With all respect for Dray or Klay or Kerr, in Europe a lot of Golden State fans are amazed by Steph. There's no one playing like Steph here. Nobody shootin or dribblin the way he shoots or dribbles. Who goes to Chase Center is very lucky to see him play live. Hope he comes back soon
In Italy there's a lot of LeBron fans. We have seen NBA on national television only from 80's, so we have a lot of fans of Sixers, Celtics and Lakers. Then in 90's most fans rooted for MJ.
Steph is loved by point guards, shooting guards and undersized young players. In other countries people love Luka mostly, than Giannis and the Joker. Gallinari is not so loved in Italy as Luka/Joker in Serbian or Giannis in Greece, because italian basketball fans think Gallo is soft, arrogante, no defense and no passing
One fear seems to be materializing. When Kerr feels pressed, he ditches faith in the young guys and leans on his vets. If Moody and JK can't get sufficient run against the likes of Orlando, Atlanta & Washington, then forget about them sniffing the floor in the playoffs. If this is a sign, we bow out in the first round with Steph-Klay-DLee-JTA-Looney on the floor. (Dray will have been thrown out already)
I think with both Curry and Green healthy, the responsibilties of the role players get more defined and it's easier to get rooks minutes.
That said, I don't expect rookies to be top 7 in minutes in the playoffs, but in the past we have seen Kerr go to important minutes with McCaw and Bell.
This year might be interesting though because if the Warriors have no choice but to go small, and they need to be able to run spread PnR, but Draymond's scoring continues to decline, diminishing his effectiveness as a rollman, and their only other roll threat is Kuminga.
Might have no choice but to play JK to get some half court offense going.
Kerr does not put a lot of faith on rookies and, when he does, it’s short-lived. It seems he often doesn’t allow them more time to make mistakes and try to make amends for them.
I think they can still thrive by relying heavily on the not-young-but-not-old crew: Porter, Wiggins, Payton, and Looney, plus Poole, who's obviously still young but a third-year guy who knows the ropes and seems to enjoy the spotlight.
I do think (hope?) the era of giving Klay and Dray a default 35-40 mpg in the playoffs is over. I'd start to think of Dray more as a late career Andre, and Klay as a better version of Korver, with 5-15 of their minutes given to guys with younger legs.
Steph as always is the straw that stirs the drink, so I'd still give him as many minutes as his body can possibly handle. Hopefully the 2-3-week layoff helps him in that respect. A turbo-charged Steph (like the one we saw last season after he missed time with the tailbone injury) is basically our only path to a deep playoff run at this point.
Dray becoming the Andre of old is the best possible future for the Dubs and for him as well. Of the big 3, he is the one that takes the most physical abuse, his game relies on playing bigger than his physical frame. Getting him into a bench role, 26-30 min, could extend his career. Not to mention what it could do (potentially) for a 2nd unit.
I take it on face value that Draymond is just working his way back into game shape, until it (possibility of lingering back injury) is reported. And he doesn't look like he is playing injured, he looks like he is a step behind his normal self. A positive thought on Wiseman. When he did play in those 3 games, he looked like he was running free from pain or discomfort (except for being out of breath). So, I am hopeful that by the playoffs, Dray will be Dray, and that we will have a lot to look forward to next year in Wiseman (bonehead rookie mistakes and awesome dunks)
Take out the 2019-2020 season, and the Warriors would be 31-41 without Curry during Kerr's coaching career. This pretty much shows that Stephen Curry is the Warriors system, and the Warriors struggle without him.
I wonder how that breaks down in games where both Curry and at least one of Klay and Dray are missing vs. just Curry. Obviously that 19-20 season was missing all of Klay, so I imagine it gets closer to even.
45-87 (IRRC, it's somewhere near that at the very least) in the Kerr era without Steph.
It's almost ridiculous to think about it, but is Steph way better than even we all think? I think the question is a valid one considering:
(a) We've seen multiple iterations of the Warriors fall apart without Steph. The only one that stayed good was the KD/Klay/Draymond/Iggy one, and even that team performed below what the expectation would be (especially offensively).
(b) The way he impacts the game is unlike anyone else, so I don't know if good approximations/quantifications of his impact exist.
I know I'm ultra-biased to see things from this perspective, so what do y'all think?
Not biased. You can also look at something like ESPN's RPM, an objective formula designed by a smart analytics guy with the sole goal of measuring players' individual impact on team wins. Here's Steph's RPM ranking among all NBA players over the last eight seasons:
2013-14: #2
2014-15: #1
2015-16: #1
2016-17: #1
2017-18: #2
2018-19: #1
2020-21: #1
2021-22: #3
By way of comparison, here's the RPM rankings of LeBron and Durant (the only other players with a claim to being the best player in the league over the same period):
LeBron: #6, #3, #2, #2, #31, #2, #2, #11
Durant: #3, #5, #3, #8, #36, #23, #14, #17
There are a lot of great players in the NBA. People know Steph is good, but I think many don't realize just how good.
Man, losing sucks. Losing a game where we're behind wire-to-wire but usually by very little is depressing. It doesn't even feel like the Warriors did much wrong, other than aim badly on threes.
25% on 3s, especially with how many possessions end on the three point line, just isn't going to win a lot of games unless the opposing team just stinks it up even worse.
Not sure strength of schedule is relevant giver the Warriors seem to be beating the good teams and not the bad ones. Or maybe it is relevant and 7 is a good thing?!
We have the toughest remaining schedule out of the five teams, so there's a higher chance for the Warriors to lose more games than the other four teams.
That’s not necessarily how it works this late in the season, though, since many of the good teams will be resting key guys, and many of the bad ones will still be fighting hard for the play-ins. You really have to look at the specific opponents.
With all respect for Dray or Klay or Kerr, in Europe a lot of Golden State fans are amazed by Steph. There's no one playing like Steph here. Nobody shootin or dribblin the way he shoots or dribbles. Who goes to Chase Center is very lucky to see him play live. Hope he comes back soon
Just curious. Are there a lot of warriors fans in Europe? Are there more in certain countries than others?
In Italy there's a lot of LeBron fans. We have seen NBA on national television only from 80's, so we have a lot of fans of Sixers, Celtics and Lakers. Then in 90's most fans rooted for MJ.
Steph is loved by point guards, shooting guards and undersized young players. In other countries people love Luka mostly, than Giannis and the Joker. Gallinari is not so loved in Italy as Luka/Joker in Serbian or Giannis in Greece, because italian basketball fans think Gallo is soft, arrogante, no defense and no passing
One fear seems to be materializing. When Kerr feels pressed, he ditches faith in the young guys and leans on his vets. If Moody and JK can't get sufficient run against the likes of Orlando, Atlanta & Washington, then forget about them sniffing the floor in the playoffs. If this is a sign, we bow out in the first round with Steph-Klay-DLee-JTA-Looney on the floor. (Dray will have been thrown out already)
I think with both Curry and Green healthy, the responsibilties of the role players get more defined and it's easier to get rooks minutes.
That said, I don't expect rookies to be top 7 in minutes in the playoffs, but in the past we have seen Kerr go to important minutes with McCaw and Bell.
This year might be interesting though because if the Warriors have no choice but to go small, and they need to be able to run spread PnR, but Draymond's scoring continues to decline, diminishing his effectiveness as a rollman, and their only other roll threat is Kuminga.
Might have no choice but to play JK to get some half court offense going.
Kerr does not put a lot of faith on rookies and, when he does, it’s short-lived. It seems he often doesn’t allow them more time to make mistakes and try to make amends for them.
They are shortening the rotation in preparation for the playoffs. Need Steph & Dre back, and it'll make more sense.
I think they can still thrive by relying heavily on the not-young-but-not-old crew: Porter, Wiggins, Payton, and Looney, plus Poole, who's obviously still young but a third-year guy who knows the ropes and seems to enjoy the spotlight.
I do think (hope?) the era of giving Klay and Dray a default 35-40 mpg in the playoffs is over. I'd start to think of Dray more as a late career Andre, and Klay as a better version of Korver, with 5-15 of their minutes given to guys with younger legs.
Steph as always is the straw that stirs the drink, so I'd still give him as many minutes as his body can possibly handle. Hopefully the 2-3-week layoff helps him in that respect. A turbo-charged Steph (like the one we saw last season after he missed time with the tailbone injury) is basically our only path to a deep playoff run at this point.
Dray becoming the Andre of old is the best possible future for the Dubs and for him as well. Of the big 3, he is the one that takes the most physical abuse, his game relies on playing bigger than his physical frame. Getting him into a bench role, 26-30 min, could extend his career. Not to mention what it could do (potentially) for a 2nd unit.
But I wouldn't expect that next season.
I’d think it’d be more of gradual thing.
If Steph gets to the Finals with this team, that truly might be the 2nd biggest accomplishment of his career after what he did in the 15-16 season.
Agree 100%
110%
I take it on face value that Draymond is just working his way back into game shape, until it (possibility of lingering back injury) is reported. And he doesn't look like he is playing injured, he looks like he is a step behind his normal self. A positive thought on Wiseman. When he did play in those 3 games, he looked like he was running free from pain or discomfort (except for being out of breath). So, I am hopeful that by the playoffs, Dray will be Dray, and that we will have a lot to look forward to next year in Wiseman (bonehead rookie mistakes and awesome dunks)
Does this team use the Peter principle for their rookies?
Curry (and Shaq) won an Oscar?? What can this man NOT do?
This is outstanding work (that cheered me up a bit):
https://mobile.twitter.com/KOT4Q/status/1508267758831779849
One more reason to detest that man
I know. And: free Malik Monk!!!
Haha, and the replies have the receipts that Steph, Giannis and Joel have been loss poster boys, so it’s probably only the Lakers doing that
lolz
https://mobile.twitter.com/currybuu/status/1508280167650959363
I looked through statsmuse once again. According to the website, Kerr has a coaching record of 45-87 without Curry.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/steve-kerr-nba-coaching-record-without-steph-curry
This also includes the 2019-2020 season, when the Warriors were 14-46 without Curry.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/steve-kerr-nba-coaching-record-without-steph-curry-2019-2020-season
Take out the 2019-2020 season, and the Warriors would be 31-41 without Curry during Kerr's coaching career. This pretty much shows that Stephen Curry is the Warriors system, and the Warriors struggle without him.
I wonder how that breaks down in games where both Curry and at least one of Klay and Dray are missing vs. just Curry. Obviously that 19-20 season was missing all of Klay, so I imagine it gets closer to even.
I was gonna say…most coaches would struggle without their star player.
not the Grizzlies (without Morant) and the Suns (Paul)
Like I said…most.
I did not watch Oscar but I read this Steph’s tweeter and like the quote by Denzel:
”In your highest moments, be careful, that’s when the devil comes for you!”
https://twitter.com/stephencurry30/status/1508321138216079362?s=21&t=JP_aacuXS3aniXWrkseNiQ
Warriors, Be humble and Don’t be complacent.
Please let the fans know this. Many have been claimed by the devil. lol
They’re never as good as they seem after wins … and never as bad as they seem after losses.
Steph and Shaq won an Oscar?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10031017-shaquille-oneal-stephen-currys-the-queen-of-basketball-documentary-wins-oscar
Worth a watch. Very interesting doco about a very cool baller. Lucy Harris.
2 - 7 without Steph last year
3 - 8 without Steph this year
That's all, folks
So you’re saying we have a better win percentage this year without Steph?? That’s progress
Give it a couple of games, we might just catch up.
45-87 (IRRC, it's somewhere near that at the very least) in the Kerr era without Steph.
It's almost ridiculous to think about it, but is Steph way better than even we all think? I think the question is a valid one considering:
(a) We've seen multiple iterations of the Warriors fall apart without Steph. The only one that stayed good was the KD/Klay/Draymond/Iggy one, and even that team performed below what the expectation would be (especially offensively).
(b) The way he impacts the game is unlike anyone else, so I don't know if good approximations/quantifications of his impact exist.
I know I'm ultra-biased to see things from this perspective, so what do y'all think?
Not biased. You can also look at something like ESPN's RPM, an objective formula designed by a smart analytics guy with the sole goal of measuring players' individual impact on team wins. Here's Steph's RPM ranking among all NBA players over the last eight seasons:
2013-14: #2
2014-15: #1
2015-16: #1
2016-17: #1
2017-18: #2
2018-19: #1
2020-21: #1
2021-22: #3
By way of comparison, here's the RPM rankings of LeBron and Durant (the only other players with a claim to being the best player in the league over the same period):
LeBron: #6, #3, #2, #2, #31, #2, #2, #11
Durant: #3, #5, #3, #8, #36, #23, #14, #17
There are a lot of great players in the NBA. People know Steph is good, but I think many don't realize just how good.
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm
I mostly agree with this, but with the #1 caveat being that I've heard that ESPN messed with RPM a few years ago and it's not great now.
You're not biased.
Nah, I'm definitely biased lol.
Man, losing sucks. Losing a game where we're behind wire-to-wire but usually by very little is depressing. It doesn't even feel like the Warriors did much wrong, other than aim badly on threes.
25% on 3s, especially with how many possessions end on the three point line, just isn't going to win a lot of games unless the opposing team just stinks it up even worse.
And give up way too many open ones on the other end.
So… Klay is the healthiest and most productive of the 3 main vets right now… not the best situation, lol
I’d put my money on Steph being the most productive even on a sore foot.
Not today! But when he’s back, I’m sure he’ll be back up to speed quickly
Remaining strength of schedule:
Warriors: 7
Jazz: 8
Mavericks: 27
Nuggets: 21
Timberwolves: 24
Not sure strength of schedule is relevant giver the Warriors seem to be beating the good teams and not the bad ones. Or maybe it is relevant and 7 is a good thing?!
We have the toughest remaining schedule out of the five teams, so there's a higher chance for the Warriors to lose more games than the other four teams.
That’s not necessarily how it works this late in the season, though, since many of the good teams will be resting key guys, and many of the bad ones will still be fighting hard for the play-ins. You really have to look at the specific opponents.
Bonus stats:
Payton II: (+4)
5 points 2/3 FGs 1/1 three pointer
2 rebounds (1 off.) 2 assists 1 turnover 1 steal 1 block
Kuminga: (-17)
4 points 0/5 three pointers 0/2 three pointers 4/4 FTs
3 rebounds (1 off.) 1 assist
Green: (-20)
7 points 2/6 FGs 0/1 three pointer 3/3 FTs
5 rebounds (2 off.) 6 assists 3 turnovers 3 steals
Gill: (+9)
9 points 3/3 FGs 1/1 three pointer 2/2 FTs
8 rebounds (1 off.) 3 assists 1 block
Hachimura: (-2)
6 points 2/6 FGs 2/2 three pointers
4 rebounds 2 assists
It's clear kuminga thrives in the bench unit and not with the starters, I dont know why kerr went back to that and then punished him for it
Notable stats:
Warriors:
Wiggins: (-2)
23 points 8/14 FGs 0/3 three pointers 7/10 FTs
2 rebounds (1 off.) 3 turnovers 1 steal
Porter Jr.: (+7)
14 points 5/7 FGs 1/2 three pointers 3/3 FTs
11 rebounds (2 off.) 2 assists
Looney: (+5)
8 points 2/3 FGs 4/6 FTs
6 rebounds (5 off.) 2 assists 1 block
Thompson: (-7)
25 points 10/22 FGs 5/13 three pointers
5 rebounds 3 assists
Poole: (-3)
26 points 8/25 FGs 1/10 three pointers 9/11 FTs
6 rebounds 2 assists 2 turnovers 3 steals
Wizards:
Kispert: (+16)
25 points 9/12 FGs 6/9 three pointers 1/1 FT
1 rebound 3 assists 1 turnover
Caldwell-Pope: (-3)
22 points 8/8 FGs 3/3 three pointers 3/3 FTs
4 rebounds (1 off.) 3 assists 2 turnovers 1 steal 2 blocks
Avidja: (+0)
14 points 5/9 FGs 3/4 three pointers 1/2 FTs
7 rebounds (1 off.) 4 assists 2 turnovers 1 steal
Gafford: (+3)
11 points 5/6 FGs 1/1 FT
6 rebounds 1 assist 1 turnover 2 blocks
Porzingis: (+9)
23 points 6/21 FGs 1/6 three pointers 10/11 FTs
9 rebounds (2 off.) 6 assists 4 turnovers 1 steal 1 block
Satoransky: (+10)
9 points 4/9 FGs 0/2 three pointers 1/2 FTs
3 rebounds 7 assists 2 turnovers 1 steal
Final stats:
Warriors:
42.7% shooting (38/89 FGs)
8/33 three pointers
31/39 FTs
46 rebounds (13 off.)
20 assists
10 turnovers
8 steals
2 blocks
Wizards:
52.4% shooting (44/84 FGs)
16/28 three pointers
19/22 FTs
42 rebounds (5 off.)
33 assists
12 turnovers
5 steals
7 blocks
Points in paint:
Warriors: 54
Wizards: 44
Fastbreak points:
Warriors: 12
Wizards: 11
Points off turnovers:
Warriors: 17
Wizards: 22
Bench points:
Warriors: 30
Wizards: 38
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Thank you