So for some reason I started wondering about "championship pedigree" and how many guys there are in the league who actually have won championships, and I wondered, should 3x champion Pat McCaw get more credit than 1x champion (and 5x conference champ) Kevin Love? Were those guys just along for the ride?
We all know Steph and LeBron are the two greatest players of the last 10 years. So I began to think, what if we set aside all the championships those guys won and looked at who *else* has championship rings in that time? (For simplicity, I'm only counting guys with any playoff stats on the winning team, not guys who were traded mid-season and awarded a ceremonial ring or something.)
The "last 10 years" is the period 2014-2023. If you remove all of them won by Curry and LeBron, the remaining championships are:
2014 Spurs: 14 players, led by Tim Duncan & Kawhi Leonard. 4 guys are still active in the NBA.
2019 Raptors: 14 players, led by Kawhi. 8 of them are still active, including Kawhi & Danny Green who were both counted already on the Spurs' championship team.
2021 Bucks. 17 players, led by Giannis Antetokuonmpo (all new faces to this list). 15 of them still active.
2023 Nuggets. 15 players, led by Nikola Jokic (also all new faces). Presumably all still active.
That's 40 different active players who have non-Steph, non-LeBron NBA championships. (~7% of all players who played in the NBA in 2023) And in fact, you have to go back to the 2011 Mavericks to find another non-LeBron championship, and all of the players from that team are retired now, so presumably this holds if you limit it to "active players" with no further time frame.
Weirdly, Kawhi has never won an MVP award despite all his other accolades including 2x Finals MVP. And 2015 Steph Curry won his first MVP and championship in the same year. But in all other cases, the top player on the winning team had already won an MVP award in a previous season before becoming a champ. That rule also holds for LeBron, and even KD if you count him as the Dubs' top player in some years (I don't).
What's my point in all this? I'd say it actually surprised me a little in how much it backs the "team with the best player is most likely to win" thing. And despite MVP awards sometimes being questionable, they are pretty predictive of who's likely to win a championship, often soon after the award.
Based purely on this, I'd say it's fair to put 2024 championship contenders as:
Tier 1: Denver, Milwaukee, Philly
Tier 2: Golden State and both LA teams (assuming Bron doesn't retire)
(You might say, "What about Boston and Miami? Shouldn't the runner-up be considered a contender the following year, too?" And I say, that sounds very valid, but that's research I'm not about to do at this hour.)
History has shown the Westbrook MVP was exactly the farce we thought it was, but I'm less convinced that Embiid's is like that. His team has at least been towards the top of the standings and competitive in the playoffs. I don't really watch enough Sixers/Eastern conference games to have a strong read on who's a paper tiger.
I'm willing to give CP3 a chance because if it works, he can at least help us get a better seed in the regular season before falling apart, and if it doesn't work the team can not guarantee his deal for '24-'25 and maybe get under the dreaded second apron. That could make it easier to get better in '24 at least. I am less sanguine about Podz and trading PBJ for TJD. I want them to prove me wrong but if they suck, I want to see Dunleavy's head on a spike outside Chase.
I'm not crazy about the Podz pick, which feels like an FO tunnel-vision pick, and personally believe GS and many other teams are going to regret both Nick Smith and Cam Whitmore. But on the rest, my question would be where was PBJ going to actually play on this team? He is basically a tall small forward, and everyone has been clamoring for more Kuminga playing time which will come at the same 2/3 slot. His extra shooting just got replaced by Podziemski, who is better at it. I can't see any world in which PBJ gets off the bench any more than last year behind Wiggins and Kuminga, and TJD appears to be a high floor, mid-ceiling plug and play banger/rim-protector to give Green and Looney some help and minutes relief at the 4/5, which I've seen no sign PBJ can do. It's pretty clear from this off-season that in terms of young stars, GS is hitching its wagon to JK and Moody, both of whom will gain minutes after the Poole trade, and then trying to find players that let the core play fewer regular season minutes. I'm okay with that.
No no - dont go - we need each other for support during these times. And for now, Steph is still there and the joy and love he plays with is should be enough to overcome the best intentions of Dun-kirk, Kerr and Draymond :-)
It's not just PBJ, it's the whole thing. And it''s not the victory. I'm pretty aware that this team has the experience and the talent to win back to back rings in '24 and '25. Even more likely, with the fact that with Dray and CP3 together we will have home officiating even at BOS. Fact is, I don't command over my own happiness . It's a matter of love betrayed... Sorry guys, you shouldn't even listen to my pitiful whining.
You gotta stick around. I'm just going to relish watching Kerr get frustrated as his Lollypop Guild gets crushed on the boards and generally overwhelmed athletically every night.
I feel you. But Steph is still on the team, Klay is still here. GP2 has returned, and we still have Loondawg and Kerr. I won't know if it's a fun team to watch until they play. But a lot of the ingredients are the same as the ones that were fun!
In italian we call it 'scazzo'. I recommend you don't even try to pronounce it. It means loss of happiness, entousiasm, motivation. That's what's assailing me.
Last year there was the stab in the back by Gary Payton, then the punch on my face by Dray. This year I have to give up Bob Myers, and Jordan Poole. The fact is, I'm slowly realising that what I like of this team it's not the wins, but the nice people, the fun every night.
I tell you honestly, I don't know if I am going to stay up all those nights to do the thing that gave me the ultimate joy: watching the Dubs play. I don't know if this is my team anymore.
And I fully expect another kick in the b***s with the JK trade.
Well, how 's the cycle? Anger - sadness - indifference? Soon will come indifference.
We know change is part of life, and we knew the core was getting older so some change was going to happen. Bob leaving is something else but still, he worked very hard for a long time, and it was time for him to try something else. But GP2 did not stab us in the back; he got an offer to make bigger money beyond a 2-way or minimum roster spot salary for the first time and he took it. He would have been foolish not to. And he came back home at that higher salary, so it was the right move in the end. The Punch of course is a whole 'nother thing, and we've all discussed that. I wanted to see what PBJ would become but having slept on it, I'm good with giving TJD a chance. He could be an exciting player.
If we actually see CP3 play alongside Steph/Draymond/Klay that will be the weirdest fucking thing, like, wtf? Didn't you guys hate each other for like 5, 10 years? Has the time really come to lay down our daggers and take up common cause?? Like, setting aside personalities and history it makes basketball sense but you can't just set aside personalities!! (see also: Green, Draymond)
we gonna sign Harden, Brooks, and bring back Cousins next? It's just baffling to me.
I want to come around on this one and embrace the "he's our sneaky bastard now" perspective, but it's just too weird. It probably won't feel real until I see him actually play for us.
In head-trip land, I keep waking up in the middle of the night remembering that CP3 is a banana-boat guy, that people have been speculating about Dray joining Lebron in LA since the France trip, and wondering if this is instead the precursor to Lebron joining CP3 and Dray at Golden State . . . you think CP3 playing for GS by himself is weird - just try to wrap your head around that for a minute. If GS announces today they are signing Carmelo out of retirement and adding Dwyane Wade to the coaching staff, watch out!
I suspect the players don't hate each other and might even be friendly. We fans hate CP3, so we have to adjust. Steph, Klay, and Dray might be fine with him as a teammate.
I think JP and Dray actually might hate eachother :P And I'm sure there is plenty of personal beef around the league. It might actually be Ring Chasing CP3 who adjusts and fits in and we root for his redemptive transformation??
Gotcha. I'm not so sure though. From the CP mock Shimmy to the training centre “Kick me off the court again, boy,” to the “This ain’t 2014 no more,”, it sounds like Steph and him got some history. Maybe older brother jealousy vibes? I doublt Klay got any CP3 love! Will wait and see for sure...
I really hope at the first Kerr/CP3 press conference, when asked about the Chris Paul Fake Laugh incident, they both Laugh at each other and then stop deadpan................ and then laugh it off and then stop deadpan....... and then laugh again :)
I know what you mean but: All-Star Games. They're lousy games but I like them for the usual showboating stuff but also because you get to see guys ignore the whole MY TEAM IS MY TEAM stuff and just mess around playing ball. How many times have CP3 and Steph played together in some exhibition setting? Obviously OK no one get on my case I do in fact know the difference between an exhibition and "real" game, but I think it tells us something. I've never like CP3 but not because he kicked my dog. It was because he was on rival teams. Now he isn't, so I can work my way around to liking him. I just don't view the whole thing with all that much patriotic loyalty. Remember KD? Also: remember how KD was treated in OKC five minutes after leaving? Also: remember the burning of LeBron jerseys in Cleveland ... until he came back, when they unburned all those jerseys.
Yeesh, now we gave up on PBJ? I dunno, TJD is pretty interesting but... still, PBJ? Baldwin still seems like a ton of untapped potential/promise to me with size and shooting ability plus (somewhat untested?) BBIQ...
Adrian Wojnarowski reports: the Golden State Warriors have traded championship-winning Jonathan Kuminga to the Indiana Pacers for the 55th pick in the draft, Isaiah Wong. Pacers have also included in the deal, a 2030 second round pick, protected with "if I feel like it"
I completely forget Wiggins and Looney in the offseason. No trade rumors, no salary talk, no questions about how new or potential players will fit with them. They just hoop.
Well, Greg Oden would say the teams that pick them. Although in this instance, where a team is looking for immediate help as GS is, I gotta say I think I would have tried to roll a hard six.
He’s a wreck… couldn’t bring himself to say “Steph” until his third attempt to talk about the players… and the interviewer “I hadn’t thought about that!”ing when he mentions the full circle is just something else
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Just logged in... What-in-the-actual-fu¢₭ity-fu¢₭ just happened?! Did the FO not get the DNHQ memo that we NEVER want Chris Paul to win a Championship??!! FUUUUUUUUUU¢₭!!! And therapy was going so well...
What happened was that your Warriors managed to save money, get off a bad contract, and add a player who might help them win a chip. No guarantee of course but I think it all makes sense as decision making
Like I said, they've been making sense in their decision making. Getting rid of a 20 year old who was a strong 7th man at age 20 in his second season and has immense upside would not be bright decision making, whatever little beef he and kerr have or don't.
Wait a second.. I saw that multiverse movie. What if we get porky-paul?! If Space Jam has taught me anything, it's connect Wayne Knight with third rate cartoons and achieve success. We still gotta figure out who is gonna have the stretchy arms for the winning basket though...
It's not that he *has* helped anyone win a chip; it's that the FO is hopeful he will. What I am saying is that is a rational hope. It's not a guarantee, it's just rational.
Other things Chris Paul is known for: annoying everyone including teammates, adjusting his game to fit the team (in Houston), controlling the tempo of the game, on-court maturity/calm/leadership. Let no one think I have been his little lunch buddy all these years. I'm just saying the FO is being sane.
Nobody is saying that 38 year old CP is 2016 Durant, it’s merely pointing out that not having won championships in the past is not necessarily indicative of a players potential to contribute to a championship.
I swear, I almost feel like people sometimes deliberately misunderstand statements in order to avoid addressing the actual disagreement.
Draymond punched Poole in the face and the franchise was forced to pick which player they were going to pick. One guy brings you four rings, world class defense, and key leadership on offense. The other guy brings you high volume missing.
Sounds like the Baldwin-for-Jackson-Davis move is going to save the Warriors close to $10M, counting tax penalties. I think Baldwin might turn into a very useful player, but I think TJD is much more likely to get into Kerr's rotation this season and stay in it.
So for some reason I started wondering about "championship pedigree" and how many guys there are in the league who actually have won championships, and I wondered, should 3x champion Pat McCaw get more credit than 1x champion (and 5x conference champ) Kevin Love? Were those guys just along for the ride?
We all know Steph and LeBron are the two greatest players of the last 10 years. So I began to think, what if we set aside all the championships those guys won and looked at who *else* has championship rings in that time? (For simplicity, I'm only counting guys with any playoff stats on the winning team, not guys who were traded mid-season and awarded a ceremonial ring or something.)
The "last 10 years" is the period 2014-2023. If you remove all of them won by Curry and LeBron, the remaining championships are:
2014 Spurs: 14 players, led by Tim Duncan & Kawhi Leonard. 4 guys are still active in the NBA.
2019 Raptors: 14 players, led by Kawhi. 8 of them are still active, including Kawhi & Danny Green who were both counted already on the Spurs' championship team.
2021 Bucks. 17 players, led by Giannis Antetokuonmpo (all new faces to this list). 15 of them still active.
2023 Nuggets. 15 players, led by Nikola Jokic (also all new faces). Presumably all still active.
That's 40 different active players who have non-Steph, non-LeBron NBA championships. (~7% of all players who played in the NBA in 2023) And in fact, you have to go back to the 2011 Mavericks to find another non-LeBron championship, and all of the players from that team are retired now, so presumably this holds if you limit it to "active players" with no further time frame.
Weirdly, Kawhi has never won an MVP award despite all his other accolades including 2x Finals MVP. And 2015 Steph Curry won his first MVP and championship in the same year. But in all other cases, the top player on the winning team had already won an MVP award in a previous season before becoming a champ. That rule also holds for LeBron, and even KD if you count him as the Dubs' top player in some years (I don't).
What's my point in all this? I'd say it actually surprised me a little in how much it backs the "team with the best player is most likely to win" thing. And despite MVP awards sometimes being questionable, they are pretty predictive of who's likely to win a championship, often soon after the award.
Based purely on this, I'd say it's fair to put 2024 championship contenders as:
Tier 1: Denver, Milwaukee, Philly
Tier 2: Golden State and both LA teams (assuming Bron doesn't retire)
(You might say, "What about Boston and Miami? Shouldn't the runner-up be considered a contender the following year, too?" And I say, that sounds very valid, but that's research I'm not about to do at this hour.)
There should be an mvp campaign caveat:
The Westbrook mvp campaign and the Embiid mvp campaign feel very similar and probably aren’t actually relevant to title contenders
History has shown the Westbrook MVP was exactly the farce we thought it was, but I'm less convinced that Embiid's is like that. His team has at least been towards the top of the standings and competitive in the playoffs. I don't really watch enough Sixers/Eastern conference games to have a strong read on who's a paper tiger.
I'm willing to give CP3 a chance because if it works, he can at least help us get a better seed in the regular season before falling apart, and if it doesn't work the team can not guarantee his deal for '24-'25 and maybe get under the dreaded second apron. That could make it easier to get better in '24 at least. I am less sanguine about Podz and trading PBJ for TJD. I want them to prove me wrong but if they suck, I want to see Dunleavy's head on a spike outside Chase.
I'm not crazy about the Podz pick, which feels like an FO tunnel-vision pick, and personally believe GS and many other teams are going to regret both Nick Smith and Cam Whitmore. But on the rest, my question would be where was PBJ going to actually play on this team? He is basically a tall small forward, and everyone has been clamoring for more Kuminga playing time which will come at the same 2/3 slot. His extra shooting just got replaced by Podziemski, who is better at it. I can't see any world in which PBJ gets off the bench any more than last year behind Wiggins and Kuminga, and TJD appears to be a high floor, mid-ceiling plug and play banger/rim-protector to give Green and Looney some help and minutes relief at the 4/5, which I've seen no sign PBJ can do. It's pretty clear from this off-season that in terms of young stars, GS is hitching its wagon to JK and Moody, both of whom will gain minutes after the Poole trade, and then trying to find players that let the core play fewer regular season minutes. I'm okay with that.
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True dat! 🤣
TJD is truly a steal. But was it PBJ for TJD straight up?
I think the Warriors got cash
I confirm. The PBJ's trade confirms that this is not my team anymore. This may be my goodbye.
I mean, I can see being miffed about having to root for longtime Dub Nation villain CP3. But is PBJ v. TJD really that much of a dealbreaker?
No no - dont go - we need each other for support during these times. And for now, Steph is still there and the joy and love he plays with is should be enough to overcome the best intentions of Dun-kirk, Kerr and Draymond :-)
Within all loving hearts is the capacity to forgive. Accept the betrayal and then come back with open arms. The love is still here.
That's a pretty odd outlook for someone who has seen this team win so much and so thoroughly without any contribution whatsoever from one PBJ.
It's not just PBJ, it's the whole thing. And it''s not the victory. I'm pretty aware that this team has the experience and the talent to win back to back rings in '24 and '25. Even more likely, with the fact that with Dray and CP3 together we will have home officiating even at BOS. Fact is, I don't command over my own happiness . It's a matter of love betrayed... Sorry guys, you shouldn't even listen to my pitiful whining.
I hear you. It hits everyone differently... FWIW You are a great and valued poster :)
Thank you.
You gotta stick around. I'm just going to relish watching Kerr get frustrated as his Lollypop Guild gets crushed on the boards and generally overwhelmed athletically every night.
I feel you. But Steph is still on the team, Klay is still here. GP2 has returned, and we still have Loondawg and Kerr. I won't know if it's a fun team to watch until they play. But a lot of the ingredients are the same as the ones that were fun!
+ Wiggs, JK, Moody, Santos. And probably Dray…
In italian we call it 'scazzo'. I recommend you don't even try to pronounce it. It means loss of happiness, entousiasm, motivation. That's what's assailing me.
Last year there was the stab in the back by Gary Payton, then the punch on my face by Dray. This year I have to give up Bob Myers, and Jordan Poole. The fact is, I'm slowly realising that what I like of this team it's not the wins, but the nice people, the fun every night.
I tell you honestly, I don't know if I am going to stay up all those nights to do the thing that gave me the ultimate joy: watching the Dubs play. I don't know if this is my team anymore.
And I fully expect another kick in the b***s with the JK trade.
Well, how 's the cycle? Anger - sadness - indifference? Soon will come indifference.
I'm not feeling it yet either.
We know change is part of life, and we knew the core was getting older so some change was going to happen. Bob leaving is something else but still, he worked very hard for a long time, and it was time for him to try something else. But GP2 did not stab us in the back; he got an offer to make bigger money beyond a 2-way or minimum roster spot salary for the first time and he took it. He would have been foolish not to. And he came back home at that higher salary, so it was the right move in the end. The Punch of course is a whole 'nother thing, and we've all discussed that. I wanted to see what PBJ would become but having slept on it, I'm good with giving TJD a chance. He could be an exciting player.
Gutted PBJ went as well 😞 I think we may regret that more than JP
Especially since TJD is a huge question mark.
If we actually see CP3 play alongside Steph/Draymond/Klay that will be the weirdest fucking thing, like, wtf? Didn't you guys hate each other for like 5, 10 years? Has the time really come to lay down our daggers and take up common cause?? Like, setting aside personalities and history it makes basketball sense but you can't just set aside personalities!! (see also: Green, Draymond)
we gonna sign Harden, Brooks, and bring back Cousins next? It's just baffling to me.
I want to come around on this one and embrace the "he's our sneaky bastard now" perspective, but it's just too weird. It probably won't feel real until I see him actually play for us.
What a day.
Fans tend to care a lot more about this kind of stuff than players.
In head-trip land, I keep waking up in the middle of the night remembering that CP3 is a banana-boat guy, that people have been speculating about Dray joining Lebron in LA since the France trip, and wondering if this is instead the precursor to Lebron joining CP3 and Dray at Golden State . . . you think CP3 playing for GS by himself is weird - just try to wrap your head around that for a minute. If GS announces today they are signing Carmelo out of retirement and adding Dwyane Wade to the coaching staff, watch out!
We'd have to change our name to BRHQ: The Banana Republic Head Quarters!
I suspect the players don't hate each other and might even be friendly. We fans hate CP3, so we have to adjust. Steph, Klay, and Dray might be fine with him as a teammate.
I think JP and Dray actually might hate eachother :P And I'm sure there is plenty of personal beef around the league. It might actually be Ring Chasing CP3 who adjusts and fits in and we root for his redemptive transformation??
I was referring specifically to CP3 and our core guys not making a general statement across the league.
Gotcha. I'm not so sure though. From the CP mock Shimmy to the training centre “Kick me off the court again, boy,” to the “This ain’t 2014 no more,”, it sounds like Steph and him got some history. Maybe older brother jealousy vibes? I doublt Klay got any CP3 love! Will wait and see for sure...
Maybe it's one of those things where the rivalry was bitter back in like 2014-16 but nowadays they're like old pals with shared history.
I really hope at the first Kerr/CP3 press conference, when asked about the Chris Paul Fake Laugh incident, they both Laugh at each other and then stop deadpan................ and then laugh it off and then stop deadpan....... and then laugh again :)
It’s like a movie plot where rivals have to team up to take down the evil empire
I know what you mean but: All-Star Games. They're lousy games but I like them for the usual showboating stuff but also because you get to see guys ignore the whole MY TEAM IS MY TEAM stuff and just mess around playing ball. How many times have CP3 and Steph played together in some exhibition setting? Obviously OK no one get on my case I do in fact know the difference between an exhibition and "real" game, but I think it tells us something. I've never like CP3 but not because he kicked my dog. It was because he was on rival teams. Now he isn't, so I can work my way around to liking him. I just don't view the whole thing with all that much patriotic loyalty. Remember KD? Also: remember how KD was treated in OKC five minutes after leaving? Also: remember the burning of LeBron jerseys in Cleveland ... until he came back, when they unburned all those jerseys.
Green seemed to hate Lebron after 2016. See how that turned out ;)
Yeesh, now we gave up on PBJ? I dunno, TJD is pretty interesting but... still, PBJ? Baldwin still seems like a ton of untapped potential/promise to me with size and shooting ability plus (somewhat untested?) BBIQ...
I agree that PBJ is either all of those things or: he sucks. It's one of the two.
Almost strictly contract and freeing up another salary slot purposes
This year CP3, next year Westbrook. Rings for the lost generation.
We kept Kuminga right?... Right!?
End game right there
Adrian Wojnarowski reports: the Golden State Warriors have traded championship-winning Jonathan Kuminga to the Indiana Pacers for the 55th pick in the draft, Isaiah Wong. Pacers have also included in the deal, a 2030 second round pick, protected with "if I feel like it"
You forgot the part where the Pacers threw in Myles Turner to sweeten the deal.
Woj nuke.
also included is a promise to swap Nembhard stories with Steve Kerr's long-winded recollections of the Michael Jordan era
I'm still here ain't I?
🫡
So far!
I completely forget Wiggins and Looney in the offseason. No trade rumors, no salary talk, no questions about how new or potential players will fit with them. They just hoop.
Night night.
The reason why Cam Whitmore wasn't drafted earlier:
Can Whitmore’s medicals creating all sorts of worrying. This has come back to haunt teams more often than not.
https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1672054113566113792
It comes back to haunt the teams that pick them, or the ones that pass on them??
Well, Greg Oden would say the teams that pick them. Although in this instance, where a team is looking for immediate help as GS is, I gotta say I think I would have tried to roll a hard six.
Oden fell all the way to #1 overall.
And haunted the team that picked him for years.
Chris Paul about him getting traded to Warriors
https://twitter.com/sudharsan_ak/status/1672129304702992385
That’s a shell shocked man… probably thinking about the reality of his having to come off the bench for the first time…
You think so? I would imagine Wiz asked what teams he interested in and Warriors would be in there
He’s a wreck… couldn’t bring himself to say “Steph” until his third attempt to talk about the players… and the interviewer “I hadn’t thought about that!”ing when he mentions the full circle is just something else
Steph be like, "Now I am the Master!"
That's where I am haha
Just logged in... What-in-the-actual-fu¢₭ity-fu¢₭ just happened?! Did the FO not get the DNHQ memo that we NEVER want Chris Paul to win a Championship??!! FUUUUUUUUUU¢₭!!! And therapy was going so well...
What happened was that your Warriors managed to save money, get off a bad contract, and add a player who might help them win a chip. No guarantee of course but I think it all makes sense as decision making
And kept jk (so far) which is why yu are so calm and not throwing a tantrum :)
Like I said, they've been making sense in their decision making. Getting rid of a 20 year old who was a strong 7th man at age 20 in his second season and has immense upside would not be bright decision making, whatever little beef he and kerr have or don't.
I'm slightly too young but this was my Star Wars, "No, I am your Father" moment.
😂
Wait a second.. I saw that multiverse movie. What if we get porky-paul?! If Space Jam has taught me anything, it's connect Wayne Knight with third rate cartoons and achieve success. We still gotta figure out who is gonna have the stretchy arms for the winning basket though...
It's not that he *has* helped anyone win a chip; it's that the FO is hopeful he will. What I am saying is that is a rational hope. It's not a guarantee, it's just rational.
Other things Chris Paul is known for: annoying everyone including teammates, adjusting his game to fit the team (in Houston), controlling the tempo of the game, on-court maturity/calm/leadership. Let no one think I have been his little lunch buddy all these years. I'm just saying the FO is being sane.
Similar things would have been said about (an admittedly much younger) KD back in 2016… just saying…
Nobody is saying that 38 year old CP is 2016 Durant, it’s merely pointing out that not having won championships in the past is not necessarily indicative of a players potential to contribute to a championship.
I swear, I almost feel like people sometimes deliberately misunderstand statements in order to avoid addressing the actual disagreement.
I know that you know that KD knew that if CP3 knew that this is hilarious
On a serious note, here's the shot chart for both CP3 and JP:
https://i.redd.it/3btrdvwtum7b1.jpg
One loves to shoot from anywhere on the floor, the other likes to get to his favorite spot and shoot from there.
(MDJ on his first as GM)
(Sees a note that says: "Do NOT get Chris Paul on our team. -Bob")
MDJ: Sorry, Bob. (rips the note to pieces)
Refreshing it may be
And add in a gratuitous nut kick/smack
Draymond punched Poole in the face and the franchise was forced to pick which player they were going to pick. One guy brings you four rings, world class defense, and key leadership on offense. The other guy brings you high volume missing.
Thank you asher, o feel better aboit my handle now
Sounds like the Baldwin-for-Jackson-Davis move is going to save the Warriors close to $10M, counting tax penalties. I think Baldwin might turn into a very useful player, but I think TJD is much more likely to get into Kerr's rotation this season and stay in it.
https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/1672131016214069249
How nice would it be to have Donte opt back in with the Warriors.