OT/ So Jerry West's carreer spanned from 1960-1974. He's an NBA Champ, FMVP, NBA HOFer, Top 50 (1996), and Top 75 (2021) player... and he's the League's Logo (1969-Present). But he is becoming less culturally relevant as the game no doubt moves on and evolves...
I think there is an opportunity to honour the games most iconoclastic player in each 25 year period and use their silhouette for the 25 years since they played, e.g Jordan would have been 1975-1999's generational player and his silhouette could be used as the NBA logo from 2025-2049.
Thoughts? And since next season would be the cut off point for the last 25 years (2000-2024) which player would you choose to be on the Logo in 25 years time?
There is a great compilation of last 2 mins of each finals close out game spanning 25 years (sorry I have no idea where the link went, but on YouTube), and the thing that struck me was the prevalence of Kobe, Duncan & LeBron. Got to be one of those 3
I mean, we'd all like to see Steph's sleek profile, effortlessly releasing a high arcing shot, on the logo in 25 years, but they'd probably be forced to go with LeBron's by Nike. I'd be ok with that under the condition that they include the 'roid syringe sticking in his backside. What if they went with Harden's head snapping back, beard protruding towards the basket? I think we stick with Jerry.
We probably would have won the year the Bucks won and then figured out how to get Giannis when the Bucks crumbled under the pressure of never having won with Giannis.
I don’t think we win this year without Poole playing well. We need someone besides Steph who can get to the basket when the defense switches everything against the motion O…
Poole shows all the signs of being a .500 player. If the team is dependent upon him to win then it would be best to trade him sooner rather than later.
He was basically this year’s Oubre with his off the charts usage despite his inefficiency.
I disagree. JP had the strangest start to a season of any player I can remember. Getting punched in the face by one of our mentors -- a guy 10 years older and 35 pounds heavier -- would unsettle anyone. He gets a mulligan from me.
Maybe they'll trade him; maybe not. But I don't think he's destined to be a .500 player. He'll get back on track for someone. I'm hoping it's the Ws.
With the uncertainty of whether or not a young player has a chance of developing on this team, at the NBA level, there is the option of trading out of the 1st round into multiple picks in the top half of the second round. IND, SAS & CHA are all potential partners. Given the depth of this draft, and the fact that we have zero picks in 2024, if we could pile up 3 top-half 2nd round picks this year, we ship them off to SC and develop them where we know they will develop. That's 3 chances to hit on someone which softens the blow of being out of the draft the following year.
This draft may give us a chance to trade down since it’s pretty wide open after the first dozen players. On the other hand, probably more teams will be offering to trade down for the same reason.
FYI The 2024 draft is widely considered to be very weak.
I could see the appeal of #10 just to mess with Sactown and/or potentially extract some extra value from them down the road if/when Keegan decides he wants to play with him.
That angle does exist. I voted #10 because he seems like a solid player that could help right away and we need solid players on the bench. Along with his size and DNA, he looks like someone with BBIQ.
#10 - Assuming no trade and Warriors go with three plus years of college experience - ready to play prospect, I would go Murray. High BBIQ, strong rebounder, good on and off ball defender, outside shot… if the front office thinks he’s strong enough to play stretch 4, I think he’s a good fit. Play the role of OPJ or at least replace Lamb’s minutes, especially in that pairing Kerr liked with JK.
[Wojnarowski] ESPN Sources: The Toronto Raptors are finalizing a deal to hire Memphis Grizzlies assistant Darko Rajakovic as the franchise’s next coach.
#TWO - my priorities are at war. I like defense, youth, length, and shooting. Close one for me but I think youth wins out. Warriors are going to park #19 in the G league for a year or two anyway. We’re not looking for help now. I’ll go with the shooter and hope Kerr stays to help him figure himself out over the next few years.
As a side note one of my favorite trade down ideas of the 2020 draft was to trade the #2 pick and the trade exception for Aaron Gordon and the #15 pick. Lot of interesting talent on the table for that #15 pick: Maxey, Bane, Jaden McDaniels, Quickly. I think the Warriors really liked Saddiq Bey so that would have probably been the pick.
I’m not mad about it, but it’s a fascinating sliding door. He and Wiggins would be such a ridiculously good forward duo to have in their primes with Steph, Dray and Klay. Even that first year if they have Aaron Gordon all year instead of Oubre and not burning Wiseman minutes they were just going to be REALLY good.
I'd like to know what happened in the war room that year. I believe we were open to trade down ideas, but it takes two teams to make that happen and Covid threw a serious wrench in the whole process. Plus, the entire organization was in a state of shock and disbelief with the news about Klay. Between Covid's impact on the draft and Klay, I don't see how we can criticize that draft. After the gut punch, trading down seemed incongruous with the prevailing emotional state of that war room. You almost had to pick Wiseman, even if it was just the "idea" of what he could be. It was a dark day and the Warriors needed some hope, a glimmer of potential sunshine, and Wiseman fit the bill. All 7'1" of him. I think a lot of folks are critical of that draft while dismissing the context. Did we waste a #2 pick on false hope? Maybe. But on that day, hope was the position of need the Warriors were drafting to fill.
Poole, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, and Baldwin 2019-2022 are still above the average expectation for a #2, 7, 14, 28, and 28, imho. (Still somewhat TBD on all counts, but I love all those picks except Wiseman — and give a pass on Wiseman for their inability to do proper due diligence during the pandemic. Plus, the only guy in the top 15 that year that I’m really sad we missed out on is Haliburton. Plus, I liked the Wiseman pick at the time, and think he still has a chance to be pretty good).
The best player on the best team who just happens to play exactly the way the Warriors coach prefers to play? Hopefully his tournament success continues here!
#TEN, I've cooled off a lot on Hawkins since the first round. Kinda seems like he's just a 6'4 shooter with minimal other contributions? I guess if everything goes right he's JJ Redick? But was JJ Redick really as bad as Hawkins is inside the three point arc? I don't remember but I'm skeptical. Saw someone point out that Hawkins is 2 for 16 for his career on runners and that he's not that efficient on off the dribble 2 pointers (presumably they have access to Synergy data), it's not clear if he can do anything going toward the rim. I could see a case for Hawkins reaching that Hield or Redick upside, but he's probably likelier to be another Anthony Morrow.
#TWO. Murray reminds me too much of Jacob Evans, a "master of none" kind of player. Hawkins does two things exceptionally well - shoot and move intelligently - at a younger age, and he can put more muscle on and learn to defend and pass better as a pro in our system. But even if he never does he's a good situational piece and a complementary fit on the Dubs.
Oof, tempted to sit this one out. I just don't see what role Murray would play on the current roster, unless were to trade away JK or Moody, both of whom are a bit smaller but have a longer wingspan and are younger, yet have two years experience in the system. Can he reasonably defend some NBA bigs in the paint? If not, he can't even play the JMG role or fill in for Dray if he walks. If yes, then I'd lean his way.
It's even more of a question for Hawkins. Based on the description, he can't really play with Steph on the floor due to his lack of size and defense, and he can't play with JP for the same reasons, nor replace him due to lack of playmaking / handle. He would fit better if we could trade JP somehow for a defensive ace PG. I guess his role could be microwave scorer off the bench when we are down by a lot and the other team gets sloppy due to having a big lead.
Reluctantly, #TEN, but I might change my mind several times between now and the draft.
OT/ So Jerry West's carreer spanned from 1960-1974. He's an NBA Champ, FMVP, NBA HOFer, Top 50 (1996), and Top 75 (2021) player... and he's the League's Logo (1969-Present). But he is becoming less culturally relevant as the game no doubt moves on and evolves...
I think there is an opportunity to honour the games most iconoclastic player in each 25 year period and use their silhouette for the 25 years since they played, e.g Jordan would have been 1975-1999's generational player and his silhouette could be used as the NBA logo from 2025-2049.
Thoughts? And since next season would be the cut off point for the last 25 years (2000-2024) which player would you choose to be on the Logo in 25 years time?
There is a great compilation of last 2 mins of each finals close out game spanning 25 years (sorry I have no idea where the link went, but on YouTube), and the thing that struck me was the prevalence of Kobe, Duncan & LeBron. Got to be one of those 3
I mean, we'd all like to see Steph's sleek profile, effortlessly releasing a high arcing shot, on the logo in 25 years, but they'd probably be forced to go with LeBron's by Nike. I'd be ok with that under the condition that they include the 'roid syringe sticking in his backside. What if they went with Harden's head snapping back, beard protruding towards the basket? I think we stick with Jerry.
That got a spit take thanks 😂 I think if there was a players vote it might end up being Kobe.
It's hard to beat that Jordan logo. Best and most descriptive of the player and the game.
That's the name of the game, today. We are preparing a basketball oligarchy.
Random speculation from the deadline 2021:
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/report-warriors-have-had-aaron-gordon-talks-with-magic/1137889/
Oubre + Poole + Minnesota's pick for Gordon.
Would have been better this year for sure, but would we have won last year?
We probably would have won the year the Bucks won and then figured out how to get Giannis when the Bucks crumbled under the pressure of never having won with Giannis.
I don’t think we win this year without Poole playing well. We need someone besides Steph who can get to the basket when the defense switches everything against the motion O…
Poole shows all the signs of being a .500 player. If the team is dependent upon him to win then it would be best to trade him sooner rather than later.
He was basically this year’s Oubre with his off the charts usage despite his inefficiency.
I disagree. JP had the strangest start to a season of any player I can remember. Getting punched in the face by one of our mentors -- a guy 10 years older and 35 pounds heavier -- would unsettle anyone. He gets a mulligan from me.
Maybe they'll trade him; maybe not. But I don't think he's destined to be a .500 player. He'll get back on track for someone. I'm hoping it's the Ws.
Didnt Wiggins do in 2021 exactly what AGo is doing for Den this run?
I believe he did more.
With the uncertainty of whether or not a young player has a chance of developing on this team, at the NBA level, there is the option of trading out of the 1st round into multiple picks in the top half of the second round. IND, SAS & CHA are all potential partners. Given the depth of this draft, and the fact that we have zero picks in 2024, if we could pile up 3 top-half 2nd round picks this year, we ship them off to SC and develop them where we know they will develop. That's 3 chances to hit on someone which softens the blow of being out of the draft the following year.
This draft may give us a chance to trade down since it’s pretty wide open after the first dozen players. On the other hand, probably more teams will be offering to trade down for the same reason.
FYI The 2024 draft is widely considered to be very weak.
#lightyears to trade the 2024 pick years ago!
I could see the appeal of #10 just to mess with Sactown and/or potentially extract some extra value from them down the road if/when Keegan decides he wants to play with him.
#10
That angle does exist. I voted #10 because he seems like a solid player that could help right away and we need solid players on the bench. Along with his size and DNA, he looks like someone with BBIQ.
#10 - Assuming no trade and Warriors go with three plus years of college experience - ready to play prospect, I would go Murray. High BBIQ, strong rebounder, good on and off ball defender, outside shot… if the front office thinks he’s strong enough to play stretch 4, I think he’s a good fit. Play the role of OPJ or at least replace Lamb’s minutes, especially in that pairing Kerr liked with JK.
Darko has been freed earlier today, apparently:
[Wojnarowski] ESPN Sources: The Toronto Raptors are finalizing a deal to hire Memphis Grizzlies assistant Darko Rajakovic as the franchise’s next coach.
#TEN then trade back
#TWO - my priorities are at war. I like defense, youth, length, and shooting. Close one for me but I think youth wins out. Warriors are going to park #19 in the G league for a year or two anyway. We’re not looking for help now. I’ll go with the shooter and hope Kerr stays to help him figure himself out over the next few years.
As a side note one of my favorite trade down ideas of the 2020 draft was to trade the #2 pick and the trade exception for Aaron Gordon and the #15 pick. Lot of interesting talent on the table for that #15 pick: Maxey, Bane, Jaden McDaniels, Quickly. I think the Warriors really liked Saddiq Bey so that would have probably been the pick.
I’m not mad about it, but it’s a fascinating sliding door. He and Wiggins would be such a ridiculously good forward duo to have in their primes with Steph, Dray and Klay. Even that first year if they have Aaron Gordon all year instead of Oubre and not burning Wiseman minutes they were just going to be REALLY good.
I'd like to know what happened in the war room that year. I believe we were open to trade down ideas, but it takes two teams to make that happen and Covid threw a serious wrench in the whole process. Plus, the entire organization was in a state of shock and disbelief with the news about Klay. Between Covid's impact on the draft and Klay, I don't see how we can criticize that draft. After the gut punch, trading down seemed incongruous with the prevailing emotional state of that war room. You almost had to pick Wiseman, even if it was just the "idea" of what he could be. It was a dark day and the Warriors needed some hope, a glimmer of potential sunshine, and Wiseman fit the bill. All 7'1" of him. I think a lot of folks are critical of that draft while dismissing the context. Did we waste a #2 pick on false hope? Maybe. But on that day, hope was the position of need the Warriors were drafting to fill.
Yah. I think it’s Perry safe to say that the blown #2 was a huge wasted opportunity to extend the dynasty.
“Perry safe” meaning we got the second coming of Perry Jones III? 😊
Now there's a blast from the past!
*checks wiki*
This season, he played for the TaiwanBeer HeroBears . . . with Hasheem Thabeet.
They made a lot of great moves that got another championship, too. My point wasn’t the mistake or missed opportunity
More just that when you see how critical Gordon is on a great team and fun to imagine him here
I think Wiggs fits better here. Better 3 pt. shooter, defense, and overall BBIQ. I would trade PBJ for him, though.😋
Poole, Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, and Baldwin 2019-2022 are still above the average expectation for a #2, 7, 14, 28, and 28, imho. (Still somewhat TBD on all counts, but I love all those picks except Wiseman — and give a pass on Wiseman for their inability to do proper due diligence during the pandemic. Plus, the only guy in the top 15 that year that I’m really sad we missed out on is Haliburton. Plus, I liked the Wiseman pick at the time, and think he still has a chance to be pretty good).
Oh, Haliburton…I thought you were gonna say Davion Mitchell.
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The best player on the best team who just happens to play exactly the way the Warriors coach prefers to play? Hopefully his tournament success continues here!
#TEN, I've cooled off a lot on Hawkins since the first round. Kinda seems like he's just a 6'4 shooter with minimal other contributions? I guess if everything goes right he's JJ Redick? But was JJ Redick really as bad as Hawkins is inside the three point arc? I don't remember but I'm skeptical. Saw someone point out that Hawkins is 2 for 16 for his career on runners and that he's not that efficient on off the dribble 2 pointers (presumably they have access to Synergy data), it's not clear if he can do anything going toward the rim. I could see a case for Hawkins reaching that Hield or Redick upside, but he's probably likelier to be another Anthony Morrow.
Murray just seems like a better bet to me.
#TWO. Murray reminds me too much of Jacob Evans, a "master of none" kind of player. Hawkins does two things exceptionally well - shoot and move intelligently - at a younger age, and he can put more muscle on and learn to defend and pass better as a pro in our system. But even if he never does he's a good situational piece and a complementary fit on the Dubs.
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https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/1667296912943493120/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1667296912943493120
#2, smart off ball defender. #TWO
Oof, tempted to sit this one out. I just don't see what role Murray would play on the current roster, unless were to trade away JK or Moody, both of whom are a bit smaller but have a longer wingspan and are younger, yet have two years experience in the system. Can he reasonably defend some NBA bigs in the paint? If not, he can't even play the JMG role or fill in for Dray if he walks. If yes, then I'd lean his way.
It's even more of a question for Hawkins. Based on the description, he can't really play with Steph on the floor due to his lack of size and defense, and he can't play with JP for the same reasons, nor replace him due to lack of playmaking / handle. He would fit better if we could trade JP somehow for a defensive ace PG. I guess his role could be microwave scorer off the bench when we are down by a lot and the other team gets sloppy due to having a big lead.
Reluctantly, #TEN, but I might change my mind several times between now and the draft.
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