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I just posted in a newer thread that the Warriors signed Kaleb Wesson for the training camp. This guy may bring a whole new set of possibilities to the Dubs if he can hang with the boys. Big body stretch 4 or 5. 6'9" 270lbs. Not fat and can shoot 3's.

Personally, I'm very excited to see what Kerr & Co will cook up for us. I am a believer in Kerr's way with players and how he will get the best out of this group. Unfortunately, there is not a whole lot of time between the start of training camp and beginning of the season. It's going to take a bit of time for the players to get used to each other and develop the necessary chemistry. Lots of talent here. Everyone keeps mentioning speed but I fear this could also lead to more injuries. High IQ, ball movement, and execution will be key. Our Klay was the real iron man on this team until his ACL tear. This guy never missed a game. Don't forget Steph has a history of leg/ankle injuries. If he goes down, all bets are off. Take care, Warriors. Speed can kill!

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Nov 27, 2020Liked by punk basketball

-can Kerr, Curry, and Draymond Green carry this team into the upper echelon again?

HM....Only if Kerr plays.....

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When do the Warriors have to make a decision on picking up Smailagic's option for 2021-2022?

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not for a while: July 6th

He's also holding another non-guaranteed year after that

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I can totally see Nicholas Batum in a sort of hybrid Livingston / Igoudala 2nd team role on the Warriors. He wouldn't need to score a lot, just facilitate and play D. Here is the holdup on him finding a new home among the half dozen possibilities that were mentioned a few days ago.

Nov. 25 updates

11:02 a.m. ET: The Boston Celtics and Charlotte Hornets have worked on a sign-and-trade for Gordon Hayward that would land the Celtics a trade exception, but the Hornets have first been trying to find a third team for Nicolas Batum's $27 million contract to see if there's a way to avoid waiving-and-stretching his money, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. Hayward remains headed to Charlotte on a four-year, $120 million contract.

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how could we do that though? That's way out of our price range.

I don't know how the waiver wire works with DPE, but I sorta doubt we could try and grab him by just putting up that $9mil exception

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The only way it would work is if Charlotte isn't able to include him in the framework of this deal they are working on. They would have to waive him, stretch his salary, and then the Warriors might be able to get him for the rest of the mid level.

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Either Batum or GR3 would give us a playable backup at each position. Not that they’d necessarily play together in a full bench mob, but Wanamaker, Bazemore, Batum/GR3, Paschall and Looney is a fairly solid group that makes the team far less dependent on guys like Mannion and Poole. (I think they’re counting on Wiseman for a bit of production.)

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Good assessment of the current situation, Duby!

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How many left handers?

This might change the offense dynamics.... however, defense will be the key!

It has looked to me that in the past several seasons they have been beaten on top regularly, even by dribbling with the basketball towards the hoop.

The W's have gotten younger, so hopefully faster/quicker, especially at the point of attack on defense. If so, that will be a big help!

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OT I think Christian Wood is a huge signing for Houston. Enormous upgrade on Capella, and somehow they got picks in the process. That's going to be a brutal PnR. If it weren't for the Westbrook albatross, if they still had Paul, I'd say they were genuine contenders. What a dumb trade that was.

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The offense is fun to watch, but I'm very curious to see these guys play defense. They are very long, young and fast. They will be in the passing lanes. But need to learn to move their feet. Draymond is likely to be constantly coaching on the floor, though, and getting in the face of underperformers. We'll see how that goes.

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Totally agree... need quick feet from the players guarding the ball handlers.

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Nov 24, 2020Liked by punk basketball

Well written Duby. Absolutely this team will need to play lock-down D and run every chance they get if they are going to be contenders. I'm excited to see what they can be.

One interesting thing about Oubre is that a lot of those transition buckets were more early offense than fast break. That's a lot easier to generate. And if you imagine Wiseman cutting to the basket and drawing defense with (vertical) gravity, there should often be lanes set up for Oubre or Baze or Wiggins to attack or folks left alone on the perimeter. Could be extremely effective, but it all starts with good defense. I'm looking at you here Andrew.

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Yeah, the defense is going to be the key to everything. There are a bunch of players on this team with the physical tools to be amazing defenders (footspeed, wingspan) that the right line up could make it *very* hard for the opposing team to score. The half-court offense is going to struggle if you end up with lineups with more than two of Dray, Wiseman, Chriss, and Looney (unless one of those guys suddenly has a reliable jump shot) but on the other side of the court the blocks, deflections, and steals are going to be off the charts. If the team can keep the fouls down, transition buckets will power the offense.

If this season goes well, I think we'll see some kind of dunk-centric alternative to the "Splash Bros" develop. I'm actually kind of looking forward to seeing the rivalries that develop within the team for finishing crazy lobs. We already know Chriss's catch radius is crazy good, Wiseman is huge with reportedly a soft touch, Oubre is a known posterizer, and Smiley's proven to be absolutely fearless. I bet Steph & especially Dray have a whole lot of fun playing the "Throw the ball vaguely in the direction of the hoop and see if someone jams it" game.

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That's my take as well, this Warriors team will essentially be "the death lineup" but with a 7 foot, 19 year old "small" center. The reason that lineup worked, aside from having elite shooters, is that they got after it on defense forcing turnovers which turned into fast break points. If Wiseman, Oubre, and Wiggins can't play aggressive, competent, defense it is going to be a poor season, but if they do, the Warriors could surprise a few people.

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Gave it a 👍but I feel this comment deserves even more love. Season in a nutshell. Great take!!!

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Any chance this team signs IT? Now that he’s had a couple year to recover he could be a significantly better option than Poole.

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I'm not sold. Players talk about being healthy "for the first time in a long time" fairly often, and yet when we see them try to re-enter the league, it almost never works out. (Just thinking of B Diddy and Webber's second stint).

Even assuming IT is blowing by people, it still leaves tons of questions about his defense unanswered. So personally, I'd probably pass. If we are just looking for blind signings, give me Jeremy Lin back.

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"Players talk about being healthy "for the first time in a long time" fairly often, and yet when we see them try to re-enter the league, it almost never works out."

This makes me very sad about Klay :(

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Klays game isn't all that predicated upon pure athletic burst. Klay is a very cerebral player who anticipates opposing moves very well. He's not gonna lose his ability to be a pure shooter or a good team defender. Gone may be the days that he's tasked to defend the opposing teams quickest guard at the highest stakes BUt we'll be ok if FO keeps focusing on adding/keeping some defensive wing depth where maybe you can pair with Klay when Steph on the bench

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Or will we be relying on our 2nd round pick, which would be awesome if he’s ready to play early. Am I more down on Poole and Lee than most folks here? Poole basically progressed from worse than Evans to marginally better than Evans over the course of last year. And even with Klay, the biggest hole on the roster coming into the season is still there: the team is really going to struggle offensively with Steph off the floor.

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I can’t imagine seeing Mannion playIng much this year outside Santa Cruz. I guess I am someone who would be pretty high on school. His changing from shoot everything (early rookie season) to efficient facilitator (pre-shutdown) was very encouraging. But to see him completely change his body in the Dubble has me most excited. He seems more mature, the game seems slower, he seems more confident and self assured. All signs indicating to me he has achieved some sort of breakthrough in how he understands the game. This could all be wrong on my part but that is just what I gather from his body language. I am very happy to see what he can do with this team.

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“High on school”? Meant to say Poole. Geez.

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Ha, figured that :). If the game stays slower for Poole when the season starts that will be really good news. And anyone who used the super extended off season to improve should have a huge plus next to their name on the roster!

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I think Poole improved tremendously over the course of the season but I'm still not high on him because he was starting from such a low point (seriously, like, contender for worst in the NBA) that even improving by leaps and bounds means he's now just at the normal entry point for NBA players. And the higher you go, the harder it is to improve, so even if he continues to grow rapidly the ceiling is probably "not an embarrassing part of the rotation."

I would love to be proven wrong, but if he's even a league-average shooter and defender by the end of this season that'll be a victory for him.

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Would you rather have Lin or Poole as the playmaker when Steph is off the floor?

Wannamaker seems to be a defensive move, and there doesn’t seem to be another playmaker or true passing big on this roster (Unless Chriss or Paschall has progressed on their passing improvements at the end of past season.)

Folks seem to be looking for another big, but the major hole on this roster appears to be playmaking when Steph is off the floor.

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I think Chriss is already an elite passing big.

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3.4 assists per 36 last year on a roster full of substandard shooters.

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I had completely missed that, and if those numbers can hold up in more minutes I think we might see Chriss getting a Draymond-like role in the new team, playing alongside other bigs.

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Looks like another camp invite to go along with that guy from yesterday

@NBCSWarriors

French wing Axel Toupane reportedly has agreed to an Exhibit 10 contract with the Warriors, and has accepted an invite to training camp

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Nov 24, 2020Liked by punk basketball

Dwayne Sutton...just watched some of his film. Looks like a potential keeper!!

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Nov 24, 2020Liked by punk basketball

Which is why I'm absolutely so grateful that either Gasol spurned us or we had no real interest in signing him. Imagine Gasol trying to run with Curry, Oubre, Wiggins, and a hopefully in shape Draymond? This would have been decent signing last couple of years were we needed our Center passing out of the high post, but again if our goal is to maximize our current personnel then this role is far less important this year than in years past.

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I think you need a Gasol (or another beefy big) for when the game does slow down into half-court offense. Transition baskets are harder to find in the playoffs, and you need a half-court plan. If the W's don't get a big, then they need someone else besides Curry who can get buckets in the set offense.

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Why not bring Isiah Thomas to camp to see if he really has his burst back? He would serve an absolute need if healthy & What is there to lose?

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Bring 5'6 isiah thomas to the warriors so that teams will target him for easy baskets right? Didnt u watch the playoffs and how teams destroyed kemba so much that ainge was shopping him for a lottery pick afterwards. Please small guards without extraterrestial talent are useless in the playoffs.. Isiah thomas cant help us. If u are a celtics fan u guys can take him back

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Ah the gold old Celtics, class of the league!

Seriously though the roster’s main issue appears to be secondary playmaking. Steph’s on off splits are going to make a great case for MVP if the Warriors have a good record this year. Iguodala, Barbosa, Livingston, and passing bigs (West) have held up on the second unit in the past. But if Poole is the only other playmaker on this roster, that’s a cause for concern.

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Agreed. IT+Wanamaker+Batum+Paschall+Chriss would be a good bench mob...then trade for PJ Tucker later (of course) and use the DPE on him.

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Nov 27, 2020Liked by punk basketball

Wanamaker at PG and Bazemore at SG is a much MUCH better defensive team, and better overall.

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One of the few bigs still available is Taj Gibon, who the Knicks released just before free agency began. He'd be a great mentor to our young center core too. Can't believe that NYK let Gibson go with Thibodeau as coach now, when he played for him in both Chicago and Minnesota. But ... it's the Knicks. Gibson has always been a good defender and he was good offensively around the basket and in the midrange. I think he added a 3 point shot too several seasons ago.

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Fine, but... who are we going to cut to make room?

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Ok and I've heard the argument multiple times before. Games don't slow down for a whole game or even halves. If this is the case with the Warriors then we are in a world of trouble. What we need is positional flexibility. This year's teams potential strength is in its ability to run in open space but it doesn't mean players like Curry nor Draymond can't operate in a half court set.

You bring a plodder like Gasol into the mix and then the whole teams strength will be negated and be forced to operate in a half court set everytime. That's great if you have Thompson and Curry cutting and Durant along the perimeter. Less ideal when you've replaced them with the likes of Oubre and Wiggins

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Draymond can only operate if curry is doubled. We saw how rhe raptors ignored him and he was useless.. we need just 2 good shooters to complete this roster..mulder and one more guy.. let smiley go back home..

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The team was in shambles by then, Durant and Klay weren't the only ones. This team is not the same team at this point. Adding Oubre on the wing and Wiseman as a lob threat will help unlock Draymond compared to what he had to work with in the Finals and last year.

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Let’s not discount Gasol’s value. He would have served as the Bogut role. Those two years of Bogut starting, the Warriors played at a much faster pace of his rebound and outlet passing, and they maximized the value of Steph, Klay, and Iguodala’s cutting because of his top of the key passing. And if the other team left him, Steph would use him as a screen handoff for a wide open shot. Gasol would have been a huge positive for Steph, but the Warriors had already invested too many roster spots, dollars, and draft capital in the center position for it to make sense.

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While it's great to have a center who can run the break, most fast breaks aren't 5 on 5. It's quite common for the transition game to sometimes have someone slower bringing up the rear. We're not going to get the majority of our points from transition buckets (what's our best case? 20%? I'm not doing the research right now). So what happens the other 80%? Do you get a smart passer and/or outside shooter and/or big screener who knows how to play NBA offense (and defense)? That's what Gasol (or some other big) brings. It's why Bogut and Zaza (and West too) were important pieces. We don't have one of those now.

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It's not entirely the transition offense, it's also being able to disrupt the opponents offense which Wiseman has the ability to do if he really can be an elite defender and defend all 5 positions. Call me skeptical at this point that he will be, I mean he is 19 with all of 3 college games, but for this Warriors team to be competitive they are going to need to play lock down defense. The shooting, outside of Curry, isn't there.

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Mark my words. The Center position top to bottom this year will be our positional strength. Chriss, Looney, and Wiseman (although I don't think he'll contribute as much as people think) give you three different looks. You're right in saying that a fast break doesn't traditionally constitute a clean 5 on 5 BUT my phraseology probability should have differentiated between a fast break and the ability to try and play downhill: something that we haven't done in recent years past AND that plodding centers are less suited to do so now.

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We’ll see if Chriss’s passing work has paid off. He’s really seemed to try to improve in all the areas the Warriors need him to. Probably still a few years away from getting there, but he’s giving hope.

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the entire premise of this article was inspired by Slater's read of Oubre. I have no idea how playable Wiseman is gonna be, but I think it's a safe bet to say that for maximum impact, we don't want him slogging through a bunch of slow half court sets

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I am excited about Oubre. He will help us in multiple ways, not least on defense. I am also happy with the Wiseman pick but I expect he will make a whole lot of rookie mistakes this season. Hopefully Kerr can use him at times when the mistakes won't hurt us too badly, and by the playoffs Wiseman will have figured some of it out. That will be a lot easier if Looney is truly healthy.

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It would be awesome to see the ball go from under the hoop to a dunk or 3 within 2 passes and 5 seconds again. That led to some killer runs that left the opposition spiraling. We missed that during the Durant era.

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Once things are clicking, i fully expect to see this a lot. We have never been this athletic...literally. Kerr will continue to preach ball movement with these rim runner types...so the expectation should be fast penetration to the rack + kickouts to the shooters(we need more of those)

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Nov 24, 2020Liked by Eric Apricot, punk basketball

Excellent overview. Thank you! Can’t wait for basketball to begin. The Warriors will be fun to watch again.

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