I don’t think La Ravia is the best player in this tournament, but he’s the one that I’d be most excited about falling to us at 28. It a) seems actually possible and b) seems like he would
fit well in kerrball. A future lineup of Poole/moody/LaRavia/kuminga/wiseman seems pretty well rounded.
Yeah, assuming Liddell and Jalen Williams are gone, I think Laravia is best fit who's got a real chance to be there. I'd have him above Braun and Wendell Moore.
If the draft prognosticators consensus is correct we'll ultimately be picking from: Baldwin, McGowens, Houstan, Wendell Moore, Koloko, Kendall Brown, Nembhard, Roddy, Keels, Rollins, and Braun.
Of that group it seems like DNHQ likes Moore the best; I think I would have a tough time picking between Braun and Brown, funnily enough (fyi Braun is pronounced "Brown").
I would be initially disappointed with quite a few of those picks, but as we know: In Bob we trust.
Liddell seems like the perfect mini draymond, but I've lost hope in finding another draymond because the reason hes as good as he is, is from crazy defensive instincts, crazy core strength,
crazy wingspan and his hate it or love it mentality which honestly wont work for other players because he has earned that through many years of working the refs.
Give me a person with good size 6'5-6'7 with high shot creating potential and good defensive instincts for our pick, seems like there is a couple that might be there around our range
It seems like a couple are in these tournaments honestly, all the prospects seem good. Even Liddell has better defensive grant William's potential it seems. Who was a big piece of there run until they ran into curry lol
Liddell. He looks pudgy, and will lose 10 pounds playing for the Warriors, making him quicker. OTOH, carrying that extra weight for a few years will make him stronger and less injury-prone. I like Williams, too.
Warriors going to trade pick. They don't need another project this year.
Ghost asked about our irrational good feeling guys in the draft. I really like watching Trevion Williams highlights. I just have to believe there is a place in the NBA for a big guy like this, the funnest passer in the draft.
Drafting in the late 20's in a nutshell: 10+ minutes of ridiculous playmaking and other highly-skilled moves, followed by several minutes of bricking free throws and blow-bys on defense.
12 years ago Greg Monroe went 7th in the NBA Draft, now this guy might not even get drafted. What a shift.
Could be an interesting second round pick two-way candidate for the Warriors. Was actually also thinking they should invite Monroe to training camp too.
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FWIW, I took the aggregated data set from hoopshype and averaged the high and low estimates and these are the guys within 5 slots of where the Warriors will pick:
Nikola Jovic,20,26,23
Blake Wesley,16,33,24.5
EJ Liddell,18,34,26
Jaden Hardy,20,36,28
Dalen Terry,17,39,28
MarJon Beauchamp ,21,38,29.5
Kennedy Chandler,22,38,30
Jake LaRavia,20,41,30.5
Patrick Baldwin,20,42,31
Kendall Brown,21,42,31.5
Bryce McGowens,22,44,33
Walker Kessler,19,48,33.5
Pretty much the guys we have talked about which isn't surprising as Apricot did something similar to create the pools. A couple of points though
1) Nobody thinks Jalen Williams is going to fall to the Warriors at 28. The latest anybody has him going is 22 and there isn't much variance.
2) The spread is closest for Jovic which is really surprising to me as he is probably the one player in the top 30 that the "experts" know the least about.
3) All of them except Kendall Brown, Beahchamp, Chandler, and McGowens have convinced at least one person they are going to be picked in the top 20.
I really think Apricot should DQ Williams as it seems unlikely he will fall to 28 when the latest anybody has him going is 22. That might allow him to make his deadline.
It’s okay, the point of this tournament is to give us all an excuse to learn about the prospects so we have some knowledge and emotional investment when the draft unfolds on Thursday. We are not at all likely to predict the actual #28 pick…
I’m honestly expecting to get hyped up that 2-3 of our guys are falling pick by pick to #28 … and then GSW announces a trade of the pick for some protected 2025 pick
One thing that is nice about this draft is that most of the top prospects are PF type players. A position that is about as unlikely to produce the top player of a championship team as possible. For some reason I feel like the Warriors will try to trade out into the second round but it would be great to see them pick up some wing talent at a more important position later in the draft.
This draft very much feels like the bad teams are unfortunately going to take useless players and the good teams will get the positive position players.
If Liddell and Williams are equal quality overall, I take Liddell because I think Draymond is going to be the first domino to fall from the core group and doesn't really have a replacement waiting in the wings. This is why I picked him. However, I understand the Paschall fool me once concerns.
Don't you think Kuminga's natural position is PF? I feel like Williams would be a better fit as a 2/3/4 than Liddell who's basically a straight up 4. People talk about Liddell playing small-ball 5, but it's kinda hard for me to imagine with his guard-like standing reach...
Will Liddell give you anything in the NBA on offense? 35% 3pt shooter maaaayyyybee and what else? A post game? He won’t get scoring touches in the paint for post ups, especially with the dubs. 2019 Finals made me never want to see the warriors lack shooting ever again.
I’d rather take a flier on Williams, Moore or Laravia.
Sure. He can hit 3's. Run the short roll on O. Score in the post against mismatches. His shooting numbers are basically as good as anyone in this group.
Sub average 3P shooter isn’t his best case. Right around average give or take is probably what you'd expect with better outcomes for sure.
Again he’s got about the same shooting profile as everyone in this group. The differences are marginal. He scored the most points/game. He’s the best defensive prospect easily. So if he worries you then the other guys should terrify you.
I wanted to disagree too, but he's right, Liddell's shooting numbers are basically as good as anyone else in this group. Below average 3 point shooting probably plays better at the 4 than on the wing...
I think that’s exactly it: aside from the generally inconsistent success rate of the 28th pick in the draft, none of these guys can be considered a sure thing.
I REALLY like Williams too and would be very happy if we got him, but you’d have a hard time convincing me that he’s more of a sure thing as a shooter than Liddell based solely on what we know now. 🤷🏾♂️
Confirmed, it’s in the first article of the Draft Tourney. These workout lists are just scraped together, the teams don’t usually release names (in fact most teams keep the workouts secret)
Jordan Hall is a really interesting round 2 prospect. He’s like a smaller version of Kyle Anderson. Could play a Shaun Livingston style backup PG. solid all around game. Verrrry sllllllooooowwww
Juzang in the second round as the non-stash, playing on a two-way? Could help sell tickets to Bruin alums and provide entertainment in garbage time. Lacob has a degree from UCLA.
As a UCLA alum who watched the games, I just don't think Juzang is cut out for the NBA. Lost in all those tough shots he was hitting in that magical tourney run was that he was not creating easy shots and perhaps had some iffy shot selection (although it looks good when they go in). Defensively he's not that good either imo.
Jaquez from UCLA is tight but he went back to school so maybe next year.
I don’t think La Ravia is the best player in this tournament, but he’s the one that I’d be most excited about falling to us at 28. It a) seems actually possible and b) seems like he would
fit well in kerrball. A future lineup of Poole/moody/LaRavia/kuminga/wiseman seems pretty well rounded.
Yeah, assuming Liddell and Jalen Williams are gone, I think Laravia is best fit who's got a real chance to be there. I'd have him above Braun and Wendell Moore.
If the draft prognosticators consensus is correct we'll ultimately be picking from: Baldwin, McGowens, Houstan, Wendell Moore, Koloko, Kendall Brown, Nembhard, Roddy, Keels, Rollins, and Braun.
Of that group it seems like DNHQ likes Moore the best; I think I would have a tough time picking between Braun and Brown, funnily enough (fyi Braun is pronounced "Brown").
I would be initially disappointed with quite a few of those picks, but as we know: In Bob we trust.
According to this https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2022-nba-mock-draft/
- Jalen Williams rises into the lottery
- 20-27 are the rest of our top prospects: Jovic, Terry, Liddell, Beauchamp, LaRavia, Hardy, Wesley, Brown
- Koloko, Braun, Moore, Nembhard, Kessler, Baldwin slip to the second round
- We take Gabriele Procida out of Italy to pair with Marinara Mamba and ensure our ability to field an all-Azzurri backcourt of the future
Liddell seems like the perfect mini draymond, but I've lost hope in finding another draymond because the reason hes as good as he is, is from crazy defensive instincts, crazy core strength,
crazy wingspan and his hate it or love it mentality which honestly wont work for other players because he has earned that through many years of working the refs.
Give me a person with good size 6'5-6'7 with high shot creating potential and good defensive instincts for our pick, seems like there is a couple that might be there around our range
There’s a whole bunch of articles with specific prospects with video and scouting reports. Maybe you can find someone like that in there
It seems like a couple are in these tournaments honestly, all the prospects seem good. Even Liddell has better defensive grant William's potential it seems. Who was a big piece of there run until they ran into curry lol
Liddell
Can the Warriors keep the kids of players thing going and take O’Neal with a second rounder?
Ron Harper Jr maybe?
Scottie Pippen Jr is in this class as well, I think
Liddell. He looks pudgy, and will lose 10 pounds playing for the Warriors, making him quicker. OTOH, carrying that extra weight for a few years will make him stronger and less injury-prone. I like Williams, too.
Warriors going to trade pick. They don't need another project this year.
“Fat is potential in disguise”
Here's our guys in order of potential:
Kessler
Keels
Liddell
Roddy
LaRavia
Jalen Williams
Wendell Moore
Jovic
Braun
Koloko
Terry
McGowens
Beauchamp
Brown
Nembhard
Apparently the Athletic still has Jovic to GSW?
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-mock-draft-2022-who-warriors-pegged-take-no-28-pick
Ghost asked about our irrational good feeling guys in the draft. I really like watching Trevion Williams highlights. I just have to believe there is a place in the NBA for a big guy like this, the funnest passer in the draft.
https://youtu.be/Jdby3kRv__s
Nice...didn't like that he seemed to admire his passes instead of getting after boxouts but that wouldn't linger with Draymond as a mentor.
Yeah, Williams is mine, too. I think I mentioned him a while ago in some thread. I would really like to take him with one of the 2nd round picks.
Drafting in the late 20's in a nutshell: 10+ minutes of ridiculous playmaking and other highly-skilled moves, followed by several minutes of bricking free throws and blow-bys on defense.
I’d never use #28 on him but #51 for sure
oops yeah, of course
My reaction log while watching the vid:
* Wow those are some amazing passes... but can he do anything else?
* Oh nice little righty hook... and a little fake shoulder move... but it's only going to work if...
* Oh. A spin to the baseline... nice. Up and under? Whoa.
* WTF is that turnaround jumper?
* He can put it on the floor too? Impressive. And a floater??
* My goodness... that jab/crossover... how big is this guy again?
* @ 7:25 mark -- what in the world did I just watch??
12 years ago Greg Monroe went 7th in the NBA Draft, now this guy might not even get drafted. What a shift.
Could be an interesting second round pick two-way candidate for the Warriors. Was actually also thinking they should invite Monroe to training camp too.
If Jalen Williams is still around at 28 then I know a lot less about scouting basketball than I though I did, but Jalen Williams
He seems much more likely to be a lotto pick than to slide to #28.
Yep. Jalen.
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Thanks for putting it together! It’s fun to get this view in addition to the bracket style tourney
No prob 😊
I think it’s a great wrap up to the Tourney. Before the Tourney I wouldn’t have a Big Board but now I have opinions
Agreed! I woulda had no idea what do with these guys
That is so cool!
I tried to submit my vote, but it said “something is wrong :(“…
Fixed! sorry about that!
forgot to test with the new URL 🤦♂️
Nooo
Same. @void looks like a CORS issue
Fixed! sorry about that!
Moore for me. What happened to the group E guys?
group E guys are disqualified because twitter won't allow 5 option polls :(
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We’ll be going nonstop through the end of Summer League in July, and then I think go to a 3-4 days a week format until Media Day
Eric Apricot:
+ Elite explainer
+ Unparalleled dedication to his craft
+ "Has that dog in [his profile pic]"
+ Elite (Draft) Pick and Poll game
FWIW, I took the aggregated data set from hoopshype and averaged the high and low estimates and these are the guys within 5 slots of where the Warriors will pick:
Nikola Jovic,20,26,23
Blake Wesley,16,33,24.5
EJ Liddell,18,34,26
Jaden Hardy,20,36,28
Dalen Terry,17,39,28
MarJon Beauchamp ,21,38,29.5
Kennedy Chandler,22,38,30
Jake LaRavia,20,41,30.5
Patrick Baldwin,20,42,31
Kendall Brown,21,42,31.5
Bryce McGowens,22,44,33
Walker Kessler,19,48,33.5
Pretty much the guys we have talked about which isn't surprising as Apricot did something similar to create the pools. A couple of points though
1) Nobody thinks Jalen Williams is going to fall to the Warriors at 28. The latest anybody has him going is 22 and there isn't much variance.
2) The spread is closest for Jovic which is really surprising to me as he is probably the one player in the top 30 that the "experts" know the least about.
3) All of them except Kendall Brown, Beahchamp, Chandler, and McGowens have convinced at least one person they are going to be picked in the top 20.
I really think Apricot should DQ Williams as it seems unlikely he will fall to 28 when the latest anybody has him going is 22. That might allow him to make his deadline.
It’s okay, the point of this tournament is to give us all an excuse to learn about the prospects so we have some knowledge and emotional investment when the draft unfolds on Thursday. We are not at all likely to predict the actual #28 pick…
And like you said, someone's bound to fall!
I'd take Williams if he's there. Hey, who here really thought that Moody would still be there for us at 14 last year? Not I.
I’m honestly expecting to get hyped up that 2-3 of our guys are falling pick by pick to #28 … and then GSW announces a trade of the pick for some protected 2025 pick
lol I hope not 🥲
Current vote is annoyingly close for those of us trying to pre-write tomorrow's piece:
Braun 16%
Liddell 34.6%
Williams 35.3%
Moore 14%
One thing that is nice about this draft is that most of the top prospects are PF type players. A position that is about as unlikely to produce the top player of a championship team as possible. For some reason I feel like the Warriors will try to trade out into the second round but it would be great to see them pick up some wing talent at a more important position later in the draft.
This draft very much feels like the bad teams are unfortunately going to take useless players and the good teams will get the positive position players.
If Liddell and Williams are equal quality overall, I take Liddell because I think Draymond is going to be the first domino to fall from the core group and doesn't really have a replacement waiting in the wings. This is why I picked him. However, I understand the Paschall fool me once concerns.
Don't you think Kuminga's natural position is PF? I feel like Williams would be a better fit as a 2/3/4 than Liddell who's basically a straight up 4. People talk about Liddell playing small-ball 5, but it's kinda hard for me to imagine with his guard-like standing reach...
8'10 is guard-like? Dude may not be mega-long, but his wingspan is several inches beyond his height.
I do hear you on Kuminga, though.
8'10" is solid for a power forward, but Liddell's standing reach is 8'7.5"
Will Liddell give you anything in the NBA on offense? 35% 3pt shooter maaaayyyybee and what else? A post game? He won’t get scoring touches in the paint for post ups, especially with the dubs. 2019 Finals made me never want to see the warriors lack shooting ever again.
I’d rather take a flier on Williams, Moore or Laravia.
Sure. He can hit 3's. Run the short roll on O. Score in the post against mismatches. His shooting numbers are basically as good as anyone in this group.
Idk man… best case as a shooter looks like sub-average three point shooter (league average was what, 36% this past year)?
PnR handler? 80 assists to 77 TOs this year… not sure that’ll get better in the NBA.
Post scoring is already yucky, and he def should not be killing the warriors offense with FGAs like that.
Seems like a sub par 3+D guy to me. No thanks, I’d rather take a swing at someone with more potential.
Sub average 3P shooter isn’t his best case. Right around average give or take is probably what you'd expect with better outcomes for sure.
Again he’s got about the same shooting profile as everyone in this group. The differences are marginal. He scored the most points/game. He’s the best defensive prospect easily. So if he worries you then the other guys should terrify you.
I wanted to disagree too, but he's right, Liddell's shooting numbers are basically as good as anyone else in this group. Below average 3 point shooting probably plays better at the 4 than on the wing...
I think that’s exactly it: aside from the generally inconsistent success rate of the 28th pick in the draft, none of these guys can be considered a sure thing.
I REALLY like Williams too and would be very happy if we got him, but you’d have a hard time convincing me that he’s more of a sure thing as a shooter than Liddell based solely on what we know now. 🤷🏾♂️
Has GSW worked out any of these finalists? Please do not answer..yes!
Vote Braun, as he might actually be available.
Found it: Justin Bean, Utah State
Keion Brooks, Kentucky
Collin Gillespie, Villanova
Jordan Hall, Saint Joseph’s
Jaden Hardy, NBA G League Ignite
Johnny Juzang, UCLA
Hyunjung Lee, Davidson
Jake LaRavia, Wake Forest
E.J. Liddell, Ohio State
Alex Morales, Wagner
Lester Quinones, Memphis
Payton Willis, Minnesota
https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nba-draft-workout-tracker-prospects/
I definitely remember seeing something on Twitter showing Koloko came to the Bay and worked out with the Warriors.
Confirmed, it’s in the first article of the Draft Tourney. These workout lists are just scraped together, the teams don’t usually release names (in fact most teams keep the workouts secret)
Ah ok. Yeah make sense.
And I guess compared to the last couple years, it's easier to hide your workouts when you aren't dealing with lotto picks heh
Conclusion: the Warriors only worked out guy in this DNHQ final vote.
Jordan Hall is a really interesting round 2 prospect. He’s like a smaller version of Kyle Anderson. Could play a Shaun Livingston style backup PG. solid all around game. Verrrry sllllllooooowwww
Juzang in the second round as the non-stash, playing on a two-way? Could help sell tickets to Bruin alums and provide entertainment in garbage time. Lacob has a degree from UCLA.
As a UCLA alum who watched the games, I just don't think Juzang is cut out for the NBA. Lost in all those tough shots he was hitting in that magical tourney run was that he was not creating easy shots and perhaps had some iffy shot selection (although it looks good when they go in). Defensively he's not that good either imo.
Jaquez from UCLA is tight but he went back to school so maybe next year.
Source?