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I see there is conflict between some commenters but I don’t really know what it’s about. If people are being disrespectful or inappropriate in comments, I am requesting people please “Report Comment” (it’s in the three dot menu at the end of the Like line) so we can see what’s happening more easily and quickly.

Thank you.

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Wow I didn't go into that thread so didn't realize that conversation was going on. One thing I enjoy about sports, whether it's playing or watching, is that it does bring people from all different backgrounds together. I always found this site, and even GSOM from back in the day, to be one of the more respectful forums out there which is why I continue to be here even if it costs money now. Whenever I am reading the comments or engaging in a discussion, race/age/background has never even crossed my mind. All I see is the username and the only thought on my mind is talking about hoops. That is another beauty of a forum, where you don't have to worry about how people perceive you based on how you look or if maybe you speak with a heavy accent, as we can't tell any of that from reading text on a screen.

However I cannot say the member is wrong for feeling a certain way as those are his feelings and emotions. I certainly haven't experienced that myself, and I'm not as engaged in the forum now as I was before so don't see all the conversations that take place now, but never really got the sense that people weren't welcoming around here.

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Let’s make it happen lol

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Hollinger really course corrected. I’m very curious what the 538 projections are because it seems like when you do numbers only the Warriors don’t project well.

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I thought this was a pretty reasonable report. Dude takes his shot but is humble about his misses. It’s really hard to argue much. On Klay he admits the stats don’t like him but doesn’t do anything about it. And he’s not buying real estate on Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Rollins, or PBJ islands (though he is scanning the lots in case some attractive restaurants open). His take is basically: if healthy and at least one of the new guys hits, the Dubs have a reasonable shot at repeating.

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Isn't this kind of vacuously true given the team actually won the championship last season with the young guys making fairly small contributions. Maybe the Warriors downgraded a bit going fro GPII to DiVencenzo and OPJ to JaMychel Green, but those guys were the 7th and 8th players off the bench. Aside from that OPJ had to be load managed and GPII missed a good chunk of the playoffs.

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For sure. And I thought that at first. But I come more around to a "this is obvious to me, a die hard very attentive Warrior fan" point of view. If his 29 other profiles are similarly obvious to a dedicated fan, then they might actually be interesting to someone like me who doesn't pay that much attention to every other team.

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Hollinger when PBJ was drafted:

> If you're gonna reach on a young toolsy forward who was terrible last season, you could also reach on Josh Minott who was actually good.

https://twitter.com/johnhollinger/status/1540169223766302720

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Oct 4, 2022·edited Oct 4, 2022

Uhhh, wouldn’t PBJ be, like, the opposite of “toolsy”? He has impressively refined skills for his size (e.g. sweet shooting stroke, smooth handles, high IQ passing) but is lacking in high-level athleticism.

I think of Kuminga as much more “toolsy”, in that he has all the raw tools to be a superstar (size, strength, speed, hops, physical coordination) but lacks refinement in specific hoops skills.

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His height and wingspan are pretty toolsy

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>>>>if healthy and at least one of the new guys hits, the Dubs have a reasonable shot at repeating

That's a pretty darned good place to be.

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Hi guys

Does anybody have news about Westbrook trade to Indiana?

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I read about it on ESPN a while back, but honestly, it sounded like the Lakers trying to make something happen. Why on earth would Indiana want that deal? They'd give up Turner and Hield (two useful pieces) for a couple of first-rounders and Westbrook's expiring contract? Why -- so they could bring a big-name free agent to Indianapolis? When was the last time the Pacers were big players in free agency?

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I’m pretty sure that’s old news and is a dead deal at this point.

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Just curious what posters think about waiving Trevion and Mac and signing Ty Jerome and Anthony Lamb? Personally, I was very entertained by Trevion and Mac and was looking forward to seeing more of them and hoping they could really shine on our team and injecting it with the kind of talent that our bench seemed to have been lacking for a while. Comments?

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McClung made sense because he was uninterested in a two-way and while I personally think he was decent, he didn't show enough for the final 15 man roster spot. Perhaps McClung would have had a better shot at a roster spot had the Warriors not signed Rollins to the 15 man roster. Still a bit confused why they did that instead of signing Rollins to a two-way.

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Mac for Ty is a no brainer to me. He should be two-way eligible, and Ty projects as a better shooter, defender and passer.

Lamb is a big wing who can shoot. Always good to have those around. I do really like Trevino though.

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I've never seen either one of the newly signed players actually play. I can only look at stats and the paltry amount of playing time that both of these players had doesn't really tell me much. Big wings are good but I was under the impression we have some of those. Who can replace the size and skillset of Trevion? I've seen McClung come in a change the pace and outcome of games for the last few years on various teams. I was under the impression the gleague was about developing players for the NBA. If McClung isn't ready, I don't know when he would be. I think bias comes into play here on the Warrior part. They still seem biased on size in the paint and entertain themselves with ball handlers like Ky Bowman, Chiozza, the Italian Redhead, and so forth, whom none have been able to really stick with this team. McClung was the only one who could consistently do what he does and even he has been rejected.

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I'd give Jerome a chance. He's got a better pedigree and more NBA experience then the rest of those guys combined. A 6'5 PG who can shoot, pass and defend is the perfect third PG for this team.

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OK, we'll see......

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Neither had a shot at the 15th roster spot, and McClung wasn't possible as a two-way, and I guess the Warriors aren't interested in Trevion on a 2-way either.

Taking the overall roster into account, an emergency big and a wing defender on the 2 two-ways makes most sense to me. Still think Weatherspoon is pretty solidified into one two-way slot and while small, he's shown to be NBA capable on defense, but I have no idea what the Warriors plan with the 2nd spot. I just don't see Quinones sticking.

The last NBA roster makes too much sense to leave open to start the season.

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Key paragraph: “We have so many young guys,” coach Steve Kerr said, “and they need coaching, they need mentoring, and Andre is the best there is with that. And he loves, loves working with younger guys. As a player, he sort of makes everything work because he knows exactly where he needs to be. He makes every lineup click. And if he’s not on the court, he’s teaching these young guys the same thing. "

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Random open question:

If you were the gm for the dubs and forced to fill the 15th spot, what position would you fill it with and what skills would you look for? Bonus points if you can name a current free agent who fills this imaginary spot lol

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Oct 4, 2022·edited Oct 4, 2022

Warriors waive Trevion Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zY33QZO5o

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https://dubnationhq.com/p/dub-nation-hq-comments-of-week-plus-336/comment/9469433

This is probably not the end for Trevion & Dubs

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Hopefully just means a G-league stash to work on defense and try again next year.

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Kind of disappointing.

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Bazemore with a beautiful corner 3 swish on one end and just ran over his defender on the other end lol

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If Looney hadn’t been such a revelation this past season (or a reaffirmation for you Looney stans) I would argue that Alex Len would be a really nice big body to have on this team. Good passer off the post. Sets good screens and knows when to release and roll to the basket.

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"Open Thread" Is that DubNation HQ code for your fly is open?

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Oct 4, 2022·edited Oct 4, 2022

How are we feeling about Wiseman's new hook shot?

Personally, I can't say I'm loving it. I think it reinforces his tendency toward step backs and fadeaway shots, i.e. not very physical play.

I would much prefer it if he made a concerted effort to get closer to the rim and just mash it over people.

Yeah, he'll miss a bunch of shots playing that way, but it's also going to force double teams and a lot of other defensive attention.

With a hook shot, pretty much anybody can guard him ... try to bump him, stick a hand up when he goes to the shot and hope he misses.

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It looked decent on the one or two attempts where he didn’t rush it. It was ugly when he rushed it - the ball was practically out of his hand by the time he actually turned his head towards the rim.

You’re wrong about a hook shot allowing anybody to guard him. It’s one of the best shots for someone to have when well-developed, particularly tall players. It puts your body between the defender and the ball, the release point is typically higher than a jump shot which increases the percentages, and if you develop a good feel for it, you can shoot the hook from all kinds of weird angles and the like and be confident in it.

Obviously the hook isn’t really in his arsenal yet in-game, but it’s important for him to work on it. And again, it looked decent when he didn’t rush it. You’d like to see more balance, but that also might be a function of trying it in-game against other NBA players after having to practice it 1-on-0 during the injury recovery.

They’re working on a drop step and up-and-under footwork with him as well, among other things. For all of those shots and moves, it’s a process to go from doing them in sessions with the coaches, to doing them in-game. And it’d be silly to discourage him from taking hook shots in preseason based on any sample size, to be frank.

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Totally agree with your points about a hook shot being difficult to defend.

J Wiseman looks fluid on his feet and seems to have a soft shooting touch with his hands. With his size he should be able to relax and shoot it over most defenders once he becomes comfortable and confident with it. Being left handed adds another dimension defenses will need to adjust to.

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Yeah, he had a nifty up and under in the second? game.

And, I hope you're right about the hook shot.

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Oct 4, 2022·edited Oct 4, 2022

I feel like any tangible basketball skill is a good thing for him. If he had like 4 consistent post or face-up goto moves that would be solid. I don’t think a hook shot fits his game that well, because it requires elite balance (especially if you are bumping your defender to gain space), with great foot work and finesse. I’m a semi-wiseman believer, but I feel like that’s a lot to ask for a guy who we fear even catching the ball. He is so young, I could see that being part of his bag overtime…. It just might not be the easiest tangle thing to add. Rim running and reading the defense to get to rim running spots would be easier for him to learn and apply imo

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He doesn't have to step back for the shot so often. Especially against smaller players, he can just rise up and even lean in a bit and get quite a bit closer than the "elegant" hook he's doing now. I think it'll come with more comfort with the shot.

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This. He is just learning that shot, and he needs to develop it. If he is leaning away from the hoop, avoiding contact, that's a no. But if he can lean in with that hook or develop a true sky hook, I'm all for it. He shot at least one good one leaning in in the 2nd Japan game. Hey Coach, give Kareem a shout and ask him to spend a few hours with the kid teaching him the real thing.

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This is why I like this place. I learned something. Thanks to you and DFiB.

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Yeah, it's an ugly shot. He's better off turning to the rim, ripping through, and trying to draw a foul. It's not even a hook shot. It has zero arc. Might as well just throw one off the backboard to yourself. I want one thing from James. Give me a freaking re-post. You have the ball in a bad position, pass it back out and re-post. Gimme some Semi-Pro, Jackie Moon style passing. He has to learn that the best way to get to where he can do damage is not to do it on his own, but to give the ball up and move.

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> It has zero arc.

Yeah ... that one he just line drove which hit off the backboard looked like a volleyball dig, not a basketball shot. I suspect he lost his grip, but yikes.

:)

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Saw someone point this out online and I can't unsee it but why aren't they teaching Wiseman to use the backboard?

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https://youtu.be/Bl7tvIJLrSg

Highlights of the new signing.

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Watching this Lakers game vs watching that first half of last Dubs game really does feel like an absolute downgrade

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What struck me in the 2 preseason games in Japan was an emphasis on back door cutting and, most importantly, the good passes to the cutter. I think this may be a key in the early season to keep opponents from over playing the wings.

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Timpf doin a nice breakdown of early preseason games but he keeps saying we lost preseason game #2……

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ha- awk. Still, comments pretty brutal on him for a preseason game, still should have at least checked the score.

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