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Anyone have access to the man-games lost to injury site? I'm curious to see how the Warriors stack up vs other teams.

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No but the page has a small graphic that one can download and blowup. looks like the dubs maybe top 25%(?) . But it says "NBA Injury Data Summary: The Orlando Magic (402 games missed by injured players) and Los Angeles Clippers (342) have been the most injured teams in the NBA. The Minnesota Timberwolves (136) and Houston Rockets (138) have been the healthiest." https://www.mangameslost.com/category/nba/

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that's tough without context. It's cut so you can't see axis labels, and there's some sort of interplay between location and size of dot

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ayo makes it easier for us to retain him post rookie contract if Wiseman’s knees keep acting up lol.. :( Who am I kidding this sucks. I just want to see the homie’s game grow on the court.

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

Bad news about Wise -- not that I expected him to be a world-beater, but I was hoping he might be able to eat some minutes clogging the middle. That decision not to add a big man smarts right about now.

Still hopeful about Steph. For now, count me with those who think the rest will do him some good. Whatever happens in the playoffs -- whomever they draw as an opponent, whatever the path, I hope Steph goes ballistic in the playoffs, Poole follows suit, Klay plays within himself, Wiggs finds his aggression, Dray stays healthy and runs the show, and GPII, OPJ, and Iguodala are healthy enough to show out. I just want to see them at something approaching their best, and I'm happy to let the chips fall as they may. Go Warriors!

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You forgot: JFK stuns the world!

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022Liked by punk basketball

OT Tough decision. I am two weeks in, three weeks away from finishing my last practicum of my postgrad diploma to graduate as a teacher... and with demands mounting I need to take a mini sabbatical from DNHQ :( Wherever we end up, it's been 3 years since we last got there! So see you all in the Playoffs!!!

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Congrats , almost there! ✊🏽

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Good luck 🙌🏻

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Go git it!

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I want to avoid the Mavericks in the first round so I don't know if them losing and further entrenching into the 4/5 slot is good if the Jazz start winning. Then again the Nuggets and Wolves are close to them in losses (not sure who owns what tiebreaker) so even if the Jazz overtake the Warriors it might not matter.

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I think the Nuggets are the really dangerous team out of that 4-6 group, actually. If they get the healthy squad around Jokic they could peak in the playoffs. Mavs got Doncic and a lot of average dudes; it's hard to imagine a healthy Dubs squad getting pushed by them.

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I agree, but mostly because the travel & altitude vice team

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Remaining strength of schedule:

Jazz: #7

Mavericks: #27

Nuggets: #14

Timberwolves: #5

I think based on strength of schedule, Timberwolves would remain at #7 seed, while the Jazz, Mavericks, and Nuggets could shuffle around the #4-6 seed spots depending on how they play.

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I’m not sure strength of schedule (as measured by opponents’ W-L) is a very reliable indicator with this few games left in the season. Good teams often rest key guys late in the season; and bad teams can be playing balls to the wall to get in the play-in round.

Minny’s playing really well and are now just 0.5 games behind the Mavs and 1.5 behind the Nuggets. They also have the best net rating of the three teams. I wouldn’t write off their chances of rising a spot or two.

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Actually, the Nuggets are 0.5 games ahead and the Mavs are 1.5 games ahead of the Wolves.

But wow. I didn't know the teams were so close to each other in the standings.

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

Ah, my bad, flipped ‘em. In any case, the three are all pretty well bunched up; and the Wolves are playing great.

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To me the Mavs, Jazz, Nuggets, and Wolves are all pretty comparable first-round draws. At least close enough where I wouldn’t do anything to try to “dodge” any of them. Careful what you wish for. Any of them could knock off the Ws if a few things swung their way, but I think the Ws if healthy would be a solid favorite over any of them.

As a man from Georgia once said, tho: “Nothing Easy!!!”

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The Wiseman setback is a huge disappointment. This team is still a competitive one, but not a championship one. I'm sure many of the fans are harboring championship hopes but that just comes with the territory, the history of the Dubs and our memories. Now we get to see what the support players can actually bring without any sugar coating. This is the reality of the situation and we can moan and groan or just accept the circumstances as they are. For myself, I am looking at the offseason for some changes, perhaps some big ones, perhaps as usual, only minor tweaks and other vet signings. No one knows what the future brings.

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

Wait! I don't always remember who said what. Are you saying that you had Wiseman pegged as the key to the Dubs being a championship team this season? Have you been saying that all along (I don't save receipts or anything, I'll believe you)? The most optimistic projection for JW I've seen is that he would eat up 10 or so productive playoff minutes and give Dray/Loon a rest against the biggest guys we might face. Were you saying he was going to contribute MORE than that this season (edit: i see below that you didn't. leaving the rest of my post for continuity)? If so, you are the most optimistic Wisman-stan in all of Dubnation (and kudos to you for being such a bold outlier). If not, then, 10 minutes a game of a guy who is still developing doesn't seem to be the gamebreaker your post suggests it is.

Personally, your outlook seems really depressing and un-fun as a fan. To me, IF Steph comes back in time and 100-ish% and everyone else stays healthy except JW then I think the Dubs have a strong enough chance to win a chip in a year where there's not a prohibitive favorite, to keep watching and hoping.

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Don't know why you deduced that.

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

“No one knows what the future brings” … but the Warriors are not going to win the championship, lol.

In any case, I doubt Wiseman’s setback changes the calculus one way or another.

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Cut and paste distorts what I said. The future in this case is next season and the inevitable changes that will be made.

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The 2022 playoffs are also in the future, last I checked.

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Exactly

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Lol. Talk about throwing in the towel before the real season has even begun

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From your first couple sentences, it sounds like you think Wiseman was the difference. Am I reading that wrong?

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No, I don't think he was the difference. I think he might be able to shore up the paint and give Looney some help. I'm not under any illusion about JW, I don't think. I always felt we wouldn't see him this season. I do feel he was absolutely the wrong pick for us in a win now situation. Down the road, its' a crap shoot. Maybe or maybe not he will fit with the Dubs next season. They could have been far ahead of this learning curve with a different pick, but that's water under the bridge.

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“The Wiseman setback is a huge disappointment. This team is still a competitive one, but not a championship one.”

That sure sounds like you think Wiseman is the difference between championship or not.

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Nope. Just that in this particular time, we could slot him in and see what we've got till Steph returns. Looney needs help, no matter what else is going on, we are small and weak in the paint.

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Random streams of consciousness don’t require any logical coherence! ;-P

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Silver lining today amidst the wiseman letdown: Mavs and Lakers lost!

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No hate. Just playoff seeding

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Hmmm, I’d guess there’s a small measure of, let’s call it “healthy dislike” for Dallas and the Mavs in the Bay Area, for sports and cultural reasons.

Personally, while I have many dear friends from and/or living in Texas, and world never “hate” a whole diverse state or city…

F*** Transgender hate laws

F*** Anti-women’s choice laws

F*** The Kennedy assassination

F*** Jerry Jones and the Cowboys

F*** Mark Cuban and the Mavs

YMMV…

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Just seeding for the upcoming playoffs, I think.

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No “I think” needed. But, I do hate that the Mavs have played us well and came back from 21…

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

With adversity comes opportunity...

Luckily the team is in pretty good position standings wise considering what was expected or hoped for at the start of this season.

Almost all of the players have for the most part met or exceeded any reasonable expectations!

A tough and tricky way to finish what has been an overall great season...up to this point.

We should only have expectations (with some hope) for more of the same from the 2021/22 Golden Sate Warriors!!

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Another shitty day as a Warriors fan , Lacob said we had 5 centers, the truth is that i don’t find not a single one in the team, not even Looney is a true center, hire a 7 footer, come on!

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Per sleepy Freud: I could do this all day! Ahahahha

Kuminga. I guess? He’s played a bunch of minutes as the de facto C.

But I gotta say, the “Myers sucks” / generic angry fan on Twitter schtick doesn’t really suit you, SoL.

Looney is plenty big for a modern-day NBA center: shortish in head height, but you don’t grab boards or block shots with your head; and Loon’s wingspan and standing reach are huge. He’s built a lot like Rob “Timelord” Williams or Al Horford, the anchors of the Celtics #1 NBA defense. And the Warriors have the #2 NBA defense, anchored by Loon at C. Go figure.

Wiseman wasn’t gonna be playing much if at all in this year’s playoffs anyway; nor was some scrapheap midseason pickup. In games that matter, the bulk of C minutes will be split between Dray and Loon, with spot minutes here and there for Beli, JK, and Otto. That’s always how it was gonna be.

In any case, calling Dray and Bjelica “power forwards” is semantics, not an actual argument. The Warriors core of *bigs* is Dray, Loon, Wiggs, Otto, Kuminga, and Bjelica — six guys with more than enough length, strength, experience, toughness, and skill to cover 96 minutes per game.

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It’s a sensible take. There are about 5-6 players on this roster that could slide to the 5 depending on the matchup so Myers wasn’t wrong

BUT there’s also a reason why the vast majority of NBA teams are carrying at least two ‘traditional’ Centers on the roster. Loon and Wiseman would be that yes (spare me Bjeli because he’s been a PF at the NBA level most of his career) BUT the moment Wiseman had his setback in December it should have been an all out sprint to add a big body

This isn’t just the fans. Zach Lowe just this morning, when writing about Kuminga said “ The misguided (for this season) obsession with James Wiseman has focused on Wiseman's verticality and size as an ingredient these Warriors have never had.”

They were counting on a wing and a prayer. Not to pat myself in the back but I had said a couple of weeks ago that Wiseman was not going to see any NBA action this year. Kerr pretty much had confirmed that a day earlier when he told the fan base to completely temper expectations on Wiseman WHEN in fact it was the FO Ownership who heaped a ton of expectations on him by not going out and signing another big

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Yoshi

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

“Spot minutes here and there.”

Lots of teams run out guys as small as Otto and Kuminga for spot minutes here and there at C, including the Warriors.

In the playoffs, I’d guesstimate 38-45 minutes at C for Loon + Dray, with likely another 3-10 for some combo of Bjelica, Porter, and Kuminga, depending on matchup.

Wiggs, Porter, and JK will play much more at the 4, of course. Often the distinction is not that meaningful, which is why I noted the team has “six bigs.” And … I actually forgot JTA, who has played spot minutes at both PF and C for us. So make it seven bigs.

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I wouldn't mind kuminga at the 5 at all I thi k he should have got way more minutes there, otto will survive unless it's a footer but he doesn't provide the rim protection kuminga does, wiggins is a no go to me lol

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Fwiw, I never proposed Wiggs at C. But I think he’s perfectly equipped to play some or most of his time at PF in the right matchup.

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Except it’s not giving up that much of an advantage, while gaining an advantage to use those skills you suggest would be wasted…

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Regardless of what we might think is desirable, it’s pretty unlikely Dray and Loon are going to play 48 minutes at C in every single playoff game.

That leaves a few minutes at C for Bjelly or the power forwards (JK/Otto/Wiggs/JTA), and it seems pretty obvious based on Kerr’s tendencies this season and in previous seasons that he won’t be afraid to put one of the power forwards in the pivot for a few minutes here and there in what he perceives to be a favorable matchup.

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

Basketball is a fluid game with a lot of switching… it’s not like we’re putting Wiggins or Kuminga on the block by himself to defend Embiid… it’s a team sport with a lot of different ways to attack/defend.

14/15 Warriors revolutionized the idea of: switch defensively and stop penetration at all costs, and put playmakers on the floor to take advantage of larger slower players. The league has caught up a bit, maybe, but it’s not like those principles are obsolete.

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It feels not too long ago Steve was saying he believed Wise would be ready to replicate aspects of Aytons game this season....sigh. Poor guy. Must be super demoralising. Hopefully Dray can connect with him Embiid so he knows hes not the only one to go through this (shout out to whoever shared the Dray & Embiid interview link on here - that was awesome).

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Mavs down by 30 at Charlotte in fourth quarter

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Second loss in 2 days coming up for them. They playoff seeding race is fun to watch

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And these dumbasses didnt sign a backup center smh is it too late to sign one?

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We have a good track record of FA Centers for cheap until last year for whatever reason

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I'm still not letting go not resigning chriss

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I’m copying and pasting a “SleepyFreud” comment as a response:

Kuminga. I guess? He’s played a bunch of minutes as the de facto C.

But I gotta say, the “Myers sucks” / generic angry fan on Twitter schtick doesn’t really suit you, (SoL.)

Looney is plenty big for a modern-day NBA center: shortish in head height, but you don’t grab boards or block shots with your head; and Loon’s wingspan and standing reach are huge. He’s built a lot like Rob “Timelord” Williams or Al Horford, the anchors of the Celtics #1 NBA defense. And the Warriors have the #2 NBA defense, anchored by Loon at C. Go figure.

Wiseman wasn’t gonna be playing much if at all in this year’s playoffs anyway; nor was some scrapheap midseason pickup. In games that matter, the bulk of C minutes will be split between Dray and Loon, with spot minutes here and there for Beli, JK, and Otto. That’s always how it was gonna be.

In any case, calling Dray and Bjelica “power forwards” is semantics, not an actual argument. The Warriors core of *bigs* is Dray, Loon, Wiggs, Otto, Kuminga, and Bjelica — six guys with more than enough length, strength, experience, toughness, and skill to cover 96 minutes per game.

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Juan Toscano Anderson is another "big" who can add minutes, and a slightly different dimension, to the mix.

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Jta is not a small ball five, I rather have him then bjelica next to dray tho

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Bjelica shouldnt play a single minute in the playoffs, I love looney but he too gets tired quick and has free throw issues, an average big body to throw out there for 10 minutes like wcs will do, dray is our main playoff center but still need some emergency size

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Bjelica can play with Dray in certain limited match ups… if he’s fixed his shot. So, it’s probably not going to happen, lol

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Even with dray he will be attacked every possession, curry n bjelica or poole n bjelica will be put Into pick and rolls every time

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

If he’s got his shot back, he’s a plus on the floor unless there’s a dynamic guard that eats everybody alive, or Jokic. There’s going to be a few min here and there where it can make sense

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Mar 19, 2022·edited Mar 19, 2022Liked by punk basketball

Gary Payton II remains out for the Warriors tomorrow vs the Spurs. Moses Moody is questionable with right shoulder soreness. Andrew Wiggins and Nemanja Bjelica will both return.

https://twitter.com/anthonyvslater/status/1505296633533124610?s=21

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Boo…

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I really hope our front office gets multiple centers in the upcoming offseason.

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

Hmm.

I still think after re-signing Looney, and assuming Wiseman's health isn't longterm career threatening, I think just one more 6'10+" rebounding and rolling guy would be good.

Basically, replacing Bjelica's roster spot with a true rebounding/screen-rolling bigman.

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How? I too would like to have someone over 6'9" on the team but being desperate for one is how we got here to begin with. We will be looking for so/so vets to fill in.

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Mar 19, 2022·edited Mar 19, 2022

I wouldn’t say this is a setback per se on Wiseman. He’s a humongous human being (even bigger than Jaron Jackson). Off-season he needs to shed some of that bulk and put some lean muscle on those stilts for legs. This is an absolute indictment on the FO/Ownership. I get this is their shiny toy and understandable that they didn’t chase a big man at the beginning of the year but by December they should have been in full blown get another big man mode. Not much of a difference would it make now BUT it would have netted us a win or two more earlier in the year instead of having Bjeli be a traffic cone on defense

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I recall Looney bulked up his upper body after his hip surgeries and it turned out it was too much too fast for his lower body.

Wouldn't surprise me if same happened to Wiseman.

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I feel bad for Wiseman. Also feel for the other players, playing an entire season small, because the FO wanted to guarantee a rotation spot to a rookie center who has had many setbacks, while the players are trying to win it all. But according to Bob..the Dubs have 5 centers. Hoping Wise heals up, and has a productive summer, that puts him in a better position next year.

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That’s the issue here. We were already operating on a razor thin margin and we’re playing to appease the owners ego because he wants to see his investment on the court as much as possible. Wiseman is a singular talent and I’ve always said he’ll be a top 10 center some day but we got the horses to win it this year. You can’t just say ‘deal with a lack of c’ on a hypothetical that he would be back when he’s had a ton of setbacks already. Just frustrating man.

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Every NBA team gets thin somewhere… if we had added another replacement level center, we’d be decrying the wing issues with all the wings out… or that without Steph, there’s literally nobody behind Poole. It’s a tough situation with so much invested in Wiseman.

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Is Bob high or something? Looney's too short to be a true center, and Green and Bjelica are power forwards. Wiseman's the only true center in our roster, and he's probably not going to return this season because of the injuries.

And who's the 5th center according to Bob?

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Mar 19, 2022·edited Mar 19, 2022

Kuminga. I guess? He’s played a bunch of minutes as the de facto C.

But I gotta say, the “Myers sucks” / generic angry fan on Twitter schtick doesn’t really suit you, SoL.

Looney is plenty big for a modern-day NBA center: shortish in head height, but you don’t grab boards or block shots with your head; and Loon’s wingspan and standing reach are huge. He’s built a lot like Rob “Timelord” Williams or Al Horford, the anchors of the Celtics #1 NBA defense. And the Warriors have the #2 NBA defense, anchored by Loon at C. Go figure.

Wiseman wasn’t gonna be playing much if at all in this year’s playoffs anyway; nor was some scrapheap midseason pickup. In games that matter, the bulk of C minutes will be split between Dray and Loon, with spot minutes here and there for Beli, JK, and Otto. That’s always how it was gonna be.

In any case, calling Dray and Bjelica “power forwards” is semantics, not an actual argument. The Warriors core of *bigs* is Dray, Loon, Wiggs, Otto, Kuminga, and Bjelica — six guys with more than enough length, strength, experience, toughness, and skill to cover 96 minutes per game.

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I like this take, mainly because I feel calmer; but there is plenty to argue about in the realm of semantics (in basketball) after all, it’s about meaning of words

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I'm just frustrated about the amount of injuries that we're dealing with and how we didn't sign a center like Chriss who could be useful and would deal with bigs in other teams. I think the FO tried to go for a center like Hartenstein, but when he decided to stay with the Clippers, the FO was like, "Meh. Let's just stack up on wings instead." Thus, the roster is filled with wings and not enough bigs; an opposite of what we had in the 2017-2018 season.

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Mar 20, 2022·edited Mar 20, 2022

Dray = Dray

2022 Loon = 2018 Zaza

Bjelly = DWest

Wiseman = JaVale/DJones

Otto/Wiggs/JTA = Durant/Casspi

Kuminga = 2018 Loon

So we lost our McGee/Jones, but those guys were mostly stapled to the bench in games that mattered in 2018. Not seeing where the teams were “opposite” in their basic construction.

I’d sooner argue the 2018 team was over-weighted with bigs, given how much they had to rely on Swaggy P at the wing, and how close they came to being eliminated when Andre got hurt. And in terms of depth, I think guys like GP2, JTA and DLee are more likely to be useful to us in a playoff game or series than an extra Damian Jones.

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You are grasping at straws, methinks. This is not your 2015 Warriors team, or any of the teams that won 3 rings. We don't look like those teams, play like those teams, have the 'luck' of those teams.

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Chiozza, duh

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The idea that the team plays small. I understand where Bobs coming from because I don’t think they anticipated Wiseman being out for the year.

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Via Slater:

James Wiseman's return to the Warriors has stalled, sources tell @ThompsonScribe and me. Swelling in his right knee. Not practicing with the Warriors the past two days, as initially planned. Won't play in Santa Cruz tomorrow. Status beyond uncertain. https://t.co/9eOAtSIOGT

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His snake bitten career continues, gotta feel bad for him. Could be worse though, even if the Warriors decline his fourth year option (which they won't unless this injury really snowballs) and he never plays again, he'll have made 27 million in his career. A kid like Harry Giles who also dealt with injuries only made 8 million in his career, and he was the #1 ranked high school prospect in 2016.

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WAIT WHAT??? I have tickets!!!

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No longer worth $35,000 🙁

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I could not be any sadder.

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Mar 19, 2022·edited Mar 19, 2022

It’s tempting to get upset about this, but he was not going to contribute anything meaningful this season. And silver lining: this absolutely MUST underline the need to get another 7 footer before next season.

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The issue really isn't this year. As many including myself predicted after the last setback, JW wasn't likely to even play much less contribute for the Dubs this year. The issue is the Summer. Dude is desperate for reps. He has to play this Summer and in camp to have a shot at a constructive 22-23.

As others have noted, the danger here is that JW is nowhere with his development a year from now. That reality could lead the Dubs to move on from him.

Obviously, best not to overreact. But the Dubs have placed a huge bet on him, and so far we've got nothing to show for it.

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For me, the issue is the FO thought he'd contribute, hence not signing another 7 footer either in the offseason or during the season.

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In related news: available FAs and their agents also would have thought Wiseman would contribute, and would have assessed their options accordingly.

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And did if I remember right.

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Baze signed with LAL looking at starting opportunity, and I’m pretty sure Batum had similar logic behind staying in LAC with Kawhi out. Hartenstein will have known it’d be him and Zubac, too, I’d think.

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But you'll need some sort of protection when worst-case scenario probably happens, and the FO didn't think it would happen.

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As far as the bet, if we only hit on Kuminga, Moody and Poole I’m good with that. I just hope Wiseman’s career isn’t over before it starts.

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💯

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And Poole is already a big win for #28 pick, so yay!

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Make’s one think twice about moving on from Wiggins too. One thing you can say for #22, “general illness” notwithstanding, he’s very durable.

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Uuuuuuuuggggghhh

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Alright, just hold him out the rest of the season. Any bigs still out there on the market?

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