After agonizing over this, I'm going to have to go with Sengun. I accept that Mitchell might be a better win-now choice, but I just can't shake the notion that Sengun has more untapped long-term potential.
Simmons scored a ton more than Barnes on higher efficiency, I think Simmons light is a generous ceiling for Barnes, while I think there's good reason to think that Sengun could be better than Sabonis.
CP3 aside, I thought I'd enjoy watching the Suns play. CP3 has certainly left his mark on these guys after one year. Between the endless complaining, CP3 shenanigans, and Crowder acting jobs, I find the Suns easy to root against. Booker is a stud, but has also bought into the constant whining. You can say he's a star now, since mugging a guy at the hoop with five fouls forces the refs to swallow their whistles.
I loved the CP3 meltdown tonite - I want Bucks in 6 and any talk about CP3 as FMVP to dissipate. I think he definitely brought his stock down quite a bit tonight: -10, poor shooting, and horrible turnovers. If somehow the Suns were able to pull out the series, I'd imagine it'll be Booker getting the FMVP and not CP3.
How nice would it be for Cam Johnson to wear a Dubs' jersey? Dude's a baller.
PJ Tucker fouling jumpshooters reminds me of Shaun Livingston in his last season, unfortunately. I think when you get older it might become harder to make controlled closeouts.
Man, Giannis launching 3’s early in the shot clock it such knuckleheadedness. Is Budenhholzer afraid to inform him of this, or is he just “Screw it, I’m feeling good…woohoo!”
https://streamable.com/213t8g - This is the most exciting clip, a left-handed Jokic like pass to a cutter (this would fit in perfectly for our system).
It's the playmaking that really intrigues me. If he can reliably function as the offensive initiator for a high-level offense, his potential rises exponentially.
Ooo thanks for the shares. Seems like he might even have some more burst than SloMo, who I feel relies on really crafty change of speed to get shots off.
And that last pass is so sweet. I really miss when we had Bogut and West as passing bigs in our offense.
The Ringer walked through a mock with KOC, Tjarks and J Kyle Mann taking turns picking for each team with no trades. (Spoiler: 7 Mitchell, 14 Ziare). Great discussion of all the teams and players. All three really seem to like Ziare.
I vote Sengun, as well. The work that it must have taken to develop his low post moves by his age speaks well of his work ethic, and I think that he could work with Wiseman, too. I'd rather be wrong about Mitchell if he goes to another team than be right about him on the Warriors.
Worth noting if it wasn’t somewhere already: If top 6 guys go as expected, all of these guys will be available at 7 and at least one will be available at 14.
(I’m guessing Apricot planned it that way and I was just slow to catch on.)
I'm glad someone brought Kuminga up. A guy who is supposedly in the top 5 he has precious little said about how good he is--or isn't. Looks to me that there is a a great chance that Kuminga will be available at 7. Do we want him?
Kuminga is a great physical specimen and uses his athleticism to get to the basket and finish. But, he shot 39%fg and 63%ft. 25% 3 ball. He is a project offensively. Not a great playmaker, either. Doesn't play D. He needs development. Has good potential but is really a one on one player, at the moment, very one dimensional. Sengun is a much surer choice with much better IQ and skillset.
Not me. I won't need therapy. No rookie is going to make that much difference. The hopes for next season rely on Klay getting mot of the way back to his old self plus I think one key pick up(for the sake of argument, let's say it's Love) plus maybe something like Chriss coming back and living up to his early promise. They just gotta make it. Then the main playoff rotation is Steph, Klay, Dray, Ender, Love, Poole, JTA, Looney, Chriss. I think Lee or another guard might get some time, but not much. Notice in this scenario we get to keep Wiseman, Kuminga AND #14 and maybe one of them shows up in the playoffs. If not, we still got a shot. Bonus if we get one more solid vet (Mills, Batum, etc.)
After agonizing over this, I'm going to have to go with Sengun. I accept that Mitchell might be a better win-now choice, but I just can't shake the notion that Sengun has more untapped long-term potential.
Too late to vote? Sengoooon!!
Tank-a-thon has Sengun #5 on their big board ahead of Kuminga and Barnes. (Those three make up their “Tier 2”) http://www.tankathon.com/big_board
They’ve also got Suggs and Mobley ahead of Cunningham…
Ain't no damm way Suggs ahead of cade, mobley I guess you could make an argument for it but Suggs ain't no way
John Hollinger had him 4th also. Most places have him going late lottery/mid-first though which I cannot comprehend.
Hmm...things starting to shift around. I can only assume feedback from workouts is having an impact?
Sengun ahead of barnes? Craziness
What if Barnes never learns to shoot? He's a worse finisher on lower volume than Ben Simmons. Is Ben Simmons light his upside?
What if sengun never learns how to shoot? Is David Lee light his upside? Give me simmons over sabonis over day of the week
Sengun is already a prolific scorer. What are you talking about?
Simmons scored a ton more than Barnes on higher efficiency, I think Simmons light is a generous ceiling for Barnes, while I think there's good reason to think that Sengun could be better than Sabonis.
Barnes and simmons also have completely different mental makeups
CP3 aside, I thought I'd enjoy watching the Suns play. CP3 has certainly left his mark on these guys after one year. Between the endless complaining, CP3 shenanigans, and Crowder acting jobs, I find the Suns easy to root against. Booker is a stud, but has also bought into the constant whining. You can say he's a star now, since mugging a guy at the hoop with five fouls forces the refs to swallow their whistles.
I loved the CP3 meltdown tonite - I want Bucks in 6 and any talk about CP3 as FMVP to dissipate. I think he definitely brought his stock down quite a bit tonight: -10, poor shooting, and horrible turnovers. If somehow the Suns were able to pull out the series, I'd imagine it'll be Booker getting the FMVP and not CP3.
How nice would it be for Cam Johnson to wear a Dubs' jersey? Dude's a baller.
I wonder if CP3 might be getting tired. The way he's dropping off a bit more each game ... Just a thought.
He's spending a lot of time on D guarding PJ Tucker, and Tucker can dish it out with the best of them.
True words.
The league office might’ve been a tad premature engraving Chris Paul’s name on the FMVP before the series started.
Damn. Go Middleton.
That was the best block I've ever seen. My God Giannis.
Yeah, and it was *after* stopping Booker’s penetration. I can’t recall a better defensive play.
You mean, better than LeBron cherrypicking a soft floater off a broken Iguodala who couldn't jump?
Way to go, Bucks. We got a potentially classic Finals now.
CP3 choke job in Game 4 makes it even sweeter. :-)
Sengun I suppose, kinda meh on each of these two.
PJ Tucker fouling jumpshooters reminds me of Shaun Livingston in his last season, unfortunately. I think when you get older it might become harder to make controlled closeouts.
Well… crowder has been falling on nothing all night too…
Man, Giannis launching 3’s early in the shot clock it such knuckleheadedness. Is Budenhholzer afraid to inform him of this, or is he just “Screw it, I’m feeling good…woohoo!”
It almost felt like he was jacking them up with high arc and looking to crash the glass…
Skilled bigs with post footwork are so hard to come by that I can’t really come up with an argument for picking an undersized guard instead…
Sengun without a question for me.
He can handle and pass the ball as well.
https://streamable.com/eo66g8 - This is him handling the ball with dribble moves in transition like SloMo (is that an oxymoron).
https://streamable.com/bmo35z and https://streamable.com/wdbctp - Here he takes 2 people off the dribble going both left and right.
https://streamable.com/213t8g - This is the most exciting clip, a left-handed Jokic like pass to a cutter (this would fit in perfectly for our system).
It's the playmaking that really intrigues me. If he can reliably function as the offensive initiator for a high-level offense, his potential rises exponentially.
Ooo thanks for the shares. Seems like he might even have some more burst than SloMo, who I feel relies on really crafty change of speed to get shots off.
And that last pass is so sweet. I really miss when we had Bogut and West as passing bigs in our offense.
The Ringer walked through a mock with KOC, Tjarks and J Kyle Mann taking turns picking for each team with no trades. (Spoiler: 7 Mitchell, 14 Ziare). Great discussion of all the teams and players. All three really seem to like Ziare.
https://youtu.be/1TSkVKHh70A
I thought the Mitchell pick in this mock by Kyle was weak and he had no response to Tjarks comment that it made no sense to pair Mitchell with Curry.
I vote Sengun, as well. The work that it must have taken to develop his low post moves by his age speaks well of his work ethic, and I think that he could work with Wiseman, too. I'd rather be wrong about Mitchell if he goes to another team than be right about him on the Warriors.
Worth noting if it wasn’t somewhere already: If top 6 guys go as expected, all of these guys will be available at 7 and at least one will be available at 14.
(I’m guessing Apricot planned it that way and I was just slow to catch on.)
I have a weird feeling either the Magic or Thunder will reach and Barnes will be available at 7.
I have a much stronger feeling that Kuminga, aka Wing Wiseman, will fall to 7 and GSW will grab him and we will all need therapy
nooooo 😭
I'm glad someone brought Kuminga up. A guy who is supposedly in the top 5 he has precious little said about how good he is--or isn't. Looks to me that there is a a great chance that Kuminga will be available at 7. Do we want him?
Not me.
I've been thinking the same thing. Kuminga seems like a project with a lot of potential but maybe not what we need now.
FYI there will be a final boss fight vote between the winner of our Tourney and Barnes and Kuminga.
Feels more like Beebop and Rock Steady than final boss
Kuminga is a great physical specimen and uses his athleticism to get to the basket and finish. But, he shot 39%fg and 63%ft. 25% 3 ball. He is a project offensively. Not a great playmaker, either. Doesn't play D. He needs development. Has good potential but is really a one on one player, at the moment, very one dimensional. Sengun is a much surer choice with much better IQ and skillset.
Not me. I won't need therapy. No rookie is going to make that much difference. The hopes for next season rely on Klay getting mot of the way back to his old self plus I think one key pick up(for the sake of argument, let's say it's Love) plus maybe something like Chriss coming back and living up to his early promise. They just gotta make it. Then the main playoff rotation is Steph, Klay, Dray, Ender, Love, Poole, JTA, Looney, Chriss. I think Lee or another guard might get some time, but not much. Notice in this scenario we get to keep Wiseman, Kuminga AND #14 and maybe one of them shows up in the playoffs. If not, we still got a shot. Bonus if we get one more solid vet (Mills, Batum, etc.)
AKA “Draft day pornography”
Both teams have been known to draft terrific athletes with spotty jumpshots, so I'll be surprised if either Kuminga or Barnes are available at 7.
The dream
This is clearly Sengun for me.