, you need to add him getting stripped during a drive to the basket and then complaining about a foul
Or thinking he can go straight up in the paint and getting it timed perfectly by the defense every time because they're capable NBA players
Good call. Not enough sample size lately 😆
Ha, sounds about right! Wrecked ... er, rec'd.
But when calculated Per 36, Buddy lunacy jumps to 20%.
Is that math
Or did you pull it
From your ath?
Disappointed. I keep refreshing my email but nothing from Joe.
Ha haa - we are all in a state of animated suspense as we wait for Trade day to fast forward here
Christian Warriors fans: I will mark each day by opening a new door on the advent calendar
Jewish Warriors fans: I will light candles on the menorah
DNHQ Warriors fans: I will mark another day off of my office calendar and reflect on the number of days remaining until January 15th
The day the trade notification(s) saying Moses Moody and Jonathan Kuminga are off this team hit, I will be a very, very happy man. It does not even matter if the Warriors will be better, the same or worse. Just having them and their supporters gone will be relief for four years and counting of misery.
“Just having them and their supporters gone will be a relief”
Support-ish 1: Moody is good rotational depth on a decent contract
Support-ish 2: Hope JK can go to a team in which his strengths are more needed and possibly more beneficial to said team.
Waiting for a trade
I really want to love Hield but he makes it so tough because of stupid play.
I guess you could say I need dumb Buddy to love.
Sing it, Grace Slick…
When the truth is found to be lies
And all the joy within you dies…
Don't you want dumb Buddy to love
Don't you need dumb Buddy to love
Wouldn't you love dumb Buddy to love
You better find dumb Buddy to love…
Lmao! Boo this man!
Good night, Grace-y.
Just a Podz appreciation post. Very locked-in tonight, sir. Aggressive rebounding and charge-taking suit you, and your shots looked real nice.
I will take podz worst game of the season this year and still say I hope he is a Warrior for life. Saying all that a: i hope opposing GMs see the same thing I do and b). In order to get something of value back you must give up something of value. So if there is the possibility of a trade to be had there THAT will boost up the chances of this team competing over the next year or two then im obviously not entirely opposed to trading Podz
Kuminga looked more detached on the floor tonight than on the bench the last few games.
I thought he looked nervous and uncertain and worried that his every move was going to be judged and he would be pulled from the floor for any little mistake. But he's always had problems processing at speed. The short bursts where he gets consistent minutes seems to help, but then he almost always sustains an injury.
He was 100% not looking for his shot most of the time, even getting the ball in the middle of the paint on a 4-on-3, hesitated, didn't notice the defense give him a shot opportunity, and turned it over.
If true, I don't get it. He knows he's not going to be long for this team. He knows he's got fans calling for him to get minutes. Why not get out and play with some pride?
I thought he looked fine on the floor, just got roofed, cuz that's what happens to him a lot...
What an utter disgrace of a call to end on Westbrook to end tonight’s game in Portland. The officiating in NBA is a joke.
The Warriors Item of the Game is, say it with me Kelenna - 30% off in honor of those 30 pts off turnovers!
Lmao
Too familiar...
In the top 40 players in turnovers per game this season there are only two who also score in the single digits: Draymond Green and James Wiseman. One of the two is no longer in the league.
So you're saying Draymond... is in a League of his own? But seriously, can anyone hazard a guess as to why his passing seems to be off so much?
Because defenses know that he is not a threat to shoot, so they guard the passing lanes, and he almost always passes to one of two guys, so they can anticipate where he is going with the ball. It gets worse because he loves to try to thread the needle on passes that /he/ knows don't have much margin for error.
You remember how he took off years ago when the game slowed down for him? My guess is he’s reached a body age where it sped up on him.
To me, I just think Steph and Dray have not adjusted to the fact that everyone has long, quick wings these days.
Those passes that used to go through in 2016 because they were going past slow centers or small guards (and we had big wings to pass to) are now reversed.
We play small and the opponents have long defenders on the floor.
Good point.
Like anything that has been seen over and over, players adjust and Draymond can only adjust by not throwing the passes.
He simply is not good enough offensively to adapt other than to refrain.
That is also a huge problem for this team. Draymond being considered a star by Kerr when he is honestly well below average offensively and is not the younger Draymond defender anymore.
It’s been the strategy for challenging the Warriors (that and mauling Steph off ball) for years. But whereas there were only a select few teams who could pull it off in the dynasty years, now, as you note, the league has very much trended toward long and quick.
Seeing Moody, Post, and other role players miss wide open shots tonight was depressing. It reinforces the belief that our guys are getting high quality looks but can't knock them down. The only way to fix this is by making moves mid-season, but I don't know if other teams will want our guys who have trouble knocking down open shots.
It really was depressing. And yet Post was 16-37 from 3 for the 5 previous games. So he has been knocking them down a lot of the time. Even with tonight's awful shooting, he's 18-47 (38.3%) in the past 6 games.
Moody... not so much.
Slater made the point that the FO may just let this team play the season out, if we don't go on a winning streak. We are very close to that eventuality happening.
That's not the worst idea, really. It will be easier to find players that fit in the offseason. In the meantime, just get Post, Podz, Moody some experience.
I think JK is a goner regardless, but if we can get a better return by guaranteeing his contract and trading in the summer, fine (or perhaps by just getting some relief by walking away from his contract).
Not like this is a championship team. No point in throwing picks into a desperate attempt to be relevant.
Moody is starting to become very disappointing. You think he has finally arrived and he plays like bleep for awhile.
I guess that is the fate of a decent but not good NBA player, which the Warriors have a ton of.
Draymond is one of them. Kerr will let him live on his past but the present is not a good NBA player. He is still a good defender when fired up but his offense just brings the total player down too much. I would trade him in a heartbeat and begin the reality of now and the future and quit living in the past.
I didn't watch last 10 games. I can go the distance and go on watching soccer.
I only hope we trade Draymond
yep
Yes please. Draymond plus JK plus picks had to be worth something to someone.
I doubt any team wants Draymond plus Kuminga for the same reason we struggle with both of them: the fit between them is poor. Also, Draymond is more of a win now player, and Kuminga’s fit is best on a rebuilding team.
So, Dray + JK either has to be two separate trades, or a 3 team trade.
Good. They are way closer to a lottery team than a playoff team. Trade JB and JK. Keep the picks. Try to find some tall athletes in the offseason who can dribble and shoot.
That's going to make JB a very unhappy fellow.
and Steph. and me,
They can reorient the strategy into two kinds of games: games where they develop the young guys and games where they give Curry a chance to go off, set records, that sort of thing. If they play Steph every other game, he'll be fresh. Let him take 30 shots and see what happens. That 3PM record would be his...
Steph doesn't care about that crap, he wants to win another championship, and is still playing at the level where he could. If that's the attitude, I'd rather see him traded to an actual contender (though that obviously won't happen)
I think he would /need/ to be traded to a contender. Not sure what moves this team could make to become one quickly.
Don't be too sure. In an earlier interview, he mentioned focusing more on individual goals even though as a team they are still trying for a championship.
And I think that's just settling/accepting his reality
that will be depressing
How many times can a heart be broken, roughly?
Nobody knows the answer to that. Except there’s a maximum - 82. Once per game. So you’re already ahead.
Cute of you to assume they can't break your heart twice in the same game
You don’t wanna know
I am not some persistent anti-Kerr guy. I've had my frustrations with some of his choices but I've always stood by the idea that overall he's a great coach. His resume speaks for itself.
But just lately I'm starting to wonder if he's the coach for this team at this time. I'm not the first to say it, but hearing the same voice saying the same things for a long time means you tend to not react to it much.
It's also about schemes. I'm not close to ready to start the Explain Two Plays series because I don't know what's going on out there very professionally and Kerr does; but it does seem like at a certain point his fresh ideas became stale -- or at least, extremely well scouted.
There are plenty of other problems to go around -- roster construction, poor play by various players at various times -- so I am hardly laying all the blame at his feet.
But Kerr himself said it: he's had a poor year.
Is it time ... dare I say it? ... for him to go?
You ask, who would you put in his place? The obvious answer is Luke Walton. Remember that first time he sat in? He was outstanding. Other than that I got no ideas. Not Stotts. Maybe Stackhouse, maybe some dude from Greece, I have no idea.
I don't want to exaggerate and say that Kerr has "lost the locker room." He's well loved. Just: time for something new?
I guess from my perspective, Kerr’s system is statistically producing extremely high quality shots even while not having have shot creation beyond Curry/Butler. Our role players just aren’t finishing, I don’t think another coach would fix that.
I would much rather retain the coach who is generating really good “process” but average results than take a swing midseason. Instead of changing the coach, I’d much rather address roster flaws adding a shot creator like Thomas/Mccolum/Monk and bet that will improve results.
Thomas/McCollum/Monk? They're all good shot creators, I'm not knocking their skills, but they're all small guards. Hardly what we need. None of 'em have won much either but that's a team thing.
Unfortunately, wing shot creators are quite rare and most likely not available for the Warriors.
I take what we can get.
Where's LJ Cryer? Bring him up!
Definely roster construction would be my #1 issue if I had to rank - kerr’s in-game decisions sometimes frustrating but for me the biggest issue with him has been his inability to hold Draymond Green Accountable!
Do you mean now or the end of the season?
I mean about 12 games ago.
I wish he can make up a back injury and take a two week break and let Stotts run it for a bit.
If JK can have bilateral knee tendonitis (at 23!) so bad that he can't play for several games, Kerr can have back pain and need some time away.