I originally left this comment on the Warriors reddit page, but I'll leave it here too.
For purely selfish reasons I don't want the Warriors to get Gordon because my girlfriend thinks he's hot and I don't want to hear her say that about him every time we watch a game together.
Argh, I can’t find where someone wrote a comment saying AG isn’t 6’11” as I previously wrote — gotta talk to Substack about their “Reply” button from the email notifications. But yeah, I have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote that. AG is, per Google search, 6’8” with a 7-foot wingspan. My point was that he’s long, which is part of the Warriors’ (defensive) philosophy on obtaining players. Also maybe I was thinking wingspan. Or it was a simple brain fart. Anyways, glad someone pointed it out. Overall, gotta admit when the comments get a little flooded, I tend to tune out, so I haven’t kept up and like on Twitter, I don’t want to get dragged into a back-and-forth with a total stranger 🤷🏻♂️ but I appreciate people keeping it civil on here. I just hope most people realize that one of the better ways to have fun with the team is to just sit back and learn and understand how Bob/Joe/Kirk think, rather than poke holes every day including Sunday. And I do think when one has garnered 3 champs and 5 years, some people ought to let things go, just out of respect. That’s just common courtesy in real life and I would hope this website that we are part of is more reality than the quicksand from hell that is Twitter/IG/FB. Alright, I’ve said my peace; til the next scouting report...
The Magic played their final scrimmage tonight against the Nuggets without Aaron Gordon. Not only did Jonathon Isaac and Mo Bamba prosper in Gordon's minutes, but they actually managed to lead the whole game and seal the deal with a win. Gordon's fi with the Magic had always seemed questionable to me, but this directly indicates that the Orlando Magic are theoretically better when Aaron Gordon's NOT playing.
Now, am I completely insane? Am I evaluating a scrimmage game way too hard and concentrate less on what factors make a good team great? Perhaps. But I got a hunch and I'm not going to drop it anytime soon.
Hate to throw cold water on everything, but I don't think the Warriors are even going to make use of the TPE. Aside from the fact that they would have to give up a good draft pick to get somebody that they could trade (because they don't want to trade Curry, Thompson, Green, and Wiggins), adding a player with a $17m salary puts them well into the luxury tax even before you consider that the cap figures are likely to go down, perhaps significantly. There almost certainly won't be a full 2020-2021 season, so they can't recoup it in ticket and concession sales, and I have no idea what that means for the TV deals. Lacob and Gruber are rich dudes, but they didn't get that way by taking huge risks with marginal upside.
I have been all in on Aaron Gordon for a couple of years. And I believe it was last year that he came to Draymond's skills/leadership camp. Orlando has never been able to figure out what to do with him. As I've said before, pretty sure the Warriors would have no problem figuring it out.
To everyone saying we should pick up John Collins:
1) Why would Atlanta trade their second best (debatably) player in the first place? Before you say "Top 5 pick", remember that Atlanta has been making moves, most notably with adding Clint Capela, to indicate that they are transitioning from rebuilding to buying up for contention. This isn't the time for the Hawks to bulk up on draft picks, it's time for them to establish a young core (Trae, Collins, Capela, etc.) to raise up.
2) It makes no sense for a team to trade a success story for the possibility of making another success story. It'd be like if Memphis was like "alright Brandon Clarke is an All-Rookie 1st teamer, lets ship him to Boston for picks!
3) Assuming the Hawks DO move off of Collins, what do they get back? Certainly not any of our four core players. They are going to want established players. Maybe Paschall? I don't know if they'd view him as an upgrade.
My rant concluded, I want to point out that Collins is a remarkable player who would theoretically do really well in our system. That being said, it's completely illogical for the Hawks to trade this guy. Lets not forget the insane on-court chemistry that he has with Trae Young (the "best young duo"). That's my take.
How does a Gordon trade work tho ? Can’t use the Iggy exception because Gordon’s salary is is 19 while the exception is under 18 and you can’t send any players to make the numbers work because warriors are over the cap . Can’t trade Wiggins for him because then magic would be over the cap and frankly I think I would rather just keep Wiggins at this point .... unless it’s a trade that send Draymond I don’t see how you do it and I’d rather just keep Draymond 🤷🏻♂️
Great analysis: The more I think about it the better I feel about a potential Gordon fit into the rotation. The role he'd play is questionable though; Kerr would most likely be running Draymond more frequently at the 5.
The guy that I'm (curiously) more Interested in however is MCW. Assuming that thee Dubs won't pursue Curry's main backup in the draft, I'm convinced this is our guy. Good perimeter defense, can defend (most likely) three positions. More importantly is capable of running the offense while Steph and Dray are off the floor. Has also shown improvement in his shot this season. ,
I originally left this comment on the Warriors reddit page, but I'll leave it here too.
For purely selfish reasons I don't want the Warriors to get Gordon because my girlfriend thinks he's hot and I don't want to hear her say that about him every time we watch a game together.
Argh, I can’t find where someone wrote a comment saying AG isn’t 6’11” as I previously wrote — gotta talk to Substack about their “Reply” button from the email notifications. But yeah, I have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote that. AG is, per Google search, 6’8” with a 7-foot wingspan. My point was that he’s long, which is part of the Warriors’ (defensive) philosophy on obtaining players. Also maybe I was thinking wingspan. Or it was a simple brain fart. Anyways, glad someone pointed it out. Overall, gotta admit when the comments get a little flooded, I tend to tune out, so I haven’t kept up and like on Twitter, I don’t want to get dragged into a back-and-forth with a total stranger 🤷🏻♂️ but I appreciate people keeping it civil on here. I just hope most people realize that one of the better ways to have fun with the team is to just sit back and learn and understand how Bob/Joe/Kirk think, rather than poke holes every day including Sunday. And I do think when one has garnered 3 champs and 5 years, some people ought to let things go, just out of respect. That’s just common courtesy in real life and I would hope this website that we are part of is more reality than the quicksand from hell that is Twitter/IG/FB. Alright, I’ve said my peace; til the next scouting report...
Update on the pursuit of AG:
The Magic played their final scrimmage tonight against the Nuggets without Aaron Gordon. Not only did Jonathon Isaac and Mo Bamba prosper in Gordon's minutes, but they actually managed to lead the whole game and seal the deal with a win. Gordon's fi with the Magic had always seemed questionable to me, but this directly indicates that the Orlando Magic are theoretically better when Aaron Gordon's NOT playing.
Now, am I completely insane? Am I evaluating a scrimmage game way too hard and concentrate less on what factors make a good team great? Perhaps. But I got a hunch and I'm not going to drop it anytime soon.
Hate to throw cold water on everything, but I don't think the Warriors are even going to make use of the TPE. Aside from the fact that they would have to give up a good draft pick to get somebody that they could trade (because they don't want to trade Curry, Thompson, Green, and Wiggins), adding a player with a $17m salary puts them well into the luxury tax even before you consider that the cap figures are likely to go down, perhaps significantly. There almost certainly won't be a full 2020-2021 season, so they can't recoup it in ticket and concession sales, and I have no idea what that means for the TV deals. Lacob and Gruber are rich dudes, but they didn't get that way by taking huge risks with marginal upside.
I have been all in on Aaron Gordon for a couple of years. And I believe it was last year that he came to Draymond's skills/leadership camp. Orlando has never been able to figure out what to do with him. As I've said before, pretty sure the Warriors would have no problem figuring it out.
To everyone saying we should pick up John Collins:
1) Why would Atlanta trade their second best (debatably) player in the first place? Before you say "Top 5 pick", remember that Atlanta has been making moves, most notably with adding Clint Capela, to indicate that they are transitioning from rebuilding to buying up for contention. This isn't the time for the Hawks to bulk up on draft picks, it's time for them to establish a young core (Trae, Collins, Capela, etc.) to raise up.
2) It makes no sense for a team to trade a success story for the possibility of making another success story. It'd be like if Memphis was like "alright Brandon Clarke is an All-Rookie 1st teamer, lets ship him to Boston for picks!
3) Assuming the Hawks DO move off of Collins, what do they get back? Certainly not any of our four core players. They are going to want established players. Maybe Paschall? I don't know if they'd view him as an upgrade.
My rant concluded, I want to point out that Collins is a remarkable player who would theoretically do really well in our system. That being said, it's completely illogical for the Hawks to trade this guy. Lets not forget the insane on-court chemistry that he has with Trae Young (the "best young duo"). That's my take.
How does a Gordon trade work tho ? Can’t use the Iggy exception because Gordon’s salary is is 19 while the exception is under 18 and you can’t send any players to make the numbers work because warriors are over the cap . Can’t trade Wiggins for him because then magic would be over the cap and frankly I think I would rather just keep Wiggins at this point .... unless it’s a trade that send Draymond I don’t see how you do it and I’d rather just keep Draymond 🤷🏻♂️
Best case scenario this off season:
-Sam's proposal of nabbing Aaron Gordon (basically a 3 team trade)...
-Flip our top 5 pick to the Hawks for John Collins
-MLE goes to MCW
-vet min to GRIII
Health permitting, that would result in another Larry for the Dubz
Great analysis: The more I think about it the better I feel about a potential Gordon fit into the rotation. The role he'd play is questionable though; Kerr would most likely be running Draymond more frequently at the 5.
The guy that I'm (curiously) more Interested in however is MCW. Assuming that thee Dubs won't pursue Curry's main backup in the draft, I'm convinced this is our guy. Good perimeter defense, can defend (most likely) three positions. More importantly is capable of running the offense while Steph and Dray are off the floor. Has also shown improvement in his shot this season. ,
I just realized the title(s) are wrong. AG can’t actually be signed as a FA, oops.