well, if I still had an editor, he'd be furious this wasn't split into two, but let's move the conversation to this weird trade thread/preview monster I just published, please
Porzingiz health: Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS) is a chronic, often debilitating, blood circulation and autonomic nervous system disorder characterized by an excessive heart rate increase (\(\ge 30\) bpm in adults, \(\ge 40\) bpm in teens) upon standing. Key symptoms include lightheadedness, fainting, brain fog, and severe fatigue, usually without a significant drop in blood pressure. Treatment includes increased water and salt intake, compression garments, and, in many cases, structured exercise.
Porzingis has appeared in only 17 games for the Hawks this season after playing just 42 out of 82 for the Celtics in his final season in Boston.
The Warriors hope to get Porzingis back healthy and productive for the stretch run. He hasn't played since Jan. 7, but team sources said they anticipate Porzingis will make his return soon after joining Golden State. The Warriors are 27-24 and currently eighth in the Western Conference.
He was suppose to play against the Heat yesterday but didn't because of an illness excuse. Could be the POTS flare up or an excuse because he was getting traded.
>>>[Fischer] Sources: After trading James Harden to Cleveland earlier this week, the Clippers have still been receiving calls on starting center Ivica Zubac, with the Indiana Pacers prime among his suitors.<<<
>>>I'd keep an eye on the Warriors' potentially salary dumping Horford by the deadline tomorrow. Feels a little redundant to have him on the roster now with Porzingis and Post.
Would be good for them to get out of his $6M player option for next season.<<<
Wouldn’t be crazy to expect Al to fall of a cliff at any moment performance-wise, but I think he’s been more than worth that salary this season and expect that to continue to be the case next
Yikes! Horford is someone I’d want next year too - even if Porzingis wakes up one day feeling great. Glad TJD is on a team that might play him. But we have no Looney and no TJD. Post is slowly getting there (starter level on playoff team) - but isn’t yet.
"Redundant" feels odd... neither Horford nor Zinger could be expected to play enough to make a redundancy worth worrying about. A more likely rationale for trading Horford is that Warriors have decided to become sellers, and trading Horford could net a 2nd round pick or something...
@gswcba.bsky.social: [[ A look at the Warriors' cap sheet following both trades: 🔹Opened two roster spots
🔹Cut 25/26 total payroll by $26M (salary+tax)
🔹Cut 26/27 total payroll by $74M (salary+tax) ]]
@shamsbot.bsky.social: [[ The Warriors had Porzingis as a target for the last couple of months and land the floor-spacing big man. For the Hawks, a high-upside wing for Quin Snyder and a sharpshooter on the wings. ]]
This sounds like GSW thinks Porzingis will be healthy enough to play again in the NBA this year?
Honestly I hate it. After all that drama for years with Kuminga they’ve essentially traded his expiring contract and Buddy’s expiring (he had a small 3m guarantee but was essentially expiring) for an expiring attached to basically a basketball corpse. Porzingis is a theoretical basketball player now. It doesn’t matter about his skill set if he never plays.
Really hope there’s an endgame because what we’ve actually done is remove optionality over matching salary in the summer. If we’d just kept JK and Buddy we could either have waived them and saved money or guaranteed them and traded for another player.
Generally I try not to pan the front office because they tend to do a better job than most, but this is beyond underwhelming if it is the actual plan B.
Yeah if there is any hope of contention in Curry's final years, they need to be maxing out the tax payments, not lowering them. This feels like basically waving the white flag on contention in his final years (which could be prudent, but not very exciting for fans).
True, but these past draft picks are sunk costs at this point. I'm just happy they didn't have to attach a pick to unload Kuminga for someone who wouldn't have improved the team much.
They give KP a tryout this year and if it's a good fit, maybe they can sign him on the cheap next year. A lineup with Steph, Dray, Moody, JB, and KP, if healthy, could be pretty darn good. And Dubs would keep their draft picks.
Losing Jimmy, and then Steph going down with an issue that's probably gonna keep rearing its head the rest of the season really did suck the life out of the team, huh...
TJD's time as a Dub was quite disappointing. He started out great but never showed any real improvement as his shooting near the bucket got worse and he didn't improve from the foul line. Guess that's the downside of drafting a 4-year college player.
As the 55th pick though? Id say he exceeded expectations after that first year AND pretty much met them the rest of the way. If anything id say weve done a heck of a job drafting in the second round lately to where TJD seems like a disappointment
And I bet that was a big sticking point. We'll give you Giannis, but you have to give us literally every pick and swap available, and you gotta give us every young player, yes, even that Richard guy, and you also have to take all our bad contracts too.
Well that would save the Bucks a lot of money when KP's contract expires this summer (and Draymond the summer after unless bought out). But it would leave them with no assets for Giannis, and if they're rebuilding, that doesn't seem wise.
True. I guess it depends on what the Bucks really want. We read that they wanted a really good young player plus picks but we can't know whether that's their real expectation. Could be.
I think aging and increasingly injured Steph + increasingly injured Giannis (even if great when they play) with aging and oft-injured Butler coming off an ACL partway through the year and no Draymond, along with our current supporting cast, is no better than an expensive 6th seed and maybe not that.
And without those picks, we're going to really not be happy in a couple of years.
>>>[Charania] The Golden State Warriors have officially ended their pursuit of Giannis Antetokounmpo. Golden State was of the belief that Milwaukee is not serious about trading their 2x MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo at the deadline.<<<
Noooo. I still want him on the move by tomorrow whether it's to Miami or Minnesota. I don't think I can stomach the possibility of the Lakers or OKC landing him in the offseason.
They probably did have multiple conversations. That doesn't mean they could close a deal now that they liked and that would send Giannis someplace he wanted to go.
MIL went fishing to see what was out there because you don't know until you try. Ultimately they decided to wait and see if the fishing was better in the summer.
well, if I still had an editor, he'd be furious this wasn't split into two, but let's move the conversation to this weird trade thread/preview monster I just published, please
https://dubnationhq.com/p/warriors-trade-kuminga-podz-for-porzingas
Why does the URL say Podz?? It was JK + Buddy, not Podz, right?
“…if I still had an editor” 😂
Porzingiz health: Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS) is a chronic, often debilitating, blood circulation and autonomic nervous system disorder characterized by an excessive heart rate increase (\(\ge 30\) bpm in adults, \(\ge 40\) bpm in teens) upon standing. Key symptoms include lightheadedness, fainting, brain fog, and severe fatigue, usually without a significant drop in blood pressure. Treatment includes increased water and salt intake, compression garments, and, in many cases, structured exercise.
Porzingis has appeared in only 17 games for the Hawks this season after playing just 42 out of 82 for the Celtics in his final season in Boston.
The Warriors hope to get Porzingis back healthy and productive for the stretch run. He hasn't played since Jan. 7, but team sources said they anticipate Porzingis will make his return soon after joining Golden State. The Warriors are 27-24 and currently eighth in the Western Conference.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/47834519/warriors-trading-jonathan-kuminga-buddy-hield-hawks-kristaps-porzingis
time to dust off the I Want To Believe sign?
He's way, way better than Kuminga/Hield, the trade off is that he has serious issues with his health.
I'll believe it when I see it.
He was suppose to play against the Heat yesterday but didn't because of an illness excuse. Could be the POTS flare up or an excuse because he was getting traded.
I am very happy Kuminga is not any more a Warriors player
At the same time, I wish the Warriors could've drafted better.
>>>[Fischer] Sources: After trading James Harden to Cleveland earlier this week, the Clippers have still been receiving calls on starting center Ivica Zubac, with the Indiana Pacers prime among his suitors.<<<
https://marcstein.substack.com/p/nba-trade-deadline-eve-live-buzz
>>>I'd keep an eye on the Warriors' potentially salary dumping Horford by the deadline tomorrow. Feels a little redundant to have him on the roster now with Porzingis and Post.
Would be good for them to get out of his $6M player option for next season.<<<
https://bsky.app/profile/gswcba.bsky.social/post/3me3ntwsxlk2s
> Would be good for them to get out of his $6M player option for next season.
Would it though? Are they going to get a better center?
Wouldn’t be crazy to expect Al to fall of a cliff at any moment performance-wise, but I think he’s been more than worth that salary this season and expect that to continue to be the case next
Yikes! Horford is someone I’d want next year too - even if Porzingis wakes up one day feeling great. Glad TJD is on a team that might play him. But we have no Looney and no TJD. Post is slowly getting there (starter level on playoff team) - but isn’t yet.
We need big Al.
"Redundant" feels odd... neither Horford nor Zinger could be expected to play enough to make a redundancy worth worrying about. A more likely rationale for trading Horford is that Warriors have decided to become sellers, and trading Horford could net a 2nd round pick or something...
@gswcba.bsky.social: [[ A look at the Warriors' cap sheet following both trades: 🔹Opened two roster spots
🔹Cut 25/26 total payroll by $26M (salary+tax)
🔹Cut 26/27 total payroll by $74M (salary+tax) ]]
@shamsbot.bsky.social: [[ The Warriors had Porzingis as a target for the last couple of months and land the floor-spacing big man. For the Hawks, a high-upside wing for Quin Snyder and a sharpshooter on the wings. ]]
This sounds like GSW thinks Porzingis will be healthy enough to play again in the NBA this year?
…?
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Room to sign Melton?
This is just like how Dray "texted" Bob about who to draft every year... this was the plan all along!
Honestly I hate it. After all that drama for years with Kuminga they’ve essentially traded his expiring contract and Buddy’s expiring (he had a small 3m guarantee but was essentially expiring) for an expiring attached to basically a basketball corpse. Porzingis is a theoretical basketball player now. It doesn’t matter about his skill set if he never plays.
Really hope there’s an endgame because what we’ve actually done is remove optionality over matching salary in the summer. If we’d just kept JK and Buddy we could either have waived them and saved money or guaranteed them and traded for another player.
Generally I try not to pan the front office because they tend to do a better job than most, but this is beyond underwhelming if it is the actual plan B.
Whoops!
From their perspective, they were going to pay 80M in luxury tax for a team that may drop out of playoff contention.
And the cost of that is to remove a bunch of options in the summer. This is them pulling the plug.
Yeah if there is any hope of contention in Curry's final years, they need to be maxing out the tax payments, not lowering them. This feels like basically waving the white flag on contention in his final years (which could be prudent, but not very exciting for fans).
If they are really pulling the plug, they should be trading Melton and Horford too.
Melton's only making $3 million this season.
Right, but unless this allows them to sign him next year, the Ws were facing the probability of losing him for nothing.
They may trade Horford. No way should they nor would they trade Melton. Theyre gonna try and re-sign in offseason
Melton is our draft pick cash cow. Get a pick in a trade and then he comes back in two seasons.
If Zinger actually plays, then it's defensible. If he doesn't, it's indefensibly useless.
Spoiler, he won’t play
Is it really a spoiler, tho?
lol. Only in that it’s spoiled my breakfast cereal.
This is worse than having to trade the no2 pick for five second rounders to get back a player you could have just re-signed.
Both high profile two timeline draft picks out in salary dumps. What an absolute fiasco.
True, but these past draft picks are sunk costs at this point. I'm just happy they didn't have to attach a pick to unload Kuminga for someone who wouldn't have improved the team much.
Jimmy Butler: 36 years old.
Stephen Curry: 37 years old.
Draymond Green: 35 years old.
Al Horford: 39 years old.
Porzingus: 30
Does anybody believe a team like this can go anywhere in the NBA???
“Anywhere” covers a lot of bases
no.
One of these really isn't like the others... you need to add a "illness aging +5 years" to Zinger, haha... sigh
Steph/Moody/Jimmy/Dray/Porzingis
Melton/Podz/Richard/Gui/Post
That's a really good team. Too bad we will never see it.
Porzingis has been the 11th best player in the league this year according to EPM. Giving the Warriors 3 of the top 14. Stupid injuries.
They give KP a tryout this year and if it's a good fit, maybe they can sign him on the cheap next year. A lineup with Steph, Dray, Moody, JB, and KP, if healthy, could be pretty darn good. And Dubs would keep their draft picks.
Plus, he'll be in a stable with Post/Horford which will limit his minutes and keep him healthy. It'd be nice to have a trio of shooting bigs.
Freeing up some cash to pay Melton.
Losing Jimmy, and then Steph going down with an issue that's probably gonna keep rearing its head the rest of the season really did suck the life out of the team, huh...
A part of me feels like the Warriors are punting the season thanks to the injuries to our two best players.
TJD's time as a Dub was quite disappointing. He started out great but never showed any real improvement as his shooting near the bucket got worse and he didn't improve from the foul line. Guess that's the downside of drafting a 4-year college player.
This was fun
https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/BNG-L-WARRIORS-1220-17.jpg?w=423
As the 55th pick though? Id say he exceeded expectations after that first year AND pretty much met them the rest of the way. If anything id say weve done a heck of a job drafting in the second round lately to where TJD seems like a disappointment
IIRC, Dubs made it known that they'd be willing to give him a multi-year guarantee which scared other teams from drafting him earlier
I, for one, hope TJD gets a TON of minutes and comes back and kicks our butts twice a year
Can we please wish him a TON of minutes and lots of success and comes back and we kick his butt twice a year instead?
>>>[Charania] The New York Knicks are trading Guerschon Yabusele to the Chicago Bulls for Dalen Terry.<<<
https://www.threads.com/@shams/post/DUXT4QgjcUZ?xmt=AQF0mQxzPosxpu97iLacqtISolNmntqW8pHcAsrDVftbGMvVnGwrpUIxy1Hbw86BYM42o63T&slof=1
Giannis ($54.1 million) + Thanasis ($2.3 million) = $56.4 million
Porzingis ($30.7 million) + Dray ($25.9 million) = $56.6 million
Are we sure the Dubs are done yet?
It's hard to take the denials of trade activity at face value this late in the game
Its definitely a legit possibility.
While I think that keeping Porzingis is a smart gamble as well, trading him for Giannis could be a solid move too.
Pretty sure the Bucks want to get off the Kuzma contract in the process
And I bet that was a big sticking point. We'll give you Giannis, but you have to give us literally every pick and swap available, and you gotta give us every young player, yes, even that Richard guy, and you also have to take all our bad contracts too.
Well that would save the Bucks a lot of money when KP's contract expires this summer (and Draymond the summer after unless bought out). But it would leave them with no assets for Giannis, and if they're rebuilding, that doesn't seem wise.
Dubs would probably throw in all 4 FRPs
True. I guess it depends on what the Bucks really want. We read that they wanted a really good young player plus picks but we can't know whether that's their real expectation. Could be.
I think aging and increasingly injured Steph + increasingly injured Giannis (even if great when they play) with aging and oft-injured Butler coming off an ACL partway through the year and no Draymond, along with our current supporting cast, is no better than an expensive 6th seed and maybe not that.
And without those picks, we're going to really not be happy in a couple of years.
lets hope you are on to something!
>>>[Charania] The Golden State Warriors have officially ended their pursuit of Giannis Antetokounmpo. Golden State was of the belief that Milwaukee is not serious about trading their 2x MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo at the deadline.<<<
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1qwc9k1/charania_the_golden_state_warriors_have/
I don't think the Bucks were going to trade Giannis until the offseason. They just used the Warriors as leverage and nothing more.
Noooo. I still want him on the move by tomorrow whether it's to Miami or Minnesota. I don't think I can stomach the possibility of the Lakers or OKC landing him in the offseason.
Did they not have conversations with giannis to feel this out?
Wild
I mean Kawhi didn’t want to go to Toronto. He ended up netting them a championship
They probably did have multiple conversations. That doesn't mean they could close a deal now that they liked and that would send Giannis someplace he wanted to go.
If they aren't trading Giannis then they leveraged the Warriors for nothing.
MIL went fishing to see what was out there because you don't know until you try. Ultimately they decided to wait and see if the fishing was better in the summer.
they sure screwed around with the Dubs fans expectations!
Screwing around with dubs fans is ok, but unfortunately screwing with Draymonds mindset could be permanent damage.
draymond has screwed around the Dubs more than enough!