Im really trying not to rehash that 2020 draft but that was an all time dud. Nick Richards was the last Center taken (middle of 2nd round). He recently signed a contract extension for 3 yrs/15 mil. The only PF/C currently out of the league from thar draft class is Daniel Otoru.
On the flip side James Wisemans NBA career never stood a chance. Someone early on asked me who Wiseman’s ceiling could be and I said Poor Mans Andre Ayton. Then Ayton ends up under the tutelage of a coach in Monty who doesn’t prioritize a scoring Center. Then we trade Wiseman to Detroit where hes firmly behind an absolute beast in Duren, Isaiah Stewart (when not lined with Duren), and Bagley (a much better offensive player) with Monty as their coach.
Wish JW the best man i really do. I was completely against the pick since Day 1 but i didnt see a plus sized Jacob Evans. I saw someone that would need 3-5 full seasons to become a good Center in this league. still think someone gonna throw our a 6-7!mill a year contract at him but at this point his best bet is to learn how to become a adept rebounder and defender with the occasional 3 point pick and pop.
I did. It was that. The problem is that Ngannu is slightly better than anyone else in his position from
mMA going to boxing. Then Fury was no Floyd Mayweather Jr. He did not take his opponent serious enough. Out of shape and Maybe going 30 percent. If Fury is even 60 percent and/or he just boxes like he knows this fight is over in 2
He might be and definitely has that ‘look’. But I’ve given him more slack after seeing how Draymond seems to respect him and after he took getting absolutely demolished by the Wiggins playoff dunk in stride.
I don't know if he's an asshole. I think that having a grin while clowning fools, or arguing calls, are very much on court behaviors that tell me pretty much nothing about a human being off court.
A lot of euro players throughout the years haven't really come off as assholes to me, more workman-like. Luka seems like one because he's Luka fuckin Doncic and he kills teams with a smug look on his face
What percent of a team's success is due to the accumulative effects of fans like us? Presume we don't go to games much, but we do speak our minds online, which somehow through the magic of the internet filters in the direction of the team.
A. Noise in the stadium works both ways. That said, it has always surprised me that basketball has a much, much larger home court advantage than baseball where the fields are intentionally irregular sized.
Firstly, we have a considerable effect in terms of the loudness of our crowd/consistency in us traveling with the team to away games which helps contribute to wins.
Secondly, we have an influence in terms of our ticket/merchandise sales because the more we financially support our team, the more an owner like Lacob is willing to dip into the luxury tax to retain the dynasty. If fans don't make maintaining high quality teams profitable, owners won't do it.
Thirdly, and perhaps leastly, we contribute to the media buzz around the team which can filter down into the player/coach consciousness. Players are human and they hear what the fanbase is speaking about them and that can definitely affect their mental and through that their performance.
I like the guy a lot and wish him well. At the same time, I'm also enjoying the relative lack of live ball turnovers in the middle of the court that culminate in easy dunks on the other end.
I gotta say, that is pretty special. 😊 Normally in look-away threes, the shooter has given a sufficiently long peek to know it’s perfectly on line. When they miss, it’s usually like the classic Swaggy miss where it’s halfway down and pops out. For JP to style that much for a shot that wasn’t all that close (he fully catches the back rim) is pretty high comedy, imo.
On the other hand, at my most charitable, very charitable, a shooter's momentum in that position does sort of pivot toward the bench. And the shooter is extremely out of position to do anything but head back on defense -- of either a make or miss. It's not like he's getting the rebound.
Then again -- DON'T DO THAT, JORDAN.
Hey I got a question. Are we going to become bitter Jordan Poole haters here or gently wish him well? Is there a consensus? I just want to get along with the crowd here. What's the plan?
Other regulars who actually post basketball related comments thoughtfully should hold more sway than my little vote here
Personally I liked JP’s sillyness and loving hugs and enthusiasm. It was weapnized joy… til he got punched. I didnt like his energy as much after that (probably not his fault). I’d like to see him do well.
James Wiseman seems like just such a nice kid. I hope he learns how to be an nba level basketball player.
I think I only actively root against the super villains (like brooks, and anyone in a lakers uniform)
I'm pretty sure I've seen at least three different people say its "the Jordan Poole experience" or something similar to Poole's recent inefficient nights.
And its like . . . no its not? Over the last three years of his career, Poole has had a TS% of 58%. That is a 4% increase over the league average TS% for SG of 56% (quite efficient). His current 48 TS% is INCREDIBLY far away from the Jordan Poole experience but I guess haters gonna hate.
His TS last season was .573. League average was .581; league average for a SG was .571.
In the playoffs last season (in a smallish sample) he put up a TS of .447. The playoffs before that, he put up .654.
Overall, he’s been an average-ish efficiency scorer prone to stretches of extreme hotness and coldness. In that context, .477 TS — in a very small, three-game sample — seems like part of the Jordan Poole experience?
How can you say overall he’s been an average-ish efficiency scorer AND then only use last years efficiency. Purposefully ignoring the larger sample size for a smaller one that serves your agenda is cherry picking at its finest in order to try and shit on Poole.
Last year he was inefficient in the playoffs, but in 2021 he had a sterling 65.4 TS%. Overall he’s had a 58.2 TS%. Once again, you cherry picked focusing on a single playoff run to serve a haters agenda.
Finally, did u really try to characterize a 13 playoff game sample size as “The Jordan Poole experience” instead of the entirety of his recent playing career? You're just digging yourself more and more into a whole every time you post.
Rooting for him. I have reached the acceptance phase on the trade (once I heard he requested one).
Since it doesn't seem like he has much interest in fixing his defense, it's fine he's not here. But, I hope he does well, and some other title contender commits a max to him. :)
Just a rumor that he requested a trade privately after the team did not discipline Draymond much. It was mentioned in the comments here ... it was not widely reported, so possibly (perhaps even probably) wrong. I did not see the source of the rumor.
Far be it for me to correct Master Apricot but I think you mis-read Podz’ night-night polarity switch. It’s not about “feel for the game.” In fact it’s something far more important and more predictive of future Podz glory. Instead this is a demonstration of rapid learning and commitment to continuous improvement. Podz des the move wrong, looks at Steph - learning in real time from the friendly neighborhood GOAT - and then corrects himself. The True Dub is always looking to get better, always willing to be wrong, acknowledging imperfection and then advancing to the next level. Go Podz.
I thought it might be a lefty/righty thing but since TJD chose the proper side, it's probably just a very correctable (as shown in the video) rookie mistake.
On a side note, I don't recall a lot of bench celebrations featuring "night night" last year. Of course, there weren't as many E1Ps last year either :)
Hoping Eric paces himself this year. What's the league rest policy on E1Ps?
Some love for Mo from the Chronicle this morning. Dude just gets it, imo:
“It was definitely hard, especially last year,” Moody told the Chronicle. “I don’t want to talk like I made it to the promise land, because there’s going to be highs and lows. But I wouldn’t want it to be any other way though. The hard way is the best way — you learn the most that way. And as long as you learn those lessons you can grow from that, or you can be damaged from it. But as long as you grow and take those lessons, you remember how you felt when you were in that position, and when you work to get something you appreciate it that much more.”
Looking forward to the Dubs destroying other teams' second units all season, and I'm guessing the "trade MM and JK for an old vet" chatter is going to be pretty dead by the trade deadline.
I read the comments on The King's Herald about the last game:
1. 115 comments in the game thread. Hell, we've had haiku threads go that long.
2. They feel like Curry is getting a very friendly whistle (big surprise, since he was shooting over 70%).
3. There are at least a few commentators who were very annoyed at Davion Mitchell's defense on Steph (Steph cooked him a couple of times). The most favorable! comment said that his ceiling is Patrick Beverley.
4. They are kinder to HB than we are ... there was a "they need to get HB the ball more" comment, but otherwise, nothing negative.
5. Lots of Steph Haterade.
Always interesting to go see how another fanbase views the game.
Huerter is our Klay. If he’s not shooting well he’s a bum. I think Klay is more than that and I have no idea what value Huerter brings other than potentially elite shooting.
Mitchell is.. honestly… just not that good and low upside. If he can learn to shoot.. not holding my breath.
I am SO glad we didn't draft him. There was quite a bit of chatter about what an elite defender he was. I didn't want another short guy. In the end, we picked up GPII.
Of course, now we have CP3, so another short guy - but he plays much bigger on both ends and is seeming to fit really, really well.
Yeah, same on the King's Herald. I forgot to mention Huerter, but there was a lot of negativity. To their credit, though, there were a couple of guys pushing back, and saying it's early in the season.
Something I'm contemplating: One of the things that makes this work is that Huerter seems to know what's coming and hustles to beat that down screen (and apparently give a quick lap dance). I am postulating that if we know these stock Warriors plays, everyone else in the NBA does, also. In american football, good OCs have counter's to their base plays to take advantage of the opposing defense setting up for the base play. I feel like this play worked, in part, because the Kings know the Klay play and tried to stop it and then we did something different and they were not quite able to recover.
First, as always i am impressed by NBA calibre players' - and the Warriors' in particular - ability to flow into an improvisation, jazz musician like from, a broken set into something else.
Still, sometimes they hit a wrong chord and I wonder if Kerr and co. could, should, or maybe already are developing counters like this turned out to be. I guess they would have to decide verbally during a stoppage: "hey, fist raised isn't the Klay play until the next stoppage. Now it's (insert counter that takes advantage of teams expecting the Klay play)".
I don't see this stuff well at game speed, but I'm going to try to start watching for this to see if they seem to have any intentional variations as the season progresses.
Also I 100% agree that other teams know the Klay play. It would be malpractice to not know that Warriors play. Every team sends scouts to chart every other team’s plays as well as the play call (which we often can’t see on TV). Teams actually have a detente where they give tickets to each other’s scouts.
Is there an allowance for these read-and-react type counter plays for every player on the team? We've seen balls thrown to spots where a player should have been so it seems pretty rigid.
I once asked Zaza Pachulia if certain plays had scripted reads, and he said every Warrior is allowed to read and react on every play. Which makes sense if you think about it.
Game thread: https://dubnationhq.com/p/game-3-gsw-houston-podziemski-interview
Catching up on these late but this was a classic, thank you EA! #nightnightpolarity
Crap!
I almost forgot it's an early game tonight (4PM Pacific).
< ponders how important it is to pass his Spanish test due today >
Ce n'est pas important
Danke für der Ratschlag.
Is he or she available for the next six weeks or so? :)
Dude, Eric, this e1p got 92k views?!
You are deservedly an internet/youtube rockstar
Thank goodness you love us (the most)
Im really trying not to rehash that 2020 draft but that was an all time dud. Nick Richards was the last Center taken (middle of 2nd round). He recently signed a contract extension for 3 yrs/15 mil. The only PF/C currently out of the league from thar draft class is Daniel Otoru.
On the flip side James Wisemans NBA career never stood a chance. Someone early on asked me who Wiseman’s ceiling could be and I said Poor Mans Andre Ayton. Then Ayton ends up under the tutelage of a coach in Monty who doesn’t prioritize a scoring Center. Then we trade Wiseman to Detroit where hes firmly behind an absolute beast in Duren, Isaiah Stewart (when not lined with Duren), and Bagley (a much better offensive player) with Monty as their coach.
Wish JW the best man i really do. I was completely against the pick since Day 1 but i didnt see a plus sized Jacob Evans. I saw someone that would need 3-5 full seasons to become a good Center in this league. still think someone gonna throw our a 6-7!mill a year contract at him but at this point his best bet is to learn how to become a adept rebounder and defender with the occasional 3 point pick and pop.
Panthers win - Steph should be in a good mood tonight.
Im in a really good mood considering im a [very]casual Arizona Cardinals fan. We now take the mantle as the worst team in the NFL
Since you have the Texans pick too, that was a double win.
Did you watch the circus yesterday? I heard it was less of a circus than people expected!
I did. It was that. The problem is that Ngannu is slightly better than anyone else in his position from
mMA going to boxing. Then Fury was no Floyd Mayweather Jr. He did not take his opponent serious enough. Out of shape and Maybe going 30 percent. If Fury is even 60 percent and/or he just boxes like he knows this fight is over in 2
E1P season is back, baby!!! @EA, I hope you don't mind, but I'm hoping for 55+ E1P's from you this season!
Is Luka an asshole? Because for some reason, he's always seemed like an asshole to me.
He might be and definitely has that ‘look’. But I’ve given him more slack after seeing how Draymond seems to respect him and after he took getting absolutely demolished by the Wiggins playoff dunk in stride.
Well aside from flopping on the play.
I don't know if he's an asshole. I think that having a grin while clowning fools, or arguing calls, are very much on court behaviors that tell me pretty much nothing about a human being off court.
😂
😳
A lot of euro players throughout the years haven't really come off as assholes to me, more workman-like. Luka seems like one because he's Luka fuckin Doncic and he kills teams with a smug look on his face
Survey:
What percent of a team's success is due to the accumulative effects of fans like us? Presume we don't go to games much, but we do speak our minds online, which somehow through the magic of the internet filters in the direction of the team.
A. 0% - 1% influence
B. 1.01% - 5%
C. 5.01%- 10%
D. More than that.
A. Noise in the stadium works both ways. That said, it has always surprised me that basketball has a much, much larger home court advantage than baseball where the fields are intentionally irregular sized.
A. Outside of the fans who can provide energy at the arena, we don't impact the game very much. And that's ok.
I would select D which is more than 10%
Firstly, we have a considerable effect in terms of the loudness of our crowd/consistency in us traveling with the team to away games which helps contribute to wins.
Secondly, we have an influence in terms of our ticket/merchandise sales because the more we financially support our team, the more an owner like Lacob is willing to dip into the luxury tax to retain the dynasty. If fans don't make maintaining high quality teams profitable, owners won't do it.
Thirdly, and perhaps leastly, we contribute to the media buzz around the team which can filter down into the player/coach consciousness. Players are human and they hear what the fanbase is speaking about them and that can definitely affect their mental and through that their performance.
Only time we have any effect is if we make onto Steph's TL at halftime. Then it could be >10%, depending on the post.
Thanks, Eric! I appreciate and learn from the “here’s the play in theory” and “here’s what happened” approach.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/B5RMqgvjCs
Glad we are not part of this experience any longer.
I like the guy a lot and wish him well. At the same time, I'm also enjoying the relative lack of live ball turnovers in the middle of the court that culminate in easy dunks on the other end.
I gotta say, that is pretty special. 😊 Normally in look-away threes, the shooter has given a sufficiently long peek to know it’s perfectly on line. When they miss, it’s usually like the classic Swaggy miss where it’s halfway down and pops out. For JP to style that much for a shot that wasn’t all that close (he fully catches the back rim) is pretty high comedy, imo.
Weak. Modeling all the wrong behavior. Led his team with 27 points in a win, though, so clearly he’s a great leader (note: ironic).
How does a fan of Steph Curry not appreciate the audacity?
On the other hand, at my most charitable, very charitable, a shooter's momentum in that position does sort of pivot toward the bench. And the shooter is extremely out of position to do anything but head back on defense -- of either a make or miss. It's not like he's getting the rebound.
Then again -- DON'T DO THAT, JORDAN.
Hey I got a question. Are we going to become bitter Jordan Poole haters here or gently wish him well? Is there a consensus? I just want to get along with the crowd here. What's the plan?
Other regulars who actually post basketball related comments thoughtfully should hold more sway than my little vote here
Personally I liked JP’s sillyness and loving hugs and enthusiasm. It was weapnized joy… til he got punched. I didnt like his energy as much after that (probably not his fault). I’d like to see him do well.
James Wiseman seems like just such a nice kid. I hope he learns how to be an nba level basketball player.
I think I only actively root against the super villains (like brooks, and anyone in a lakers uniform)
Don't really care either way but wasn't really a fan of his from the start. Same goes with Wiseman.
I'm pretty sure I've seen at least three different people say its "the Jordan Poole experience" or something similar to Poole's recent inefficient nights.
And its like . . . no its not? Over the last three years of his career, Poole has had a TS% of 58%. That is a 4% increase over the league average TS% for SG of 56% (quite efficient). His current 48 TS% is INCREDIBLY far away from the Jordan Poole experience but I guess haters gonna hate.
His TS last season was .573. League average was .581; league average for a SG was .571.
In the playoffs last season (in a smallish sample) he put up a TS of .447. The playoffs before that, he put up .654.
Overall, he’s been an average-ish efficiency scorer prone to stretches of extreme hotness and coldness. In that context, .477 TS — in a very small, three-game sample — seems like part of the Jordan Poole experience?
How can you say overall he’s been an average-ish efficiency scorer AND then only use last years efficiency. Purposefully ignoring the larger sample size for a smaller one that serves your agenda is cherry picking at its finest in order to try and shit on Poole.
Last year he was inefficient in the playoffs, but in 2021 he had a sterling 65.4 TS%. Overall he’s had a 58.2 TS%. Once again, you cherry picked focusing on a single playoff run to serve a haters agenda.
Finally, did u really try to characterize a 13 playoff game sample size as “The Jordan Poole experience” instead of the entirety of his recent playing career? You're just digging yourself more and more into a whole every time you post.
1. His 3pt percentage has never been great. It’s always felt a bit streakier than most players… but that’s probably a mirage.
2. In GS, he was always playing off AT LEAST ONE OF THE TWO BEST SHOOTERS EVER, and he had tons of space with the defense focused elsewhere
We’ll see how he does out there, but I’m not holding my breath that he’s going to be a ++ starting SG…
Rooting for him. I have reached the acceptance phase on the trade (once I heard he requested one).
Since it doesn't seem like he has much interest in fixing his defense, it's fine he's not here. But, I hope he does well, and some other title contender commits a max to him. :)
Wait where did you see that he requested a trade? I don’t recall seeing that…
Just a rumor that he requested a trade privately after the team did not discipline Draymond much. It was mentioned in the comments here ... it was not widely reported, so possibly (perhaps even probably) wrong. I did not see the source of the rumor.
I remember seeing some singular deep rumor mentioned somewhere… but if there was a real trade request, it definitely was not publicized at all.
Probably 50/50. I'm personally rooting for him, but also here for those Shaqtin a fool moments from him
With the added caveat that I don’t like seeing him considered “great” with almost zero effort given to the defensive side.
This.
Oof, that is Swaggy-esque.
Swaggy P-oole?
It was right there for you.
Far be it for me to correct Master Apricot but I think you mis-read Podz’ night-night polarity switch. It’s not about “feel for the game.” In fact it’s something far more important and more predictive of future Podz glory. Instead this is a demonstration of rapid learning and commitment to continuous improvement. Podz des the move wrong, looks at Steph - learning in real time from the friendly neighborhood GOAT - and then corrects himself. The True Dub is always looking to get better, always willing to be wrong, acknowledging imperfection and then advancing to the next level. Go Podz.
I thought it might be a lefty/righty thing but since TJD chose the proper side, it's probably just a very correctable (as shown in the video) rookie mistake.
On a side note, I don't recall a lot of bench celebrations featuring "night night" last year. Of course, there weren't as many E1Ps last year either :)
Hoping Eric paces himself this year. What's the league rest policy on E1Ps?
Some love for Mo from the Chronicle this morning. Dude just gets it, imo:
“It was definitely hard, especially last year,” Moody told the Chronicle. “I don’t want to talk like I made it to the promise land, because there’s going to be highs and lows. But I wouldn’t want it to be any other way though. The hard way is the best way — you learn the most that way. And as long as you learn those lessons you can grow from that, or you can be damaged from it. But as long as you grow and take those lessons, you remember how you felt when you were in that position, and when you work to get something you appreciate it that much more.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/warriors/article/moses-moody-golden-state-18453830.php
Looking forward to the Dubs destroying other teams' second units all season, and I'm guessing the "trade MM and JK for an old vet" chatter is going to be pretty dead by the trade deadline.
Particularly enjoyed the "change in polarity" in the celebration audit.
I read the comments on The King's Herald about the last game:
1. 115 comments in the game thread. Hell, we've had haiku threads go that long.
2. They feel like Curry is getting a very friendly whistle (big surprise, since he was shooting over 70%).
3. There are at least a few commentators who were very annoyed at Davion Mitchell's defense on Steph (Steph cooked him a couple of times). The most favorable! comment said that his ceiling is Patrick Beverley.
4. They are kinder to HB than we are ... there was a "they need to get HB the ball more" comment, but otherwise, nothing negative.
5. Lots of Steph Haterade.
Always interesting to go see how another fanbase views the game.
> They feel like Curry is getting a very friendly whistle
Steph often gets shit from the refs so if he gets any whistles at all it’s “unfair”.
Meanwhile Dame shoots 17 free throws in his debut and everyone gushes what an elite player he is.
So Fox was more unfair then cuz he had 7 FTs and Curry had 6.
Did they watch the same game? Duarte fouled Steph a zillion times in the opening minutes.
The only job of Duarte was to hug, hold, and grab Steph, anything to keep him down. So, their fans shouldn’t complain about him not shooting well.
I read the comments on the Kings Reddit after the game and it seemed like the fans there had turned on Huerter and Mitchell.
Huerter is our Klay. If he’s not shooting well he’s a bum. I think Klay is more than that and I have no idea what value Huerter brings other than potentially elite shooting.
Mitchell is.. honestly… just not that good and low upside. If he can learn to shoot.. not holding my breath.
Keegan Murray I do appreciate tho
Holy shit- you have a JK avatar and that makes me happy
I exist to serve
I am SO glad we didn't draft him. There was quite a bit of chatter about what an elite defender he was. I didn't want another short guy. In the end, we picked up GPII.
Of course, now we have CP3, so another short guy - but he plays much bigger on both ends and is seeming to fit really, really well.
Yeah, same on the King's Herald. I forgot to mention Huerter, but there was a lot of negativity. To their credit, though, there were a couple of guys pushing back, and saying it's early in the season.
If you recall, after two games last season a lot of Warrior fans were burying DiVincenzo.
Yeah, we aren't any better about early overreactions (including me :) ).
Lol, I think a lot of here aren’t either.
Something I'm contemplating: One of the things that makes this work is that Huerter seems to know what's coming and hustles to beat that down screen (and apparently give a quick lap dance). I am postulating that if we know these stock Warriors plays, everyone else in the NBA does, also. In american football, good OCs have counter's to their base plays to take advantage of the opposing defense setting up for the base play. I feel like this play worked, in part, because the Kings know the Klay play and tried to stop it and then we did something different and they were not quite able to recover.
First, as always i am impressed by NBA calibre players' - and the Warriors' in particular - ability to flow into an improvisation, jazz musician like from, a broken set into something else.
Still, sometimes they hit a wrong chord and I wonder if Kerr and co. could, should, or maybe already are developing counters like this turned out to be. I guess they would have to decide verbally during a stoppage: "hey, fist raised isn't the Klay play until the next stoppage. Now it's (insert counter that takes advantage of teams expecting the Klay play)".
I don't see this stuff well at game speed, but I'm going to try to start watching for this to see if they seem to have any intentional variations as the season progresses.
Also I 100% agree that other teams know the Klay play. It would be malpractice to not know that Warriors play. Every team sends scouts to chart every other team’s plays as well as the play call (which we often can’t see on TV). Teams actually have a detente where they give tickets to each other’s scouts.
Is there an allowance for these read-and-react type counter plays for every player on the team? We've seen balls thrown to spots where a player should have been so it seems pretty rigid.
I once asked Zaza Pachulia if certain plays had scripted reads, and he said every Warrior is allowed to read and react on every play. Which makes sense if you think about it.
FYI I misidentified Huerter . It was actually Vezenkov.