+18 free throw attempts, for an almost shockingly low .435 TS.
Apparently there have only been *nine* less efficient 40+ point games in NBA history. Five of them were by Wilt (likely in games where he bricked eight zillion FTs), two by Rick Barry, one by Elgin Baylor and — the only one in remotely recent history — by, you guessed it, Kobe.
Right after Aaron Gordon put up (literally) the most efficient 50-point game in NBA history against us. Fun times…
Should also note that, wild scoring inefficiency aside, that was a pretty freaking incredible by night by Cade on a road segababa. 12 rebounds, 11 assists, 5 steals. Tim Bontemps recently posited on the Hoop Collective podcast that Cade might now be the second best player in the East after Giannis, or at least in the convo with Brunson and Spida.
Go Pistons! 9-2 start. Remember when they lost 29 games in a row, like, yesterday?
Ok, ownership doesn't want to pay a hamburger afficionado building up a pablo sandoval body $71 mil a year on a supermax. So GM deals him in a faintly plausibly quality way (it is not). Now they're gonna eject him for his "screwup". Whose job is being protected when you fire the GM? There's more than one way to kangz, this is doin' it texas-style.
I do not approve of the doncic-AD trade, but blaming the guy who did it is setting you up for a decade-plus of having the dregs of the league in your front office. That's kangzing.
I have no problem with this. Even fans could tell this was a ridiculous and smelly deal. If they had to deal Doncic--already a questionable proposition given that he had just led them to an NBA Finals--then you open it up and let the bidding begin. You don't make a hush-hush, secret deal with one team. The fact that what they got back for him player-wise was the oft-injured, aging Anthony Davis was GM malpractice. It wasn't just that Harrison made the trade but /how/ he made the trade that should get him fired.
It's true that ownership had to sign off on the deal and so bears part of the blame. But the way they accept responsibility is by firing the GM and getting someone more competent. Harrison was hired to offer expert counsel. If he thought trading Doncic was a bad idea, he should have insisted that they NOT trade him. If he thought this particular trade was not a good one, he should have canvassed the league for a better one--and one surely could have been found in this case. He deserves to lose his job.
As for what will happen with the Mavericks, that is truly not my concern. I feel for Klay, but he made that bed.
What I read is that the owners were new, trusted the GM.
they may have just been naive, rather than just impatient, a poor judge of talent, and wonkily dumb at setting priorities (a la Ranadive).
Nico had an interview where he said that when he pitched it to either the president or the owner, they laughed (I saw that one). He could still be protecting the owner, but that's a pretty specific thing to say. It may have been his idea.
Would a JK/Podz for Wiggs work financially? I feel it would be best for their young careers if they were coached by Spoelstra. And Wiggs coming back would be awesome
Too soon to ship out Podz. His salary (at least until extension) is low for a guy who contributes as much to the team and his ceiling (in my opinion, anyway) is quite high.
I feel ya. I threw in Podz as a “sweetener” cuz I feel that would avoid having to give away any 1st rounders. But yea, for all the shit Podz gets, I agree he has a pretty nice ceiling
Darn it I completely missed out on using this in the video title
[[
Richard spoke with 95.7 The Game, based out of San Francisco, and spoke on how he is fitting in with the team and revealed what nickname his new teammates have given him:
"They call Al [Horford] 'Big Gator,' so I'm 'Baby Gator' right now. It's either 'Rook' or 'Baby Gator.'"
No one wearing a Mavs jersey in this picture. Just one kid showing up to apologize to Mavs owner for being rude earlier this year...in a Luka Lakers jersey.
I would never get over it if I were a Mavs fan. It'd basically be like the Warriors trading Steph after 2015 (his age 26 season) for 32 y.o. Tyson Chandler. Just mind-numbingly cray-cray.
I was for the Bucks, but what a bullshit ending. Flagg was taking over the game, with two straight great takes in the last couple minutes to put them in the lead. Then down 1 on the final possession they pass to him again at the top, and Kuzma fully grabs him by the jersey and throws him to the ground. NO CALL. Bucks convert an easy runout the other way, game effectively over.
the effing lakers are 8-3 and lebron has not played a single game - just contrast that to — us - this season is looking like a real new research problem
really - they are way ahead of us in the current season record - are we even going to get to 47 wins this season for the play-in - in serious jeopardy now that we are 6-5 currently!
No, really: 1 or 2 games is not "way ahead of us."
They're also #15 in the league by net rating at +1.6 (the Warriors are #12) which suggests their record may have a large component of pulling horseshoes out of their asses, and is unlikely to be sustainable.
But... why are you slurping the Lakers? I must have missed that class at Dub Fan Academy.
The '22 Eastern Champion Celtics started out 25-25 ... then closed the season 26-6, grabbed the #2 seed, and crushed all comers and were up 2-1 in the Finals until the Steph supernova.
Loads of examples like that, I just picked that one cos I enjoy thinking about '22.
even the wizzles figured out post 2022 dribble, dribble, dribble, chuck or pass at under 5 seconds poole is not a positive NBA player.
Rollins showed nothing in his first year in the NBA, with the dubs, takes a tortuous path with a detour through the criminal justice system to being a decent player year 5. you want to hang that on the dubs FO?
And doing that saved $30M the next season when we waived CP3, as apparently was always the plan, and that got us below the tax apron and saved a freakin' fortune. Meanwhile Poole hasn't exactly torn up the league, and Rollins looks really good for at least 3 or 4 games but you couldn't see that coming.
In 22, Poole was a helluva player. A perfect guy to have with Steph and Klay. Even with his bleep defense he was FUN. He was cocky and outrageous but the guy could score.
The punch destroyed that instant offense guy. He was different and never a dull moment. If I remember he was likeable too. I honestly wish that 2022 guy never left, but unfortunately that all died.
My theory is that the Cavs knew Wings had already surpassed the 17-point mark (he had 19 at the start of the play) so they just assumed he'd gotten his and wouldn't factor in the play.
i am worried that we are going to be 0-3 in the next 3 games - OKC - SA - SA - if we come back winning even 3 games in the next 8, it will be something
Shockingly (or not) Kobe's up there a lot, and the only one with 50 attempts in a game. MJ with 49, Brunson with 47. Chris Webber with a monster 24/47 shooting game (and 26 rebounds, too).
Warriors do it for obvious reasons. Jimmy-Dray-Trey just fits super nicely in a way Jimmy-Dray-JK does not; and Trey obviates Buddy, who has already basically been obviated with the emergence of Richard and imminent arrival of Seth.
Pels do it because … no idea lol. But as bad a move as it might be it’s not 1/10th as bad as giving up an unprotected first rounder in this year’s stacked draft to move up from #23 to #13 in last year’s draft. So who knows what Dumars is thinking.
Yeah … not happening. But a smallball 5 of Steph-Moody-Jimmy-Trey-Dray/Horford (with Melton, Podz, Richard, Dray/Horford, Post off the bench) is pretty fun to dream on.
Posting this as a reply for the purpose of keeping trade talk quarantined in this part of the thread. But with apologies for the change of subject…
SAC gets: Morant ($39.4 M)
MEM gets: Kuminga ($22.5 M), Schröder ($14.1 M), Saric ($5.4 M), 2 FRPs (from Kings)
GSW gets: Monk ($18.8 M), Wells ($2.0 M)
Sac does it because they already regret the Fox trade.
Warriors do it because they need one more self-creator, and because Wells is arguably an upgrade on Kuminga in terms of what this specific team wants from its wings.
Memphis probably doesn’t do it. (Three years for Schröder…yikes.) But IF they do it, it’s because they are desperate to move on from Morant, and because the combination of Coward’s emergence and Wells’ slow start has caused them to re-think the depth chart. They sell high on Wells, who was found money in the second round of a bad draft anyway, and get Kuminga instead, who offers athletic upside and a good fit with Coward and JJJ. More to the point, they get better picks than were on offer elsewhere, and use them to launch a soft-rebuild.
[A more complicated, and more Grizz-friendly, version of this deal might involve DeRozan and KCP being swapped between Memphis and Sac, instead of Saric’s inclusion. This would help even out the long term $, but I didn’t choose that version because DeRozan remains effective enough that I thought the Kings would insist on keeping him as a deadline piece.
Another alternate version would have Vince Williams Jr. in place of Wells. That version also seems more realistic from Memphis’s point of view, but far less appealing from ours.]
Dear Christ. The Kings signed Schroder to a 3-year deal? I didn't know that. That fricking team.
I get that they have to overpay a bit to get free agents, and they were desperate for PG, but $45 mil to watch Schroder run your team into the ground is a bit much.
No idea about whether NOP would accept the trade, but this year's draft class is projected to be insane, especially at the top. Even our FRP might be very valuable as part of a trade-up for a lottery team. I could definitely see us doing what we did with Butler (trade 1 FRP and probably JK+ for a good player who might be nearing the end of his run with another team).
That’s probably fair. But if we keep Buddy, and this Richard we’ve seen is even 50% for real, I have no idea what possible use we have for Seth. Sending out Buddy would at least clear a few minutes for Steph’s lil bro.
Cade Cunningham had 46 points on 45 shots. LOL.
Come on man....
+18 free throw attempts, for an almost shockingly low .435 TS.
Apparently there have only been *nine* less efficient 40+ point games in NBA history. Five of them were by Wilt (likely in games where he bricked eight zillion FTs), two by Rick Barry, one by Elgin Baylor and — the only one in remotely recent history — by, you guessed it, Kobe.
Right after Aaron Gordon put up (literally) the most efficient 50-point game in NBA history against us. Fun times…
But Cade got the win. Gordon didn’t.
Indeed!
…
Should also note that, wild scoring inefficiency aside, that was a pretty freaking incredible by night by Cade on a road segababa. 12 rebounds, 11 assists, 5 steals. Tim Bontemps recently posited on the Hoop Collective podcast that Cade might now be the second best player in the East after Giannis, or at least in the convo with Brunson and Spida.
Go Pistons! 9-2 start. Remember when they lost 29 games in a row, like, yesterday?
Didn't expect the Clippers to start below .500 after the first 10 games of the season.
I was just told the Warriors (6-5) are “way” behind the Lakers (8-3), so let it be known that the 3-7 Clippers are actually *way* below .500. 😂
And their schedule doesn't get any easier. After playing against the Nuggets on Wednesday, they have a 7-game road trip:
11/14- @ Mavs
11/16- @ Celtics
11/17- @ 76ers
11/20- @ Magic
11/22- @ Hornets
11/23- @ Cavs
11/25- @ Lakers
He's been out for a few games.
Ok, ownership doesn't want to pay a hamburger afficionado building up a pablo sandoval body $71 mil a year on a supermax. So GM deals him in a faintly plausibly quality way (it is not). Now they're gonna eject him for his "screwup". Whose job is being protected when you fire the GM? There's more than one way to kangz, this is doin' it texas-style.
I do not approve of the doncic-AD trade, but blaming the guy who did it is setting you up for a decade-plus of having the dregs of the league in your front office. That's kangzing.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25288661-nico-harrison-firing-timeline-predicted-mavs-insider-matter-when-not-if
I have no problem with this. Even fans could tell this was a ridiculous and smelly deal. If they had to deal Doncic--already a questionable proposition given that he had just led them to an NBA Finals--then you open it up and let the bidding begin. You don't make a hush-hush, secret deal with one team. The fact that what they got back for him player-wise was the oft-injured, aging Anthony Davis was GM malpractice. It wasn't just that Harrison made the trade but /how/ he made the trade that should get him fired.
It's true that ownership had to sign off on the deal and so bears part of the blame. But the way they accept responsibility is by firing the GM and getting someone more competent. Harrison was hired to offer expert counsel. If he thought trading Doncic was a bad idea, he should have insisted that they NOT trade him. If he thought this particular trade was not a good one, he should have canvassed the league for a better one--and one surely could have been found in this case. He deserves to lose his job.
As for what will happen with the Mavericks, that is truly not my concern. I feel for Klay, but he made that bed.
What I read is that the owners were new, trusted the GM.
they may have just been naive, rather than just impatient, a poor judge of talent, and wonkily dumb at setting priorities (a la Ranadive).
Nico had an interview where he said that when he pitched it to either the president or the owner, they laughed (I saw that one). He could still be protecting the owner, but that's a pretty specific thing to say. It may have been his idea.
Would a JK/Podz for Wiggs work financially? I feel it would be best for their young careers if they were coached by Spoelstra. And Wiggs coming back would be awesome
Too soon to ship out Podz. His salary (at least until extension) is low for a guy who contributes as much to the team and his ceiling (in my opinion, anyway) is quite high.
I am now honestly considering who has a better future, Podz or Richard?
Who would I add to a Kuminga trade for example.
I feel ya. I threw in Podz as a “sweetener” cuz I feel that would avoid having to give away any 1st rounders. But yea, for all the shit Podz gets, I agree he has a pretty nice ceiling
Darn it I completely missed out on using this in the video title
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Richard spoke with 95.7 The Game, based out of San Francisco, and spoke on how he is fitting in with the team and revealed what nickname his new teammates have given him:
"They call Al [Horford] 'Big Gator,' so I'm 'Baby Gator' right now. It's either 'Rook' or 'Baby Gator.'"
]]
https://hailfloridahail.com/florida-favorite-will-richard-unveils-his-new-nickname-with-golden-state
what's wrong with rook gator?
But I still like Old Man Length for Al. He's got some big shoes to fill.
They better get rid of that dude in Dallas. The fans are not getting over the trade.
No one wearing a Mavs jersey in this picture. Just one kid showing up to apologize to Mavs owner for being rude earlier this year...in a Luka Lakers jersey.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1otyjed/which_one_of_you_did_this/
I would never get over it if I were a Mavs fan. It'd basically be like the Warriors trading Steph after 2015 (his age 26 season) for 32 y.o. Tyson Chandler. Just mind-numbingly cray-cray.
I'd say closer to trading Steph for a 32 yr old KG or Bosh
I’d say more like trading for 37-38 year old KG (his actual age in 2014-15) since AD’s physical age seems a lot farther advanced than his actual age.
Bosh was 30 in 2014-15. That’s actually a pretty good comp, as even though he wasn’t old, he was starting to break down.
what a game in dallas - bucks beat the mavs 116-114 - down to the last play! Klay seems a non factor - sad!
I was for the Bucks, but what a bullshit ending. Flagg was taking over the game, with two straight great takes in the last couple minutes to put them in the lead. Then down 1 on the final possession they pass to him again at the top, and Kuzma fully grabs him by the jersey and throws him to the ground. NO CALL. Bucks convert an easy runout the other way, game effectively over.
the effing lakers are 8-3 and lebron has not played a single game - just contrast that to — us - this season is looking like a real new research problem
> just contrast that to us
A two-game difference — or effectively one game, since we kicked their asses and own the tiebreak?
really - they are way ahead of us in the current season record - are we even going to get to 47 wins this season for the play-in - in serious jeopardy now that we are 6-5 currently!
No, really: 1 or 2 games is not "way ahead of us."
They're also #15 in the league by net rating at +1.6 (the Warriors are #12) which suggests their record may have a large component of pulling horseshoes out of their asses, and is unlikely to be sustainable.
But... why are you slurping the Lakers? I must have missed that class at Dub Fan Academy.
It's a long season and a 6-5 start isn't cause for concern.
Well, I think /some/ concern is warranted. But it's certainly not dispositive. Lots of games to play...
The '22 Eastern Champion Celtics started out 25-25 ... then closed the season 26-6, grabbed the #2 seed, and crushed all comers and were up 2-1 in the Finals until the Steph supernova.
Loads of examples like that, I just picked that one cos I enjoy thinking about '22.
As do we all.
- lets check in after the next 10 game stretch - it will be a quarter if the season by then!
I don't think the next 10 will be much different. We will see when the schedule softens plus when Melton comes back
Lakers have Luka. That's why. Still can't believe the Mavs pulled off an incredibly lopsided trade that gave Lakers their superstar.
and our great FO sent of poole and rollins for Cp3 - it was Kerr and MDJ
even the wizzles figured out post 2022 dribble, dribble, dribble, chuck or pass at under 5 seconds poole is not a positive NBA player.
Rollins showed nothing in his first year in the NBA, with the dubs, takes a tortuous path with a detour through the criminal justice system to being a decent player year 5. you want to hang that on the dubs FO?
JFC. Every front office in NBA history are morons if you're going to compare every random move they make to the Luka trade.
Stop whining. ;-P
so you really want to compare Nikp harris to MDJ - yeah, that makes a lot of sense
You're making the comparisons, champ.
your brought up the FO - but thats fine - as you said - every FO is morons ...
And doing that saved $30M the next season when we waived CP3, as apparently was always the plan, and that got us below the tax apron and saved a freakin' fortune. Meanwhile Poole hasn't exactly torn up the league, and Rollins looks really good for at least 3 or 4 games but you couldn't see that coming.
sure did - and we certainly have a great team for the 30m$ we saved!
So you're suggesting we should have kept Poole with his fat new deal and gone over the 2nd apron, with all the limitations that imposes?
In 22, Poole was a helluva player. A perfect guy to have with Steph and Klay. Even with his bleep defense he was FUN. He was cocky and outrageous but the guy could score.
The punch destroyed that instant offense guy. He was different and never a dull moment. If I remember he was likeable too. I honestly wish that 2022 guy never left, but unfortunately that all died.
Heat beat the Cavs 140-138 in OT
so cool seeing wiggs’ big cheshire cat grin.
And here's the game-winning shot. Heat caught the Cavs sleeping on defense.
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1otz4rp/highlight_andrew_wiggins_lob_jam_for_the_game/
How did they ever let Wiggs run unimpeded to the basket?
Boy, that's a nifty play. Let's run that one for Will Richard.
That was a great play!
My theory is that the Cavs knew Wings had already surpassed the 17-point mark (he had 19 at the start of the play) so they just assumed he'd gotten his and wouldn't factor in the play.
Love that it was Wiggins!
Flagg outscoring Giannis. Dallas up 8 in the late 3rd
and HTF does Dallas have an all green uni - thats against the stupid state of texass model
Their 90s? green unis were sweet.
92-79 - Mavs up with 10:25 in the 4th
Wemby - wow - hits back to back 3’s to put the spurs ahead of the bulls with less than 40 seconds to go!
i am worried that we are going to be 0-3 in the next 3 games - OKC - SA - SA - if we come back winning even 3 games in the next 8, it will be something
i'm not sure why but the magnum PI thing still gets me. Dom. Dom. Dom!
Yeah, don't get tired of that. And I had not heard "Screenager" before. Already my daughter has threatened me if I let my wife learn that word.
Cade on a segababa…
48 pts, 12 reb, 11 ast, 5 stl, 2 blk
Game not over yet, but have a night, young man!
Team record 45 fga
On 31% shooting...
It's over, but not before the Pistons missed 2 clutch FT's in a row, but CJ missed a layup to send it to 2OT
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fga_game.html
Shockingly (or not) Kobe's up there a lot, and the only one with 50 attempts in a game. MJ with 49, Brunson with 47. Chris Webber with a monster 24/47 shooting game (and 26 rebounds, too).
Edit: Dejounte Murray last year 18-44
How about...
JK and Buddy for Wiggins?
It works in the Spotrac trade machine...
send podz and gp2 as well and get something better back
GP2 is a minimum, Podz salary is low, they don't really move the needle.
but they will move the team to a more positive play
For entertainment purposes only…
Pels get: Kuminga ($22.5M), Hield ($9.2M) one FRP
Warriors get: Trey Murphy ($25M), Bey ($6.1M)
Warriors do it for obvious reasons. Jimmy-Dray-Trey just fits super nicely in a way Jimmy-Dray-JK does not; and Trey obviates Buddy, who has already basically been obviated with the emergence of Richard and imminent arrival of Seth.
Pels do it because … no idea lol. But as bad a move as it might be it’s not 1/10th as bad as giving up an unprotected first rounder in this year’s stacked draft to move up from #23 to #13 in last year’s draft. So who knows what Dumars is thinking.
Yeah … not happening. But a smallball 5 of Steph-Moody-Jimmy-Trey-Dray/Horford (with Melton, Podz, Richard, Dray/Horford, Post off the bench) is pretty fun to dream on.
Posting this as a reply for the purpose of keeping trade talk quarantined in this part of the thread. But with apologies for the change of subject…
SAC gets: Morant ($39.4 M)
MEM gets: Kuminga ($22.5 M), Schröder ($14.1 M), Saric ($5.4 M), 2 FRPs (from Kings)
GSW gets: Monk ($18.8 M), Wells ($2.0 M)
Sac does it because they already regret the Fox trade.
Warriors do it because they need one more self-creator, and because Wells is arguably an upgrade on Kuminga in terms of what this specific team wants from its wings.
Memphis probably doesn’t do it. (Three years for Schröder…yikes.) But IF they do it, it’s because they are desperate to move on from Morant, and because the combination of Coward’s emergence and Wells’ slow start has caused them to re-think the depth chart. They sell high on Wells, who was found money in the second round of a bad draft anyway, and get Kuminga instead, who offers athletic upside and a good fit with Coward and JJJ. More to the point, they get better picks than were on offer elsewhere, and use them to launch a soft-rebuild.
[A more complicated, and more Grizz-friendly, version of this deal might involve DeRozan and KCP being swapped between Memphis and Sac, instead of Saric’s inclusion. This would help even out the long term $, but I didn’t choose that version because DeRozan remains effective enough that I thought the Kings would insist on keeping him as a deadline piece.
Another alternate version would have Vince Williams Jr. in place of Wells. That version also seems more realistic from Memphis’s point of view, but far less appealing from ours.]
Dear Christ. The Kings signed Schroder to a 3-year deal? I didn't know that. That fricking team.
I get that they have to overpay a bit to get free agents, and they were desperate for PG, but $45 mil to watch Schroder run your team into the ground is a bit much.
This would be one of the greatest trades in GSW history
Dumars might just go for it just to be like "I got a 1st round pick for this year back AND a future all star in JK. Are you not entertained?!"
No idea about whether NOP would accept the trade, but this year's draft class is projected to be insane, especially at the top. Even our FRP might be very valuable as part of a trade-up for a lottery team. I could definitely see us doing what we did with Butler (trade 1 FRP and probably JK+ for a good player who might be nearing the end of his run with another team).
And we don’t need first rounders anyway because we get our studs in the second round.
> Buddy, who has already basically been obviated with the emergence of Richard and imminent arrival of Seth.
Nah
*basically
At least close enough where the addition of Trey would totally obviate him, no?
Getting Trey, yes. Without him, no.
That’s probably fair. But if we keep Buddy, and this Richard we’ve seen is even 50% for real, I have no idea what possible use we have for Seth. Sending out Buddy would at least clear a few minutes for Steph’s lil bro.
Even if we just get THIS Richard, WGBC
Injury insurance plus needing to rest old guys.
Seth is yet another old guy. He's 35.
I've wondered from the start why we need Seth, especially considering his lack of size and weak D. Prove me wrong Seth.